The 2015 Winter Meetings (Dec 7-10)

[baubau]

Cecil and Osuna are borderline elite, and Loup and Sanchez are pretty good too. There's nothing wrong with the pen.

 

Oh god, no. NOUU!! Please trade Sanchez instead of keeping him in the pen. Milk that "potential" for someone good from another team. Like Arizona for Anderson!!

[Stangstag]

Sipp for 3/15 would be nice

[HERPDERP]

Mariners-Red Sox talking starters - per kenny

[Nafro]

I think I could live with a pen of Osuna, Cecil, Loup, Sanchez and 3 of Schultz, Delabar, Girodo, Rowen. I think you throw a minor league deal at Axford or Feliz. Hopefully get someone like Cahill or Alvarez for rotation/pen depth.

 

I also think Dragmire is a bull pen dark horse candidate.

 

I think the money you want to spend on Sipp is better spent on Henderson Alvarez or even a Mat Latos/Trevor Cahill reclamation project.

[THANOS]

I would, in fact, be surprised if this happened. Quite surprised.

 

Very surprised. I can't see Shapiro/Atkins being comfortable with the package it would cost for Fernandez. It would probably be something like Osuna, Pompey, Travis, and Pillar.

[baubau]

Very surprised. I can't see Shapiro/Atkins being comfortable with the package it would cost for Fernandez. It would probably be something like Osuna, Pompey, Travis, and Pillar.

 

Probably starts with Stroman.

[Nafro]

They asked Dodgers for Urias and Seager. It would have to start with Stroman.

[BTS]

Cahill re-signs with the Cubs.

[JaysRap]

Zips hates the Jays SP even more. Though Stroman apparently is really low because of the projected playing time. Funny that Donaldson almost projects to have as much WAR as the entire rotation.

 

 

Greeaatt..... We'll see if our "more than adequate" SP holds up through the season.

[Boxcar]

Greeaatt..... We'll see if our "more than adequate" SP holds up through the season.

 

All those rotation WAR totals will be beaten, I'd wager.

[Cyborg]

All those rotation WAR totals will be beaten, I'd wager.

The IP are just all low.

[burlingtonbandit]

Lowe got 6.5 Million a year from Tigers apparently.

[burlingtonbandit]

Red Sox seem to really want to trade Miley or Bucholz. I'd love Miley in Toronto but it'd be tough making any trade with the Red Sox.

[HERPDERP]

Computer thief was amazing last year! what is he thinking.

[Grant77]

Cahill re-signs with the Cubs.

 

I would have paid Cahill that amount.

[Grant77]

All those rotation WAR totals will be beaten, I'd wager.

 

I'll take that bet.

[King]

Shieeeet

[Laika]

Ugh, missing on Bud Norris for $2.5 and Cahill for $4.25 is extremely annoying.

 

Both in the same realm of talent as Chavez. Cost less in terms of $. Cost nothing in terms of Hendrickses.

 

I mean in a nutshell I'd prefer Chavez over either of them. Would have been nice to add Cahill as the #7 though.

[HERPDERP]

Cahill is going to be a starter for them, no? I don't think he'd have a shot here as a starter

[reedjohnsonfan]

Cahill is going to be a starter for them, no? I don't think he'd have a shot here as a starter

 

"ESPN Chicago’s Jesse Rogers adds that while Cahill is definitely in the bullpen for now"

[JaysRap]

I'll take that bet.

 

Agreed.

[reedjohnsonfan]

I would have paid Cahill that amount.

 

Me too, guy has one of the best sinkers... when he can control it. Lots of upside still.

[Laika]

Cahill is going to be a starter for them, no? I don't think he'd have a shot here as a starter

 

He arguably has less of a shot there. #6 on their depth chart but the top 5 are all really strong.

[Maico450]

Sipp for 3/15 would be nice

 

Yeh I agree. Pen needs another top line LHP. If Loup doesn't get his sh-t together he will find himself on another team.

Cecil cant pitch every game as the lone reliable lefty out of the pen.

[burlingtonbandit]

Ugh, missing on Bud Norris for $2.5 and Cahill for $4.25 is extremely annoying.

 

Both in the same realm of talent as Chavez. Cost less in terms of $. Cost nothing in terms of Hendrickses.

 

I mean in a nutshell I'd prefer Chavez over either of them. Would have been nice to add Cahill as the #7 though.

 

Agree. That was my biggest issue with the trade. Rather just overpay one of those other arms to be fit the same role.

[HERPDERP]

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[KingKat]

Agree. That was my biggest issue with the trade. Rather just overpay one of those other arms to be fit the same role.

 

There's that and the fact that good relievers are signing for huge amounts. Hendriks could have been a steal on his contract. All he needed was some trust from the manager.

[Laika]

There's that and the fact that good relievers are signing for huge amounts. Hendriks could have been a steal on his contract. All he needed was some trust from the manager.

 

Toronto looks to have taken a very passive, low-key approach to the SP market, but that's not really the case.

 

They obviously took an educated guess at what the market would be, saw a boom coming, and decided to act swiftly at the start of free agency. So it was an aggressive approach - they acted fast and locked up Estrada, traded for Chavez and inked Happ all before the market was even set.

 

In being aggressive in this sense they accepted some risks. One risk was they they were overestimating how much it would take financially to sign one of the "swing-man" free agents like Norris or Cahill.

 

It seems like this might have happened... but the net benefit of the entire approach, if Happ and Estrada are sub-market deals, could still be there.

 

I think it's always important to look at the big picture because transactions never happen in a nutshell.

[KingKat]

Toronto looks to have taken a very passive, low-key approach to the SP market, but that's not really the case.

 

They obviously took an educated guess at what the market would be, saw a boom coming, and decided to act swiftly at the start of free agency. So it was an aggressive approach - they acted fast and locked up Estrada, traded for Chavez and inked Happ all before the market was even set.

 

In being aggressive in this sense they accepted some risks. One risk was they they were overestimating how much it would take financially to sign one of the "swing-man" free agents like Norris or Cahill.

 

It seems like this might have happened... but the net benefit of the entire approach, if Happ and Estrada are sub-market deals, could still be there.

 

I think it's always important to look at the big picture because transactions never happen in a nutshell.

 

Yeah I agree with all this. I don't love the Chavez trade in isolation but there's still a chance that they can find a cheap replacement for Hendriks which would balance out the overpayment for Chavez. If they gambled that it would be easier to find a Hendriks replacement then a guy like Chavez, I can't really fault that logic.

[Frenchsoup]

Toronto looks to have taken a very passive, low-key approach to the SP market, but that's not really the case.

 

They obviously took an educated guess at what the market would be, saw a boom coming, and decided to act swiftly at the start of free agency. So it was an aggressive approach - they acted fast and locked up Estrada, traded for Chavez and inked Happ all before the market was even set.

 

In being aggressive in this sense they accepted some risks. One risk was they they were overestimating how much it would take financially to sign one of the "swing-man" free agents like Norris or Cahill.

 

It seems like this might have happened... but the net benefit of the entire approach, if Happ and Estrada are sub-market deals, could still be there.

 

I think it's always important to look at the big picture because transactions never happen in a nutshell.

 

Norris signed so cheaply because they gave him a rotation spot i believe. Cahill is ok but i'd rather have Chavez for 2 years. I doubt he takes the same money from the Jays.