How much has one start changed your opinion on Aaron Sanchez?

[Laika]

His change is a work in progress. But the good thing is that apparently him and STRO are good friends and he's been helping sanchez out as much as he can. The thing for me is that Sanchez throw strikes consistently with his fastball and that he mixes in his curve and change quite a bit more. I've seen him hit hard a few times simply because he's throwing that fastball way too often. But I've chirped it over and over again that when Aaron keeps his walk rate down, his stuff is more than good enough to keep his team I games and throw quality starts.

 

But what I'm aching to see is the confidence and hopefully that comes with consistency with his secondary pitches. I'm one of the few here who thinks he has the ceiling to be an ace and a full year experience with STRO by his side can go a long way to giving him the foundation he needs to start down that road. He's 23 and if he develops the way I think he's going to, the combo of him STRO and Estrada can be pretty f***ing devastating, especially come playoff time.

 

Just call him Stroman you dink

[Spanky99]

Just call him Stroman you dink

 

lol

[93 Jays]

It's my nickname for him you willnot, don't let it ruin your day

[Boxcar]

It's my nickname for him you willnot, don't let it ruin your day

 

I don't think all caps is respectful enough. You gotta eliminate vowels as well for ultimate respect, like YHWH. STR.

[Laika]

Sanchez is WILD tonight.

 

Not the same dude!

 

Looking forward to seeing his updated Steamer projection after he walks 8

[Laika]

He can't even throw it in the general vicinity of his shortstop, lol.

 

There's the 10th bounced curveball.

[Boxcar]

He can't even throw it in the general vicinity of his shortstop, lol.

 

There's the 10th bounced curveball.

 

I don't understand why he's going back to the 12-6.

[Laika]

I don't understand why he's going back to the 12-6.

 

I doubt it's a conscious decision. He probably just doesn't have a consistent release point, or something like that.

[Boxcar]

I doubt it's a conscious decision. He probably just doesn't have a consistent release point, or something like that.

 

I don't buy that. You need to do more than have a consistent release point or whatever it is that you're selling.

[Laika]

I don't buy that. You need to do more than have a consistent release point or whatever it is that you're selling.

 

How many truly unique and good looking curveballs did we really see against Tampa, aside from the strikeout pitch to Longoria? Maybe it was more fluke than anything.

 

Need to wait and see. It's possible that he's tried to segregate the thing into two pitches - 12-6 against lefties and slurve against righties?

 

They'll whip out the CH now I think.

[Laika]

Still haven't learned much this start. So far it's a step back if it's anything.

 

No noticeable CH yet; CB looks like the old useless rainbow most of the time; command of the FB has been come and go.

[JaysFan75]

BABIP luck

[Jimcanuck]

Still haven't learned much this start. So far it's a step back if it's anything.

 

No noticeable CH yet; CB looks like the old useless rainbow most of the time; command of the FB has been come and go.

 

We've learned his floor is a MLB calibre starter. Doesn't have his best stuff, still getting the job done.

 

Whether he becomes an ace or not is all left to be learned.

[Laika]

We've learned his floor is a MLB calibre starter. Doesn't have his best stuff, still getting the job done.

 

Whether he becomes an ace or not is all left to be learned.

 

No, his floor is --> elbow blows up from terrible mechanics, spends life on the DL, STRO eventually stops even texting him.

 

How did you get off my ignore list, anyway? Message board elves f***ing around again?

[Jimcanuck]

No, his floor is --> elbow blows up from terrible mechanics, spends life on the DL, STRO eventually stops even texting him.

 

How did you get off my ignore list, anyway? Message board elves f***ing around again?

 

You have no cred left.

[Krylian]

No, his floor is --> elbow blows up from terrible mechanics, spends life on the DL, STRO eventually stops even texting him.

 

How did you get off my ignore list, anyway? Message board elves f***ing around again?

 

Everyone's floor is, nuclear bomb takes out the world. No more baseball.

[Laika]

Everyone's floor is, nuclear bomb takes out the world. No more baseball.

 

I like the way you think.

[nmrch]

We've learned his floor is a MLB calibre starter. Doesn't have his best stuff, still getting the job done.

 

Whether he becomes an ace or not is all left to be learned.

 

The only thing that i can say for sure is Sanchez appears to have improved his fastball. There's still a lot of question marks, neither the curveball nor the changeup is a consistent swing and a miss pitch nor does he have the command to throw them for called strikes.

[Boxcar]

You have no cred left.

 

Do you think NJH should be arrested for implying that you're a s***** poster?

[_Nox_]

We've learned his floor is a MLB calibre starter. Doesn't have his best stuff, still getting the job done.

 

Whether he becomes an ace or not is all left to be learned.

 

Literally the first thing I read on this board in weeks.

 

Never change Jimmy C, never change.

[RealAccountant]

The only thing that i can say for sure is Sanchez appears to have improved his fastball. There's still a lot of question marks, neither the curveball nor the changeup is a consistent swing and a miss pitch nor does he have the command to throw them for called strikes.

 

Didnt watch game today right :-), just read the box score and formed an opinion.

[nmrch]

Didnt watch game today right :-), just read the box score and formed an opinion.

 

I did(and am watching) watch the game and formed an opinion, apparently different from yours.

[Laika]

Only 7 whiffs tonight. Not good enough. He was basically old Sanchie + some BABIP luck.

[o2cui2i]

Only 7 whiffs tonight. Not good enough. He was basically old Sanchie + some BABIP luck.

 

That's not entirely fair when the ump had a strike zone you couldn't s*** through if you forced your butt against it for the first half of the game. you can't exactly pitch to the edge when the ump is an imbecile.

[saskjayfan]

Only 7 whiffs tonight. Not good enough. He was basically old Sanchie + some BABIP luck.

 

Sanchez should be traded now!

[Stangstag]

That's not entirely fair when the ump had a strike zone you couldn't s*** through if you forced your butt against it for the first half of the game. you can't exactly pitch to the edge when the ump is an imbecile.

 

Amazing

[Cyborg]

I actually thought this start was very encouraging considering it was against 7 LHBs and a lineup that was very good against RHP last year.

Rays lineup was mostly LHB as well.

[BTS]

Rays lineup was mostly LHB as well.

 

The Rays LHH suck a big bag of dicks though.

[Cyborg]

Sanchie greatly under-utilized the change today. Only threw 7 of them and got 2 whiffs. Swing rate on curves was pretty bad too. No idea why he was using it over the change.

[THANOS]

Sanchie greatly under-utilized the change today. Only threw 7 of them and got 2 whiffs. Swing rate on curves was pretty bad too. No idea why he was using it over the change.

 

A combination of Martin's game calling, the awful strike zone, and Sanchez' control/velocity issues in this start.