General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[King]

Upton has really looked bad at the plate. I remember him playing against the Blue Jays when he was with Tampa and he seemed like a good hitter. What's up with Upton?

 

Here is tonight's lineup:

 

 

Alcides Escobar leading off, is beyond stupid, still.

[art_vandelay275]

anybody know when morales hearing is scheduled for?

[Jonn]

Alcides Escobar leading off, is beyond stupid, still.

 

Until he goes 10-17 against us per usual.

[fatcowxlive]

Alcides Escobar leading off, is beyond stupid, still.

 

ALCS** Escobar, you mean

 

Good to see Donaldson get a half day off, we get to also see Upton gets some reps in center too! One of our strongest lineups put out

[Jonn]

Upton finally gets to face a lefty tomorrow and its Danny Duffy. f*** off.

[jays_fever]

Just realized how awful Alex Gordon has been this year

[Jonn]

Just realized how awful Alex Gordon has been this year

 

Hes been hurt though.

[fatcowxlive]

anybody know when morales hearing is scheduled for?

 

what hearing?

[Grant77]

what hearing?

 

He pulled a Bobby Valentine and got himself suspended.

[closetjaysfan]

Im really excited to see this suanders guy

[fatcowxlive]

He pulled a Bobby Valentine and got himself suspended.

 

Oh I thought it was Franklin Morales lmao

[burlingtonbandit]

Upton finally gets to face a lefty tomorrow and its Danny Duffy. f*** off.

 

Wonder if he can keep up his impressive whiff rate of 30.4%. Think about that for a second. He's swung and missed at almost a third of the pitches he's seen.

[Maahfaace]

Wonder if he can keep up his impressive whiff rate of 30.4%. Think about that for a second. He's swung and missed at almost a third of the pitches he's seen.

 

Melvin is sporting a -34 wRC+ and -0.3 WAR in a Jays uniform......

[Orgfiller]

Wonder if he can keep up his impressive whiff rate of 30.4%. Think about that for a second. He's swung and missed at almost a third of the pitches he's seen.

 

Melvin is sporting a -34 wRC+ and -0.3 WAR in a Jays uniform......

 

It's been less than 10 games, pretty much exclusively playing against RHP.

 

Are you guys even trying?

[flafson]

It's been less than 10 games, pretty much exclusively playing against RHP.

 

Are you guys even trying?

 

So you think he will look less awful in a bigger sample size?

Right now he looks like Smoak and Goins in a single batter.

[BigCecil]

It's been less than 10 games, pretty much exclusively playing against RHP.

 

Are you guys even trying?

 

Upton is going to suck against RHP regardless. We just haven't faced LHP to get him in the right position to add value. In a perfect world he plays against LHP and is a late inning D replacement for our walking dead OFs on the corners.

[nextyear]

So you think he will look less awful in a bigger sample size?

Right now he looks like Smoak and Goins in a single batter.

 

 

Good description. One difference is that when Smoak swings and misses he takes a mighty swing. Upton's swings look so weak.

[vilifyingforce]

Looking at his talent instead of his numbers isn't nonsensical. The Astros would trade us Alex Bergman for a PTBNL now if that were the case.

 

We saw him with excellent command in the bullpen and it should have been obvious to everyone that he was just a small mechanical adjustment away.

 

Instead of admitting that you were unable to evaluate this properly, you pretend that he made this magical transformation. It's always that way when stat scouts are wrong.

 

That's a pretty terrible example.

[Grant77]

That's a pretty terrible example.

 

You can easily see the talent in some young players even if the numbers don't immediately show it. Use whatever example you wish, but Bergman was fresh in my mind.

[vilifyingforce]

You can easily see the talent in some young players even if the numbers don't immediately show it. Use whatever example you wish, but Bergman was fresh in my mind.

 

You can easily see Bregman's talent by looking at his milb numbers and being aware he's 22. And while talent is king,(and to steal a hockey metaphor) all the tools and no toolbox players still exist. Stats bring value to scouting and so does having eyes on a person. Anybody wanting to do one without the other is not going to run a good MLB org. Not that any of us here ever will lol.

[Grant77]

You can easily see Bregman's talent by looking at his milb numbers and being aware he's 22. And while talent is king,(and to steal a hockey metaphor) all the tools and no toolbox players still exist. Stats bring value to scouting and so does having eyes on a person. Anybody wanting to do one without the other is not going to run a good MLB org. Not that any of us here ever will lol.

 

I agree completely. The issue I have with many on this forum is that they believe they can evaluate players using only stats. I've always been the biggest proponent of the balanced approach.

[BTS]

So you think he will look less awful in a bigger sample size?

Right now he looks like Smoak and Goins in a single batter.

 

Yes, he will most likely look less awful than the -4.8 fWAR pace he's on.

[Belliss101]

Yes, he will most likely look less awful than the -4.8 fWAR pace he's on.

 

Not to mention, struggling vets come to Toronto to be reformed!

 

Just ask Benoit, Grilli, Liriano (ifast night's start is any indication)

[KingKat]

Upton is going to suck against RHP regardless. We just haven't faced LHP to get him in the right position to add value. In a perfect world he plays against LHP and is a late inning D replacement for our walking dead OFs on the corners.

 

Yeah all this does is support what Cyborg was saying about his viability as an everyday guy. He's a platoon guy and a quality defensive replacement and he's not making a case for an expanded role next year.

[BigCecil]

Yeah all this does is support what Cyborg was saying about his viability as an everyday guy. He's a platoon guy and a quality defensive replacement and he's not making a case for an expanded role next year.

 

Yup. I still love the deal and think he will play a valuable role for us in the home stretch and playoffs if we get there. He is going to hit a few bombs along the way, and I like that he could give Pillar a day off in CF.

[Grant77]

Yeah all this does is support what Cyborg was saying about his viability as an everyday guy. He's a platoon guy and a quality defensive replacement and he's not making a case for an expanded role next year.

 

Did anyone in their right mind actually think he should be an everyday player for us?

[HERPDERP]

Not feeling too good about tonight or tomorrow. Not about the game, but about the inevitable injuries and suspensions. The Jays will surely protect Donaldson, and Ventura will continue to be a ********

[BigCecil]

Not feeling too good about tonight or tomorrow. Not about the game, but about the inevitable injuries and suspensions. The Jays will surely protect Donaldson, and Ventura will continue to be a ********

 

Have my doubts. Wasn't that a change up to JD? Ventura is an idiot and the whole league knows it. I hope the Jays don't sink to his level. We got bigger fish to fry than that punk. Just hammer him.

[BigCecil]

Did anyone in their right mind actually think he should be an everyday player for us?

 

Casuals.

[nextyear]

Did anyone in their right mind actually think he should be an everyday player for us?

 

I wasn't sure, but I thought that we would see the Upton that played for Tampa Bay. At least I expected him to be as good a hitter as Darwin Barney, instead he is making Josh Thole look like a productive hitter.

 

I am still hoping that Upton can get back on track.

 

Upton was an everyday player for several years but there isn't an everyday opening in Toronto, so the answer is no, however we can expect him to perform like an everyday player.