David Price Signs 7 year deal with Red Sox

[Spanky99]

What? I don't understand what this means. You're offended by my friend?

 

No, not at all.

[500LevelSTH]

Wow. This thread, jumped to end from page two....really hits a degree change

[FrozenRopes]

Oh, I understand now. Yes, you're right! However, it doesn't really address my point, which is that the elite performers in her field - of which she is among - are not compensated or appreciated as much as the elite performers in David Price's field. I understand the money part is just supply and demand, and all that; however, some people here have made the argument that David Price is one of about 5 people in the world who can do what he does. My friend is 1 of 3 people in the world with a high level of expertise in her field, and she's literally the only person in the world with a high level expertise specifically related to children. So, the supply is low, and the demand for her expertise is pretty high - 1 in 3000 people are affected with the disorder - although, it's nothing close to the North American demand for baseball entertainment, so again, I understand. It just puts a bad taste in my mouth, that's all.

 

Another way to look at it, 50-100 years from now, people will be citing her research, and looking at her therapies as a cornerstone of what lead to a dramatic increase in the quality of life for 1 in 3000 people, while nobody will give a crap about David Price because baseball will either be declining in popularity, or be played by robots. So, there's that. Ha ha!

 

Does she put asses in the seats?

 

/discussion

[JFD]

40 year old David Ortiz had an all star season and they still lost 84 games. that team is garbage even with Price.

[Spanky99]

40 year old David Ortiz had an all star season and they still lost 84 games. that team is garbage even with Price.

 

Well, that team just got much better with Price and Kimbrel , 6-8 wins better.

[Angrioter]

40 year old David Ortiz had an all star season and they still lost 84 games. that team is garbage even with Price.

 

Last place, and the next season won the WS.

 

Red Sox are good, bro.

Xander B, Betts, Castillo, Pedroia, Ortiz, Swithart, is a good core

[JaysAllMighty]

Dang. Knew we weren't gonna keep him but I wanted him out of the AL East.

 

With any luck we'll play against him in the ALCS.

[johnl]

Does anyone else feel the Nirvana song you know you're right really fits this Price deal

[KingKat]

Okay, fair enough. Well, there are many other experts in the disorder, but not in the specific area of it that she specializes in, which she basically discovered. Having 3 experts is really only due to how new it is. I don't really care if you believe me or not, and I don't really know if she's on track for a Nobel or not; I just said that it's possible because she is definitely on track for helping a great deal of people in a very significant way.

 

And yes, the disorder affects 1 in 3000 worldwide.

 

What I was trying to say earlier and didn't express very well is that any discussion about players' salaries versus other profession is ultimately about a lot more than just David Price. That being said that discussion isn't really dominating the thread anymore so I don't mind as much. If you feel like posting something that might re-ignite it, consider creating a separate thread. I have no issue with the discussion per se.

[Statman]

I guess dumnbrowski didn't learn his lesson with Verlander.

[Yorkshire Blue Jay]

I am not surprised by the contract years and numbers given to Price - It is inline with that of Scherzer last off season.

 

It sucks for us that he remains in the AL East.

 

Price's contract alone I think will provide good value going forward but on top of 3 poor contracts for Porcello, Ramirez and Sandoval means they have $90m tied up in 4 players for the next 4 years and that is really good news for us going forward. You could make that $104m if you include the aging and more injury prone per year Pedroia.

 

Part of me as a fan feels it's only money and not mine so I'd have loved Rogers to ponyed up and got Price, despite having a rich corporate owner in Rogers, they have consistently shown they do not want to enter the world of the Dodgers, Red Sox and Yankees in terms of payroll, this seems a surprise to the fans (or casuals as they are referred to on here) who showed they are willing to turn up and watch a winner when we were 2nd or 3rd in attendance for the last 2 months of 2015.

 

The Jays are on the longer road to try and become a smarter organisation that does it in other ways than purely throwing money at it, to try and have a bigger window of sustained success, but this move of Price to the Red Sox makes our task of winning next season tougher, which is a shame when this year will likely be the last of having Tulo, Donaldson, Martin, Edwin and Bautista together in the lineup.

 

The off season is yet young and there will be more twists and turns to come no doubt, but potentially good value pick ups for the rotation in Happ, Estrada and Chavez still leaves us with a far worse rotation than the one that finished last season.

[puphood]

Glad to see that the Jays once again are going to be doing nothing but half measures and are going with a generally mediocre approach to the offseason. Woohoo, JA Happ, that will make your team a contender. That and Chavez being the only two acquisitions, and likely the only two acquisitions of note is beyond pathetic after how much revenue was generated from July on.

 

I would not have paid the Price on David, but the fact they came out and said that they aren't targeting anyone of merit is frustrating. This team has a short window, perhaps as little as one more season. Wouldn't want to actually try and win. Might cost you 15 extra million dollars. Never mind that you'd get that back 5-10 fold over the season.

 

Stingy cheap ass owners that will only do things to a point and no further. Yes, they have a top 10 payroll, but for how much revenue they have, they can easily afford to be top 5 considering they have an entire country supporting them. They aren't Tampa or Oakland where they literally have zero dollars to play with. Rogers is rolling in cash.

 

If/when the Jays struggle this season, which is likely if Estrada, Happ and Chavez regress from career seasons, then it will get ugly.

 

Agreed. The David Price cost would have been to much. However the disheartening feeling I am getting is that the Jays will not make a move on anyone of note to strengthen the SP. I think it is now becoming increasingly clear why they brought in Shapiro and more importantly why AA left. I don't think they have any intention of making a winning ball team as a .500 team will generate enough revenue for their needs. I am so hoping I am wrong.

[Brownie19]

I guess dumnbrowski didn't learn his lesson with Verlander.

 

I think you missed how good Verlander was last year. His 2.8 WAR over 20 starts prorates to 4.6 WAR over a full season, which would have ranked him 14th in the majors, ahead of Harvey, Hamels & Ceuto

[Brownie19]

Agreed. The David Price cost would have been to much. However the disheartening feeling I am getting is that the Jays will not make a move on anyone of note to strengthen the SP. I think it is now becoming increasingly clear why they brought in Shapiro and more importantly why AA left. I don't think they have any intention of making a winning ball team as a .500 team will generate enough revenue for their needs. I am so hoping I am wrong.

 

You realise Happ was the 28th most valuable starting pitcher in the majors last year eh?

[BigCecil]

Yay, being content with 3rd place finishes.

 

The Jays need a #2/3 starter and 2 pen arms still. They aren't going to spend on those pieces. They don't have anything to trade for those pieces unless they want to create another hole in another position. They will win a lot of games due to their offense, but it is doubtful that it'll be enough to win the division, especially with teams that don't have arbitrary financial constraints.

 

Lots can happen in this game. Far too early to declare us dead. BoSox off season in 2014 was seen as strong and they flamed out. Last Spring training we lost our LF and Stro to freak injuries nobody saw coming. Things happen that change probabilities. Would I love to have another front end SP? Of course, but I'm glad we didn't do the Price or Zimm deals. This team may not be done in the FA and trade market.

[BigCecil]

40 year old David Ortiz had an all star season and they still lost 84 games. that team is garbage even with Price.

 

Forget about BoSox 2015. 2016 they look very strong to me at this point with their mixture of young and older talent bolstered by Price/Kimbrel. Things change so fast. BoSox cratered under Valentine...made a number of moves and the next year won the WS. One season isn't indicative of the next, especially with their spending power.

[Governator]

Good for Price... really you can never blame a guy taking a record breaking deal no matter what team he signs with. The Red Sox on the other hand.... hahahahahaha

[BTS]

Forget about BoSox 2015. 2016 they look very strong to me at this point with their mixture of young and older talent bolstered by Price/Kimbrel. Things change so fast. BoSox cratered under Valentine...made a number of moves and the next year won the WS. One season isn't indicative of the next, especially with their spending power.

 

C - Swihart

1B - Ramirez

2B - Pedroia

3B - Sandoval

SS - Bogaerts

CF - Betts

RF - Bradley

LF - Young/Castillo

DH -Ortiz

 

OF - Young/Castillo

1B/3B - Shaw

Util - Holt

C - Vasquez

 

Price

Buttholez

Rodriguez

Porcello

Miley

 

Kimbrel, Uehara, Tazawa, Ross

 

That's a very good team. No weaknesses if Sandoval can rebound back to league average.

[Sammy225]

C - Swihart

1B - Ramirez

2B - Pedroia

3B - Sandoval

SS - Bogaerts

CF - Betts

RF - Bradley

LF - Young/Castillo

DH -Ortiz

 

OF - Young/Castillo

1B/3B - Shaw

Util - Holt

C - Vasquez

 

Price

Buttholez

Rodriguez

Porcello

Miley

 

Kimbrel, Uehara, Tazawa, Ross

 

That's a very good team. No weaknesses if Sandoval can rebound back to league average.

 

They have a great lineup (With everyone healthey one of the best) i am just not convinced of their rotation.... Behind price i don't see that rotation being any better then ours.

[Brownie19]

Man - Boston's OF has a chance to be special IF JBJ's "breakout" is real and Castillo can make the necessary adjustments.

[BTS]

They have a great lineup (With everyone healthey one of the best) i am just not convinced of their rotation.... Behind price i don't see that rotation being any better then ours.

 

The rotations are actually pretty similar after Price and Stroman. A bunch of league-average mid rotation guys.

[BigCecil]

They have a great lineup (With everyone healthey one of the best) i am just not convinced of their rotation.... Behind price i don't see that rotation being any better then ours.

 

That's fair. This season, like many, probably comes down to health and depth. If the rotations are even sans Price it will be interesting to see what Stro puts up for added wins over full season(assuming he has one).

[Sammy225]

That's fair. This season, like many, probably comes down to health and depth. If the rotations are even sans Price it will be interesting to see what Stro puts up for added wins over full season(assuming he has one).

 

That and we will see what our Bullpen looks like come April. Would be nice to get Lowe back and another Solid Lefty to give Cecil some help

[500LevelSTH]

Red Sox had two fewer wins that Jaya over final 6 weeks. Bosox gave TO trouble all season with a mediocre squad. boston is the slam dunk favorite to win AL East right now. Love the Jays, but you can pnly win by 5-6 runs so many times until your pitching or lack of catches you in postseason. Jays have more questions now at SP, Pen, OF, C and Inf than boston. If youre hoping for stars to allign, thats a big dice roller. Lets hope theyre in the mix near deadline and can find an ace on the market then. No need for $20-30m/year starters when rent a players provide lower risk. Lots of work to be done this offseason, its still young.

[Boxcar]

Red Sox had two fewer wins that Jaya over final 6 weeks. Bosox gave TO trouble all season with a mediocre squad. boston is the slam dunk favorite to win AL East right now. Love the Jays, but you can pnly win by 5-6 runs so many times until your pitching or lack of catches you in postseason. Jays have more questions now at SP, Pen, OF, C and Inf than boston. If youre hoping for stars to allign, thats a big dice roller. Lets hope theyre in the mix near deadline and can find an ace on the market then. No need for $20-30m/year starters when rent a players provide lower risk. Lots of work to be done this offseason, its still young.

 

Lol

[BTS]

Red Sox had two fewer wins that Jaya over final 6 weeks. Bosox gave TO trouble all season with a mediocre squad. boston is the slam dunk favorite to win AL East right now. Love the Jays, but you can pnly win by 5-6 runs so many times until your pitching or lack of catches you in postseason. Jays have more questions now at SP, Pen, OF, C and Inf than boston. If youre hoping for stars to allign, thats a big dice roller. Lets hope theyre in the mix near deadline and can find an ace on the market then. No need for $20-30m/year starters when rent a players provide lower risk. Lots of work to be done this offseason, its still young.

 

All of this was stupid, but the Jays having more questions at C than Boston is particularly ridiculous.

[thatoneguy]

Agreed. The David Price cost would have been to much. However the disheartening feeling I am getting is that the Jays will not make a move on anyone of note to strengthen the SP. I think it is now becoming increasingly clear why they brought in Shapiro and more importantly why AA left. I don't think they have any intention of making a winning ball team as a .500 team will generate enough revenue for their needs. I am so hoping I am wrong.

 

lol

[TheHurl]

C - Swihart

1B - Ramirez

2B - Pedroia

3B - Sandoval

SS - Bogaerts

CF - Betts

RF - Bradley

LF - Young/Castillo

DH -Ortiz

 

OF - Young/Castillo

1B/3B - Shaw

Util - Holt

C - Vasquez

 

Price

Buttholez

Rodriguez

Porcello

Miley

 

Kimbrel, Uehara, Tazawa, Ross

 

That's a very good team. No weaknesses if Sandoval can rebound back to league average.

 

Steamer and Depth Charts now have the Red Sox solidly out in front of the AL in team WAR (with 115 WAR still in free agency of course).

 

Interesting to hear that the Cards were the runner up in the Price sweepstakes. Wainwright, Price, Martinez, Garcia, Wacha, Gonzalez, Lyons, Reyes would be a kind of insane rotation/position of trading depth, and still wouldn't be a top 5 payroll. I wonder if the thought process was sign a pitcher and trade Wacha for an OF.

[Sammy225]

Red Sox had two fewer wins that Jaya over final 6 weeks. Bosox gave TO trouble all season with a mediocre squad. boston is the slam dunk favorite to win AL East right now. Love the Jays, but you can pnly win by 5-6 runs so many times until your pitching or lack of catches you in postseason. Jays have more questions now at SP, Pen, OF, C and Inf than boston. If youre hoping for stars to allign, thats a big dice roller. Lets hope theyre in the mix near deadline and can find an ace on the market then. No need for $20-30m/year starters when rent a players provide lower risk. Lots of work to be done this offseason, its still young.

 

So your saying Swihart > Martin who saves more runs that most of the league, and Bostons IF which had Panda come off a -2WAR season and no first baseman as of right now (Hanely just came off a -1WAR season who has never played first before). Is better then our Donaldson, Tulo, Travis and TBD....

 

Having a hard time taking this seriously

[Governator]

Holy f*** Jeff Blair show taking call ins is just f***ing noise, especially when Blair advocates how he would have put up that money for him if it was his money.