Edwin not happy with term on Jays offer

[Spanky99]

Wasn't our number posted at 97 wins? Or some cracked up s***.

[Spanky99]

One thing that concerns me though when was the last time Edwin made it through a season without an injury?

 

How many players do?

[gbill2004]

It's been confirmed that the Jays offered Edwin a 2 year deal.

[Jimcanuck]

It's been confirmed that the Jays offered Edwin a 2 year deal.

 

dumb to offer a deal they know has no chance of being accepted

[THANOS]

dumb to offer a deal they know has no chance of being accepted

 

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Remember the David Price situation?

[Daniel Labude]

It's clear the new regime is focused on getting younger while still competing. Building the system through prospects. If it works it can save money for big time FAs, but following last year it's probably not the best approach to take right away.

[nonamejays]

Realistically, the team should sign one of them to a 3-4 year deal.

 

Alford/Pompey should be able to take over RF next year full time, allowing them to shift Jose to DH or to retain EE.

 

I don't think they should necessarily keep both, but it would be a gut punch to the fan base to have one of the two fan favourites go.

[RealAccountant]

Wow 2 years what an insult

[burlingtonbandit]

Realistically, the team should sign one of them to a 3-4 year deal.

 

Alford/Pompey should be able to take over RF next year full time, allowing them to shift Jose to DH or to retain EE.

 

I don't think they should necessarily keep both, but it would be a gut punch to the fan base to have one of the two fan favourites go.

 

You have to do whats best for the team not the fans. People complained about letting Melky Cabrera go and look how that worked out.

[Jonn]

You have to do whats best for the team not the fans. People complained about letting Melky Cabrera go and look how that worked out.

 

I don't think Melky is a good comparison. Were talking about 2 elite bats.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't think Melky is a good comparison. Were talking about 2 elite bats.

 

Wasn't trying to compare the players just that you shouldn't make a move based on the fans because what the fans want isn't always what's best for the team.

[Praxis]

Screw Edwin and his contract demands. And Bautista. And Price. And every other elite free agent pitcher/position player. And let Tulo demand a trade if they all leave.

 

Screw 'em all I say and build slowly through the draft, prospects and unspectacular free agent signings; the casuals are wrong - WAR and OPS say so, not to mention Roger's shareholders.

 

And in five years time we might be close to where we were 6 months ago.

[Grant77]

Screw Edwin and his contract demands. And Bautista. And Price. And every other elite free agent pitcher/position player. And let Tulo demand a trade if they all leave.

 

Screw 'em all I say and build slowly through the draft, prospects and unspectacular free agent signings; the casuals are wrong - WAR and OPS say so, not to mention Roger's shareholders.

 

And in five years time we might be close to where we were 6 months ago.

 

How do WAR and OPS say so? They are both still elite bats and they will be worth their contract demands if they age gracefully. That's what the issue is though, how well they will age.

[GD]

dumb to offer a deal they know has no chance of being accepted

 

And yet everyone wanted them to make an offer to Price

[saskjayfan]

I'm not really worried about EE. He has such a compact swing. I think he will be great. I would give him 5 years 17.5 mi AAV and I think he would take it. If he gets to free agency someone will probably pay him 5 100.

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm not really worried about EE. He has such a compact swing. I think he will be great. I would give him 5 years 17.5 mi AAV and I think he would take it. If he gets to free agency someone will probably pay him 5 100.

 

I can't see any team giving him 5 years let alone 100 Million. He's really restricted in the teams he can go to with him being a DH. Boston seems like the best fit and there will probably be a few other teams that pop up but when you combine his age, draft pick comp. and position there just isn't a huge market out there.

[TilsonBritoFan]

WTF is wrong with Edwin? Why the displeasure? I thought he wanted to test FA?

 

Apparently not, he wants to be signed long-term, right now, with the Jays assuming all risk.

 

Why the f*** would the Jays would give him a long term deal right now, when they don't have to, coupled with the fact he's coming off hernia surgery and hasn't played yet this spring due to injury?

 

Edwin is being an idiot.

 

Jose at least, just flat out said what it would take to buy him out of free agency now, as opposed to waiting until after the season. That makes sense - they asked him, he responded. But it doesn't seem like he was expecting them to sign him pre-season. He seems content to wait the season out and deal with it later. Edwin on the other hand, is turning this into a messy situation by calling out the team like this.

 

Lost some respect for EE on this one.

[saskjayfan]

I can't see any team giving him 5 years let alone 100 Million. He's really restricted in the teams he can go to with him being a DH. Boston seems like the best fit and there will probably be a few other teams that pop up but when you combine his age, draft pick comp. and position there just isn't a huge market out there.

 

yankees have a ton of money coming available at the end of the year...if they Jays don't lock up edwin now they easily outbid the Jays

[burlingtonbandit]

yankees have a ton of money coming available at the end of the year...if they Jays don't lock up edwin now they easily outbid the Jays

 

The Yankees seem to be going young and not signing aging players anymore. There really isn't much room for Edwin on that roster with Arod and Mccann still under contract anyway.

[saskjayfan]

The Yankees seem to be going young and not signing aging players anymore. There really isn't much room for Edwin on that roster with Arod and Mccann still under contract anyway.

 

what? The Yankees are clearing off Sabathia, Beltran and Tex at the end of this year. You think one year of Arod at 21 mil that is left in 2017 would prevent a long term deal with Edwin? Edwin can play first and dh when Arod needs days off for one year.

[crazy47larry]

The Yankees seem to be going young and not signing aging players anymore. There really isn't much room for Edwin on that roster with Arod and Mccann still under contract anyway.

 

they still do sign the old timers, but they do it in waves every 3 years (or so) now as opposed to the constant stream every year. if they got money available they will spend it, and as the guy above me pointed out they are gonna have a lot of money available next year.

[burlingtonbandit]

they still do sign the old timers, but they do it in waves every 3 years (or so) now as opposed to the constant stream every year. if they got money available they will spend it, and as the guy above me pointed out they are gonna have a lot of money available next year.

 

Cashman has said they want to get younger. Obviously they still can sign him I just think they will spend their money elsewhere.

[dineke]

they're saving money for Harper.

[ClevelandBrownsFan2]

Not sure why the Blue Jays would offer more than 2-3 years to either of these guys (EE and JB) right now. The most relevant indicator of performance over a new deal with be this upcoming season. It appears Shatkins are going to make sure EE and JB produce this year before unloading the Brinks truck for them (if at all).

 

If the players are getting upset this point that the Jays don't want to meet their demands, let them. I'm thinking everyone will be happier to talk after another successful season. If by that time they're still hurt about not getting the contract of their dreams during spring training, let them walk (obviously assuming the Jays want them/offer them a market rate contract).

 

It's not like these guys are Harper or Trout, there's no reason to try to sign them early to a long term deal. A good year by EE or JB is not going to increase their value as much as a bad one will crater their value. Giving these guys huge deals now might (although unlikely, and not in the interest of Jays fans anywhere) look really dumb by the end of this season, nevermind the 3-5 years after that. Players age, JB and EE want to be paid like they won't age, let them prove it this season.

[THANOS]

Not sure why the Blue Jays would offer more than 2-3 years to either of these guys (EE and JB) right now. The most relevant indicator of performance over a new deal with be this upcoming season. It appears Shatkins are going to make sure EE and JB produce this year before unloading the Brinks truck for them (if at all).

 

If the players are getting upset this point that the Jays don't want to meet their demands, let them. I'm thinking everyone will be happier to talk after another successful season. If by that time they're still hurt about not getting the contract of their dreams during spring training, let them walk (obviously assuming the Jays want them/offer them a market rate contract).

 

It's not like these guys are Harper or Trout, there's no reason to try to sign them early to a long term deal. A good year by EE or JB is not going to increase their value as much as a bad one will crater their value. Giving these guys huge deals now might (although unlikely, and not in the interest of Jays fans anywhere) look really dumb by the end of this season, nevermind the 3-5 years after that. Players age, JB and EE want to be paid like they won't age, let them prove it this season.

 

One more thing to note, Shapiro has also said that a full season of the last 2 months of 2015's ticket sales and their payroll for 2017 will be MUCH higher. Given that the Canadian dollar is rising again and comparable with what it was in 2015 at this point, a full season of massive ticket sales again and I could see that payroll getting bumped a lot. If that happens perhaps market value deals for at least one of JB or EE and extensions for Stro and JD could get done.

[burlingtonbandit]

One more thing to note, Shapiro has also said that a full season of the last 2 months of 2015's ticket sales and their payroll for 2017 will be MUCH higher. Given that the Canadian dollar is rising again and comparable with what it was in 2015 at this point, a full season of massive ticket sales again and I could see that payroll getting bumped a lot. If that happens perhaps market value deals for at least one of JB or EE and extensions for Stro and JD could get done.

 

They've already sold a whole bunch of tickets looking at the seating map for games so even if they don't do as well as we hope they will get a lot of revenue from that. The bigger unknown is the TV viewership as that will depend on how the team is doing. The Postseason is going to be the big variable though, that impacts the team the most financially.

[crazy47larry]

Cashman has said they want to get younger. Obviously they still can sign him I just think they will spend their money elsewhere.

 

yeah i agree with that. there are smarter ways to spend their resources. plus they already got A-Rod so no need for another DH type. funny that someone glossed over it like "its only $21m" earlier.

[Praxis]

I know all about EBITDA and how it pertains to the Blue Jays payroll, but a bit of me dies inside every time I hear someone say "If we can get bigger crowds/have playoff success/sell more merchandise we might get a bigger payroll."

 

This is Rogers FFS, the same company that blew billions on hockey, generates revenues of $13bn a year and has an adjusted operating profit of $5bn a year.

 

http://www.rogers.com/web/ir/financial-reporting/financial-history

 

I mean seriously, pass the f***ing bucket around the dressing room please...

[Jonn]

they're saving money for Harper.

 

Harper would never sign with the Yankees. He wouldn't cut his hair or be clean shaven. All he talks about is his hair.

[RealAccountant]

I know all about EBITDA and how it pertains to the Blue Jays payroll, but a bit of me dies inside every time I hear someone say "If we can get bigger crowds/have playoff success/sell more merchandise we might get a bigger payroll."

 

This is Rogers FFS, the same company that blew billions on hockey, generates revenues of $13bn a year and has an adjusted operating profit of $5bn a year.

 

http://www.rogers.com/web/ir/financial-reporting/financial-history

 

I mean seriously, pass the f***ing bucket around the dressing room please...

 

They didn't blow anyhjng on hockey. Content value has increased considerably. The hockey feal may have not paid immediate dividends but five years from now it will look like a steal