Revere to the Nats in 3...2...1

[GD]

They're using catapult and other data fitting devices to make sure they aren't being overworked if that is what you are thinking.

 

Ooh, interesting. Thanks tips. Then I'd probably just say it doesn't matter re: innings thrown.

[KingKat]

Someone better would be preferable. As things stand their everyday LF is completely unproven at the major league level, their 4th OF just missed the entire season because he got his meniscus removed, and there isn't a 5th OF in the org you'd expect to be better than replacement.

 

Storen is good, and the pen looks better now, obviously, but as things stand the OF needs to be addressed.

 

Austin Jackson?

[Brownie19]

Austin Jackson?

 

Jackson is coming off a 2.3 WAR season (better than all but one season is Revere's career). The only way I could see him interested in Toronto is if he's given the LF job and we leave Pompey in AAA. I guess that's a possibility if Jackson will come on the cheap....although D.Span's crazy deal may have ruined that opportunity...

[BTS]

Austin Jackson?

 

I mentioned this another thread, but I think he's a perfect fit. If Pompey plays the way everyone hopes, Jackson is a fourth OF who can play all three spots, pinch run, and hit at close to an average level. He can also fill in for long stretches and probably play at a 2-win pace at all three OF spots. If Pompey disappoints, Jackson is there as probably a 2-win LF. It also protects the team from actually relying heavily on Saunders. As the 5th OF, they can pick their spots with him and ease him back in.

 

I wonder if he signs for something like 2/15?

[Stangstag]

I mentioned this another thread, but I think he's a perfect fit. If Pompey plays the way everyone hopes, Jackson is a fourth OF who can play all three spots, pinch run, and hit at close to an average level. He can also fill in for long stretches and probably play at a 2-win pace at all three OF spots. If Pompey disappoints, Jackson is there as probably a 2-win LF. It also protects the team from actually relying heavily on Saunders. As the 5th OF, they can pick their spots with him and ease him back in.

 

I wonder if he signs for something like 2/15?

 

You think he'll sign for 2/15 to play the role of 4th OF when there are likely several teams willing to let him play everyday?

[BTS]

You think he'll sign for 2/15 to play the role of 4th OF when there are likely several teams willing to let him play everyday?

 

I don't negotiate contracts or anything, but it seems obvious that you'd tell him that LF is his for the taking, with only an unproven rookie in-house. And I have no idea if he's interested in signing here. All I said was that he makes a ton of sense for the team.

[KingKat]

I mentioned this another thread, but I think he's a perfect fit. If Pompey plays the way everyone hopes, Jackson is a fourth OF who can play all three spots, pinch run, and hit at close to an average level. He can also fill in for long stretches and probably play at a 2-win pace at all three OF spots. If Pompey disappoints, Jackson is there as probably a 2-win LF. It also protects the team from actually relying heavily on Saunders. As the 5th OF, they can pick their spots with him and ease him back in.

 

I wonder if he signs for something like 2/15?

 

Owns Jackson in the LOD (had to do it).

[z3r0s]

Owns Jackson in the LOD (had to do it).

 

repent now BTS... its the only way

[BTS]

Does this mean Boxy is going to spend the next four pages calling me out?

[z3r0s]

that's entirely up to you, how much troll feed to you have?

[Boxcar]

Does this mean Boxy is going to spend the next four pages calling me out?

 

Nah, you'd figure it out pretty quick

 

Plus I think Jackson is a really good idea

[z3r0s]

I have a hard time figuring out how much Jackson will earn. But if he would come cheap and know that he wouldn't be guaranteed a spot, he makes sense as a target.

[HERPDERP]

TIL Jackson is a poor man's Kevin Pillar. Man in 2012 he was real good.

[GD]

Owns Jackson in the LOD (had to do it).

 

Owns Venable!

[Boxcar]

Now you know the real reason I quit LOD...so I could advocate trading for Mike Trout. He'd be a good fit here.

[crazy47larry]

He did pretty well in the 2 Zobrist deals if you ask me.

 

just looking back and they were both solid deals. maybe beane can still do this gm thing afterall.

 

john jaso + daniel robertson + boog powell for ben zobrist + yunel escobar is good. although quick flipping escobar for clippard was very bad.

zobrist for manea + brooks at the deadline is real good

[Brownie19]

He did pretty well in the 2 Zobrist deals if you ask me.

 

Billy Butler - 3 yr $30M.

[Jonn]

Isn't Austin Jackson a strikeout machine. Like he strikes out more than our 40 homerun guys.

[z3r0s]

Isn't Austin Jackson a strikeout machine. Like he strikes out more than our 40 homerun guys.

 

There needs to be a 'let me fangraphs that for you' link

 

23.1% career (and pretty much that last year). A little much for his skill set, but hardly a SO machine.

[Grant77]

There needs to be a 'let me fangraphs that for you' link

 

23.1% career (and pretty much that last year). A little much for his skill set, but hardly a SO machine.

 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Austin+Jackson+fangraphs

[z3r0s]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Austin+Jackson+fangraphs

 

I guess that works, but it would be funner if it was FG's specific.

[vilifyingforce]

I guess that works, but it would be funner if it was FG's specific.

 

Go with the Feeling Lucky option. http://bfy.tw/3hIA

[BigRed]

the way this board undervalues ben revere is very disheartening.

the way this board overvalues relievers is alarming.

 

we just traded a rock solid 2 WAR position player with more control at less cost for a 1 WAR reliever. now our OF depth will be supremely tested. jose is what he is (aging elite bat with poor defense). i am skeptical about Pillar's offense due to his 'approach'. hes my favorite jay right now but hes not beyond reproach. over time hes more likely to get exposed than continue his smoke and mirrors act on offense unless he makes a real adjustment. it wont matter as much if hes playing stellar defense but i liked our OF when our biggest question mark was Pillar's bat. now we gotta worry about his bat, saunders knee, colabello's 'glove', and pompeys everything. a lot of question marks just got magnified in our OF. i am more comfortable piecing the bullpen together than the OF.

 

I basically posted the exact same thing on another board. I'm really surprised at how undervalued Revere was as a Blue Jay.

 

The bullpen was the biggest need, but we just traded a guy who has averaged 2.0 WAR over the last two seasons, for a reliever who will pitch 55, maybe 60 innings and has averaged 1.0 WAR over the last 2 seasons, and projected (Steamer) to be worth 0.6 this year. I really think it was a poor deal value wise. At least the Jays aren't paying the increase in salary from Revere -> Storen, but that could be a cause for concern. I'm guessing cash is coming along with Storen because the Jays don't have any more of their own to use, which could make mid season deals a little more complicated.

 

I like strengthening the bullpen, but the cost was too much. If it was for Saunders+ I wouldn't be complaining, but both Saunders and Pompey are question marks. They badly need one of those two guys to work out or LF could suddenly become a huge area of concern. At least with Revere you knew what you were getting.

[P2F]

I basically posted the exact same thing on another board. I'm really surprised at how undervalued Revere was as a Blue Jay.

 

The bullpen was the biggest need, but we just traded a guy who has averaged 2.0 WAR over the last two seasons, for a reliever who will pitch 55, maybe 60 innings and has averaged 1.0 WAR over the last 2 seasons, and projected (Steamer) to be worth 0.6 this year. I really think it was a poor deal value wise. At least the Jays aren't paying the increase in salary from Revere -> Storen, but that could be a cause for concern. I'm guessing cash is coming along with Storen because the Jays don't have any more of their own to use, which could make mid season deals a little more complicated.

 

I like strengthening the bullpen, but the cost was too much. If it was for Saunders+ I wouldn't be complaining, but both Saunders and Pompey are question marks. They badly need one of those two guys to work out or LF could suddenly become a huge area of concern. At least with Revere you knew what you were getting.

 

Two things:

 

1. Relievers are not valued properly by WAR.

2. Revere is projected at 1 WAR by Steamer for next season, whereas Storen is 0.6. That's a negligible difference and WAR is not exact.

 

The trade was about as close to fair as can be in regards to value, but it also addressed a big area of weakness from an area of strength (OF depth).

 

Revere will be missed a little bit, but Pompey/Saunders should do a fine job in his place. I would make this trade every time.

[rydermike]

I'm guessing cash is coming along with Storen because the Jays don't have any more of their own to use, which could make mid season deals a little more complicated.

 

Cash is coming because Storen makes more than Revere. It's just like a straight swap without changing financial position. We did the same thing last year in the Saunders for Happ deal. It's basically like retaining salary, but instead they just send $$ to cover the difference.

[Brownie19]

I basically posted the exact same thing on another board. I'm really surprised at how undervalued Revere was as a Blue Jay.

 

The bullpen was the biggest need, but we just traded a guy who has averaged 2.0 WAR over the last two seasons, for a reliever who will pitch 55, maybe 60 innings and has averaged 1.0 WAR over the last 2 seasons, and projected (Steamer) to be worth 0.6 this year. I really think it was a poor deal value wise. At least the Jays aren't paying the increase in salary from Revere -> Storen, but that could be a cause for concern. I'm guessing cash is coming along with Storen because the Jays don't have any more of their own to use, which could make mid season deals a little more complicated.

 

I like strengthening the bullpen, but the cost was too much. If it was for Saunders+ I wouldn't be complaining, but both Saunders and Pompey are question marks. They badly need one of those two guys to work out or LF could suddenly become a huge area of concern. At least with Revere you knew what you were getting.

 

If we offered Saunders then Storen wouldn't be a Blue Jay sir

[Chappy]

It's not 1 WAR for 2 WAR and a loss for the Jays. It's a 1 WAR RP replacing the worst arm in the pen and 2 very solid and potentially better internal LF options for Revere and His 2 WAR. A deal like this does not need to be a simple win on the exchanging of players WAR for this team to get better. We are better after the trade.

[BTS]

I think it's more like 1-2 wins subtracted from the outfield and added to the pen.

[Laika]

I think it's more like 1-2 wins subtracted from the outfield and added to the pen.

 

If Toronto thought it was a net zero move, why would they do it?

[RealAccountant]

It's not 1 WAR for 2 WAR and a loss for the Jays. It's a 1 WAR RP replacing the worst arm in the pen and 2 very solid and potentially better internal LF options for Revere and His 2 WAR. A deal like this does not need to be a simple win on the exchanging of players WAR for this team to get better. We are better after the trade.

 

This post is way too intelligent for this forum.