Forum Top Prospects 1-10

[Grant77]

Here's your final list. Thanks to everyone involved. Hopefully the results prove accurate and promote a lot of discussion.

 

1. Anthony Alford (unanimous #1)

2. Sean Reid-Foley

3. Conner Greene

4. Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

5. Rowdy Tellez

6. Jon Harris

7. Max Pentecost

8. Richard Urena

9. Clinton Hollon

10. Justin Maese

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eC9-YmsG4RXbQcwWCf-8Vv6EopIWHaYKyMm6zjuMYKc/edit?usp=sharing

[Jimcanuck]

so bad. also, pointless

[Krylian]

so bad. also, pointless

 

What is?

[Frenchsoup]

How is Sean Reid Foley ahead of Connor Greene when he hasn't proved he can throw strikes? Greenes at a higher level and they're about the same age.

[Jimcanuck]

the farm is bad. and ranking the prospects is pointless.

[Krylian]

the prospects are bad. and ranking them is pointless.

 

Someone poop in your soup?

[Krylian]

How is Sean Reid Foley ahead of Connor Greene when he hasn't proved he can throw strikes? Greenes at a higher level and they're about the same age.

 

I had Greene 2 and SRF 3 but it's a coin flip.

 

SRF's K rates are very sexy, but he has his warts.

Greene doesn't K as many as you'd ideally like to see but his stuff took a major step forward and his command is superior to SRF's.

 

This year will show us a lot.

[Grant77]

the farm is bad. and ranking the prospects is pointless.

 

You were the first one to send me a list. Don't be sour about it. If you participate more this year then I'll include you next time.

[TheHurl]

the farm is bad. and ranking the prospects is pointless.

 

says the man that's never made a point on this board ever

[Laika]

Welp I guess I'm the #1 Rowdy Tellez fan boy

 

Exactly one year after I said Mitch Nay was a better prospect than him

[Grant77]

How is Sean Reid Foley ahead of Connor Greene when he hasn't proved he can throw strikes? Greenes at a higher level and they're about the same age.

 

SRF has a perfect pitcher's body and a clean, repeatable delivery, leading me to believe that his command problems can be sorted out. If he gets that BB/9 under 4 then all of the sudden we have a number 2 starter on our hands. Greene is a little older and a lot more polished, but I think he lacks the upside of a front of the rotation starter. There's an argument to be made for either one and that's shown in the results.

[TheHurl]

Now for my commentary on mine.

 

1 Anthony Alford I tell myself all the time…don't fall for the toolsy guy who strikes out way too much. Happens all the time though.

2 Sean Reid-Foley At least he's striking out people.

3 Conner The Model Greene Really like him more as a model. The numbers are good. Velo is up

4 Richard Urena K rate went down…power went way up. Don't care about the OBP if this trend continues.

5 Vlad Guerrero Jr. I hate to rank a 16 year old as the failure rate is so damn high.

6 Rowdy Tellez the bat might play. He's a 1B prospect though who isn't good with the glove and can't run

7 Jon Harris Hated him as draftee, like him less now

8 Max Pentecost Two screws in the elbow…check. Shoulder surgery didn't take-check. Second surgery … 3 month recovery time, didn't return in 7 months - check seriously why do I even have him listed, oh yeah being Brought out back, shot and left for dead he'd at least give the Jays an armband.

9 DJ Davis Repeating levels not good…cutting his K's significantly that is one of my top indicators, can't ignore

10 Angel Perdomo He's got to move up at least 3 levels next year.

11 Yorman Rodriguez I'll assume he's a 1B. If he can actually catch he moves up

12 Clinton Hollon I'll ignore whatever happened in Dunedin. Heard his velocity is recovering. Maybe he can get back to his predraft 95

13 Jose Espada Tough Puerto Rican. I like the sound of that

14 Justin Maese I like so few. May as well take the velocity guy, even if he K's no one

15 Shane Dawson Future Loogy…and Canadian

[Laika]

SRF has a perfect pitcher's body and a clean, repeatable delivery, leading me to believe that his command problems can be sorted out. If he gets that BB/9 under 4 then all of the sudden we have a number 2 starter on our hands. Greene is a little older and a lot more polished, but I think he lacks the upside of a front of the rotation starter. There's an argument to be made for either one and that's shown in the results.

 

Yeah SRF is basically Daniel Norris circa 2013

[TheHurl]

Welp I guess I'm the #1 Rowdy Tellez fan boy

 

Exactly one year after I said Mitch Nay was a better prospect than him

 

Fatboy fanboy!

 

I'm flying the Urena flag. Two spots higher than anyone else.

[King]

Now for my commentary on mine.

 

1 Anthony Alford I tell myself all the time…don't fall for the toolsy guy who strikes out way too much. Happens all the time though.

2 Sean Reid-Foley At least he's striking out people.

3 Conner The Model Greene Really like him more as a model. The numbers are good. Velo is up

4 Richard Urena K rate went down…power went way up. Don't care about the OBP if this trend continues.

5 Vlad Guerrero Jr. I hate to rank a 16 year old as the failure rate is so damn high.

6 Rowdy Tellez the bat might play. He's a 1B prospect though who isn't good with the glove and can't run

7 Jon Harris Hated him as draftee, like him less now

8 Max Pentecost Two screws in the elbow…check. Shoulder surgery didn't take-check. Second surgery … 3 month recovery time, didn't return in 7 months - check seriously why do I even have him listed, oh yeah being Brought out back, shot and left for dead he'd at least give the Jays an armband.

9 DJ Davis Repeating levels not good…cutting his K's significantly that is one of my top indicators, can't ignore

10 Angel Perdomo He's got to move up at least 3 levels next year.

11 Yorman Rodriguez I'll assume he's a 1B. If he can actually catch he moves up

12 Clinton Hollon I'll ignore whatever happened in Dunedin. Heard his velocity is recovering. Maybe he can get back to his predraft 95

13 Jose Espada Tough Puerto Rican. I like the sound of that

14 Justin Maese I like so few. May as well take the velocity guy, even if he K's no one

15 Shane Dawson Future Loogy…and Canadian

 

Missing Jansen?

[McDude]

SRF has a perfect pitcher's body and a clean, repeatable delivery, leading me to believe that his command problems can be sorted out. If he gets that BB/9 under 4 then all of the sudden we have a number 2 starter on our hands. Greene is a little older and a lot more polished, but I think he lacks the upside of a front of the rotation starter. There's an argument to be made for either one and that's shown in the results.

 

im a big believer in SRF and personally would have him at 2 but his delivery is far from clean, particularly with red flags in his high elbow and somewhat herky jerky nature... i believe this is the primary reason he fell so much in the draft

[Grant77]

Yeah SRF is basically Daniel Norris circa 2013

 

Not a perfect comparison stuff wise, but it's a great example to show that command problems can be sorted out if the mechanics are there. It's one of the reasons I believe Sanchez has some upside left.

[Laika]

Fatboy fanboy!

 

I'm flying the Urena flag. Two spots higher than anyone else.

 

I find it fascinating that there are zero Urenas in MLB history, except for Jose Urena from 2015, yet there are like 46 current Urena prospects in the minor leagues.

 

How does a Dominican last name just infiltrate the game all of a sudden with no prior history? So odd.

 

Maybe Ang can explain the mystery of the name

[TheHurl]

Missing Jansen?

 

No one from Wisconsin makes the bigs. Catchers from Wisconsin with no knees don't make AAA.

[King]

I find it fascinating that there are zero Urenas in MLB history, except for Jose Urena from 2015, yet there are like 46 current Urena prospects in the minor leagues.

 

How does a Dominican last name just infiltrate the game all of a sudden with no prior history? So odd.

 

Maybe Ang can explain the mystery of the name

 

It's true.

 

http://i.imgur.com/aijNUAc.png

[King]

No one from Wisconsin makes the bigs. Catchers from Wisconsin with no knees don't make AAA.

 

Interesting take!

[Laika]

Not a perfect comparison stuff wise, but it's a great example to show that command problems can be sorted out if the mechanics are there. It's one of the reasons I believe Sanchez has some upside left.

 

well now you've jumped the shark

 

seriously though, Sanchez' tall and fall mechanics are just disgusting and so not athletic and I hate the Blue Jays for developing him like that

 

I don't think you fix command/control problems by making a guy more rigid. That seems counter intuitive to me.

 

It's possible that it was all Sanchez on his own though

[McDude]

well now you've jumped the shark

 

seriously though, Sanchez' tall and fall mechanics are just disgusting and so not athletic and I hate the Blue Jays for developing him like that

 

I don't think you fix command/control problems by making a guy more rigid. That seems counter intuitive to me.

 

It's possible that it was all Sanchez on his own though

 

considering the jays approach with hoffman, id doubt it.

 

hopeful with the new brass they can break away from this approach.

[Grant77]

im a big believer in SRF and personally would have him at 2 but his delivery is far from clean, particularly with red flags in his high elbow and somewhat herky jerky nature... i believe this is the primary reason he fell so much in the draft

 

I think that the high elbow is more of a concern in regards to injury than it is in regards to consistency. If by 'herky jerky' you mean that slight pause, then I'm not too worried. It's less of a concern for me when it occurs before any arm action.

[Grant77]

well now you've jumped the shark

 

seriously though, Sanchez' tall and fall mechanics are just disgusting and so not athletic and I hate the Blue Jays for developing him like that

 

I don't think you fix command/control problems by making a guy more rigid. That seems counter intuitive to me.

 

It's possible that it was all Sanchez on his own though

 

I can see both sides of the argument. One one hand, you're reducing injury risk (or so logic would suggest) and increasing consistency. On the other hand, you're messing with the pitcher's comfort zone and taking away some deception, or the 'it' factor, if you will.

[Laika]

I can see both sides of the argument. One one hand, you're reducing injury risk (or so logic would suggest) and increasing consistency. On the other hand, you're messing with the pitcher's comfort zone and taking away some deception, or the 'it' factor, if you will.

 

I actually think they are probably not reducing injury risk. I mean, Sanchez' stiff lower half is not helping him at all in that regard and his timing is bad.

 

Nothing about this seems natural... it's almost like he jumps up in the air and lands on his front leg. I wonder if he could throw even harder with more efficient mechanics.

 

[admin]

Admittedly, I haven't followed prospects that close the last year or two, but I can't imagine too many teams with a worse farm than that.

[SAAviour]

Yup, that list looks gross.

Playoffs were worth it though, since it had been 22 years.

[Jimcanuck]

You were the first one to send me a list. Don't be sour about it. If you participate more this year then I'll include you next time.

 

did not send a list, mate

[Grant77]

Admittedly, I haven't followed prospects that close the last year or two, but I can't imagine too many teams with a worse farm than that.

 

I'm not certain that we're in the bottom 10, but can't say for sure without seeing other lists. White Sox, Angels and Padres are much worse. I'd tentatively throw out the Giants, Orioles, Mariners, Marlins, maybe the Royals. I'm sure I missed a couple. If you count Pompey it's probably middle of the pack.