Spring Training

[Jimcanuck]

Making the other team remove their starting pitcher earlier isn't really a productive goal.

 

This might be the dumbest thing i have read on here. "Yeah let's work to keep their starter in the game.... score some runs in the later innings."

[TilsonBritoFan]

Yeah. This has been discussed on here several times. Before they got Henderson the lineup probably should have been.

 

Alomar

Molitor

Olerud

Carter

 

With White 9th

 

Once they got Henderson, you move that top 4 back one spot

 

But oh well. Back to back WS.

 

Unfortunately, Robbie wasn't black enough to bat leadoff in Cito's eyes. And we're all raycess for criticizing him in any way.

[Jimcanuck]

back then, the way Cito wrote out the lineup card was pretty much the norm

 

plenty of reasons to criticize him, but Devo leadoff is one of the lesser evils

 

a Bautista as leadoff in 92-93 would get you fired

[Cyborg]

This might be the dumbest thing i have read on here. "Yeah let's work to keep their starter in the game.... score some runs in the later innings."

 

Starters are easier to score runs on. You'd rather chase them by run scoring than pitch count.

[Cyborg]

Though the only time it matters is when a s***** hitter is fouling a bunch of 0-2 or 1-2 pitches with no one on and 2 outs. Its counterproductive to run up starter pitch counts when its not leading to run scoring.

[BTS]

Though the only time it matters is when a s***** hitter is fouling a bunch of 0-2 or 1-2 pitches with no one on and 2 outs. Its counterproductive to run up starter pitch counts when its not leading to run scoring.

 

It depends on context too. If it's a tie in the 6th inning with Edinson Volquez pitching, you'd prefer he stick around for the 7th. If you're facing Jose Fernandez and have him at 90 pitches after 4 innings, and are in to middle relief by the 5th, you're probably having a good day.

[L54]

And this is why we shouldn't talk in absolutes!

[Abomination]

Starters are easier to score runs on. You'd rather chase them by run scoring than pitch count.

 

I think it depends who you're facing (although certainly you'd be happy to chase any starter by run scoring). Go against a true ace, and running up the pitch count isn't a bad strategy.

[Cyborg]

It depends on context too. If it's a tie in the 6th inning with Edinson Volquez pitching, you'd prefer he stick around for the 7th. If you're facing Jose Fernandez and have him at 90 pitches after 4 innings, and are in to middle relief by the 5th, you're probably having a good day.

 

Yeah there are times when it might actually be a net positive for your batter to get out, so that the good hitters have a clean inning with a statrer nearing 100 pitches.

[Cyborg]

Obviously there are a good chunk of starters who are better than the bullpen too and you do want pitch count up.

[BTS]

Yeah there are times when it might actually be a net positive for your batter to get out, so that the good hitters have a clean inning with a statrer nearing 100 pitches.

 

Given that you're tied 0-0 after 4 innings and Jose Fernandez is pitching, would you prefer he leave the 4th at 37 pitches or 90?

[Laika]

Having your hitters focus on any game plan bigger than their current PA is probably a bad idea.

[Cyborg]

Having your hitters focus on any game plan bigger than their current PA is probably a bad idea.

 

Agreed. But you could tell Ryan Gojns or your pitcher batting with two outs against a bad pitcher and no one on, that if he gets to 2 strikes before 2 balls he should probably just strike out if he cant put it in play.

[Jimcanuck]

Starters are easier to score runs on. You'd rather chase them by run scoring than pitch count.

 

average xFIP for relievers 3.9, starters 4.0 in 2015, so ok

 

but its a season and in a series getting to the bullpen earlier in one game increases your chances to win the next

 

also the more pitches you make a pitcher throw in a given inning, the more likely he tires and makes a mistake pitch..... you want your hitters that make a pitcher work getting more at bats

 

edit: another reason you want your patient hitters getting more at bats is it increases the chances of a wild pitch or Morganna running on the field

[Jimcanuck]

Agreed. But you could tell Ryan Gojns or your pitcher batting with two outs against a bad pitcher and no one on, that if he gets to 2 strikes before 2 balls he should probably just strike out if he cant put it in play.

 

holy f***

[BTS]

Agreed. But you could tell Ryan Gojns or your pitcher batting with two outs against a bad pitcher and no one on, that if he gets to 2 strikes before 2 balls he should probably just strike out if he cant put it in play.

 

I bet you don't even watch baseball.

[BTS]

https://chaturbate.com/tenngirl_/

 

great lips!

 

wat

[Laika]

Agreed. But you could tell Ryan Gojns or your pitcher batting with two outs against a bad pitcher and no one on, that if he gets to 2 strikes before 2 balls he should probably just strike out if he cant put it in play.

 

You're supposing that a manger's decision to pull the SP will hang on 2 or 3 extra pitches to a s***** hitter?

 

Kind of hard to believe.

 

I guess the real example might be - mid to late inning, 2 out and none on, Derek Jeter at the plate, pitcher closing in on 100 pitches. Jeter has the ability to foul off a lot of pitches. 10+ pitch at bats are possible here, which might bring the SP up to ~105 and maybe out of the game. Do you tell him specifically to NOT battle? You could tell him to take three massive HR swings or try to bunt for a single on the first pitch, I guess.

[Cyborg]

Does no one realize Im talking about only situations with 2 out, no one on, and your worst hitter up in the 9 spot against a bad or mediocre starter?

[King]

https://chaturbate.com/tenngirl_/

 

great lips!

 

......

[BTS]

Does no one realize Im talking about only situations with 2 out, no one on, and your worst hitter up in the 9 spot against a bad or mediocre starter?

 

This thread is now about Jimcanuck posting and jerking at the same time and making an account-deleting error.

[Jimcanuck]

......

 

oh s***.... corrupting a minor

[King]

oh s***.... corrupting a minor

 

I'm 19.

 

edit: Unless youre talking about the girl on the chaturbate cam.

[BTS]

I'm 19.

 

Nobody believes this.

[Jimcanuck]

Does no one realize Im talking about only situations with 2 out, no one on, and your worst hitter up in the 9 spot against a bad or mediocre starter?

 

Can you do the analysis on this? I'm too busy

[King]

Nobody believes this.

 

Alright fine, I'm 18.

[BTS]

There is a level of nuance here that people aren't getting. Obviously, you want the thing where the other team's pitcher gets chased in the 4th after throwing 90 pitches and giving up six runs. That isn't what's being discussed and has little to do with the leadoff hitter's number of pitches.

 

The situation at hand pertains to whether you'd rather have player A who hits .260/.330/.400 with 3.5 P/PA or player B who hits .260/.330/.400 with 4.5 P/PA as the leadoff hitter. I don't see why B would be seen as preferable.

 

Also important to consider is that the performance of the "average" reliever doesn't really matter because we're considering only close games in this scenario. You can throw out the low leverage guys who bring the league relief closer to 4.00. Just about every team will have much superior relievers ready for the 7-9 innings but only if the starting pitcher has throw 100+ pitches. It's good if just about any starting pitcher is able to enter the 7th, all things being equal. There barely needs to be an "ace" carve out.

 

It depends on whether or not there's truth behind the idea that the heart of your order will benefit from seeing a long PA play out before they hit. If so, and all else being equal, you'd want the guy who sees more pitches leading off.

[JosJos]

Is that Troy on the sportsnet mlb page? he is already in Dunedin? where do they get these pics from? http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/

[Cyborg]

Is that Troy on the sportsnet mlb page? he is already in Dunedin? where do they get these pics from? http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/

Wow, Wilner has a long article about what the 25 man roster will look like and doesn't even mention Biagini once lol.

[Cyborg]

 

He also didn't mention Hutch in the article.

Someone tell him that he has no idea how Rule 5 picks work. There is a greater than 90% chance Biagini breaks with the team.