Dan Shulman joining Jays broadcast crew next year!

[Brownie19]

Yeah, find me a teacher than isn't working at least 4 hours at home every night and I'll find you a teacher that doesn't last more than a year....

 

Well they're only on the clock for 5.5 hrs a day, so sorry, but 9.5 hr days isn't anything to write home about...I guess I should expect my neighbours to get fired here soon too...that's unfortunate.

[Brownie19]

I have so much respect for the teachers I've had in my life. Trust me, you guys have no idea what kind of s*** these people deal with, lol.

 

Kids these days!

 

I respect what they do. I don't respect how they act. Our province is broke and they are striking because the province is going to cut their TWENTY sick days and not allow them to carry them over.

 

They also rejected a 12% pay increase in 2008 in the middle of the largest recession since 1929 when real workers were being laid off, taking pay cuts and/or working on reduced hours (so others could keep their jobs). Oh and they make tax payers pay them for all their negotiation fees? That's awesome. Please let me pay you to suck the coffers dry. Right on. Now all they do is complain about how hard they have to work for all their benefits. Boo hoo.

[Krylian]

Somebody please rename this the 'Bashing Teachers/Fondling Their Balls Thread'

[Cookie]

I have so much respect for the teachers I've had in my life. Trust me, you guys have no idea what kind of s*** these people deal with, lol.

 

Kids these days!

 

And parents these days! I am not a teacher but many of my friends are and they have horror stories. I have 2 kids in elementary school and I see parents every day. Parents be crazy.

 

the 9-3:30 with 2 hours of breaks in the day argument makes me laugh and wonder if people have ever actually been in school. My kids' school starts at 8:15. Teachers are already there. They are supervising in the play ground and running early morning clubs or practices. We had conferences last week. Teachers there until 8:00pm 3 nights in a row. Drive past a school any time outside of school hours and there are a few cars there.

 

Somewhere I saw someone say the avg teacher is paid 100K in Alberta-that's not true. A teacher with a masters and 15 years experience can make 92K. The average is somewhere in the high 50's IIRC.

[intrigid]

Teachers are already there. They are supervising in the play ground and running early morning clubs or practices.

 

Another great example of how useless teachers are and how useful they think they actually are. Playground supervisor, Jesus Christ. And I'm a female body inspector, give me money.

[Cookie]

Another great example of how useless teachers are and how useful they think they actually are. Playground supervisor, Jesus Christ. And I'm a female body inspector, give me money.

 

So you don't think three hundred 6-10 year old kids need to be watched? lol.

[Grant77]

So you don't think three hundred 6-10 year old kids need to be watched? lol.

 

They didn't need to be watched in the nineties...

[Cookie]

They didn't need to be watched in the nineties...

 

I think they were and you just don't recall. I was born in 1980 and I definitely recall teachers on the playground before school and at lunch.

[Grant77]

I think they were and you just don't recall. I was born in 1980 and I definitely recall teachers on the playground before school and at lunch.

 

I remember one of the teachers would come out during every recess and smoke by the door. We're just so obsessed with 'bullying' now that kids can't even play sports on the playground now without getting into trouble.

[Krylian]

The bottom line is this...

 

There is blame on both sides.

 

Some parents are f***ing retarded morons that complain about everything and have no clue.

 

Some teachers are idiots and only went into the profession to get the summers off. The passion is not there so they suck at their jobs.

 

As a result the broad brushes come out. Teaching is not an easy job... But there is good compensation there... If you're good at it, it's because you care and want to be good at it (like anything else).

 

Teaching was a quick 1 year at teachers college and boom you're a teacher (I think that's been changed to two years now). Make it much harder to become a teacher... Then you'll get the ones that really want to do it... That's how you get good teachers.

 

As for parents... And let's be honest... It's mostly mother's... Sit down. Shut up. And stop making a production out of everything. My parents went to the school for parent teacher interview. That's it. If a kid f***ed up when I was young the parent always took the teachers side. Now, little assflap Nicky picks a fight and his parents take his side. Parents are trying to be their kids friends and take their side on everything rather than be a parent and discipline when warranted.

 

Sorry... My post took a few tangents but once i started going new pet peeves just kept coming up.

 

I'm done now.

[Cookie]

I remember one of the teachers would come out during every recess and smoke by the door.

 

Haha. Did you grow up in Quebec? I spent 2 years in Montreal while in high school and I remember teachers smoking in their offices.

[Grant77]

Haha. Did you grow up in Quebec? I spent 2 years in Montreal while in high school and I remember teachers smoking in their offices.

 

Northern Ontario. Never saw teachers smoke in the school, but they always would at recess.

[Captain Adama]

Another great example of how useless teachers are and how useful they think they actually are. Playground supervisor, Jesus Christ. And I'm a female body inspector, give me money.

 

You're posts are utterly ignorant. Just stop.

[intrigid]

So you don't think three hundred 6-10 year old kids need to be watched? lol.

No I don't, lol.

 

f*** I'm so sick of society and this pussy ass bubble wrap helicopter parent mentality that just seems to be spreading untreated like cancer.

[intrigid]

You're posts are utterly ignorant. Just stop.

 

Make me.

[Atothe]

No I don't, lol.

 

f*** I'm so sick of society and this pussy ass bubble wrap helicopter parent mentality that just seems to be spreading untreated like cancer.

 

I agree with the premise but you worded it like an ignorant fool

[Krylian]

Make me.

 

Mods

[Cookie]

I agree with the premise but you worded it like an ignorant fool

 

plus 4 teachers on the playground with a bunch of kids hardly equals helicopter parenting.

[admin]

Teaching is not 9-5 though. Lots of extra time doing prep work and marking etc.

 

That's true. I'm not say it's easy work, but it is a pretty good gig. Like I said especially here with the cost of living. It may not be 9-5, and there is a lot of prep work and marking. But you're there 8:30-3:30 with an hour lunch. That's a six hour day with an hour lunch.

 

 

Go ahead and become a teacher. Tell me how awesome your job is after a few years of actually being a teacher, even with the reasonable (but not amazing) salary and the exceptional vacation days. People that try to get into the field for that end up failing out of the field. It's tough work, but people who excel at it deserve it.

 

Also, teachers deserve our respect, not our derision. They train EVERYONE. Anyone who has ever done anything worthwhile in society has had dozens of teachers, so they shouldn't be disparaged.

 

I exaggerated a bit, but if that's what you want to do, it's a great job. I wouldn't get into it simply for pay/vacation, but if that's what you wanted to do, it's a pretty good lifestyle. I'm fine with teachers getting paid even more, and focus more on the ones that really want to be there. I think it was South Korea that pays teachers on the same levels as doctors.

[Laika]

Teaching is a twisted profession in Ontario, man. The unions have so much leverage that they basically get everything they want. That's the inherent problem with massive unions in the public sector - money isn't really limited because the gov can always shift more to education or raise taxes.

 

The compensation is kind of crazy, all things considered (salary + time off + benefits + sick day entitlement + other things). It's such an attractive lifestyle that people have been flocking into teacher's college by the thousands. Now, obviously, there is a huge glut of young people trying to get into the profession and unless you speak French or want to move to Northern Ontario it takes about a decade on a supply list to actually get a full time job. And the crazy f***ing unions have negotiated everything based on seniority hiring, and they can only interview the top 5 in seniority for every job. So talented and passionate young people - the type who make great teachers and coach sports teams and have a passion for the job - are graduating from teacher's college, getting slapped in the face by the market reality and then switching professions. The result is that the people who become full time teachers eventually will be, generally speaking, the more stupid and untalented people who have no better options than supply teaching until their 30's. Now the Ontario Liberals have made teacher's college two years long to try to stem the flow of graduated teachers, which is just f***ing retarded and unnecessary and a total cash grab. Six years of education to teach Kindergarten? f*** off Kathleen Wynne. So dumb.

[admin]

My son started kindergarten this year and all the teachers there are pretty good looking. Apparently that's a requirement now.

[Grant77]

Teaching is a twisted profession in Ontario, man. The unions have so much leverage that they basically get everything they want. That's the inherent problem with massive unions in the public sector - money isn't really limited because the gov can always shift more to education or raise taxes.

 

The compensation is kind of crazy, all things considered (salary + time off + benefits + sick day entitlement + other things). It's such an attractive lifestyle that people have been flocking into teacher's college by the thousands. Now, obviously, there is a huge glut of young people trying to get into the profession and unless you speak French or want to move to Northern Ontario it takes about a decade on a supply list to actually get a full time job. And the crazy f***ing unions have negotiated everything based on seniority hiring, and they can only interview the top 5 in seniority for every job. So talented and passionate young people - the type who make great teachers and coach sports teams and have a passion for the job - are graduating from teacher's college, getting slapped in the face by the market reality and then switching professions. The result is that the people who become full time teachers eventually will be, generally speaking, the more stupid and untalented people who have no better options than supply teaching until their 30's. Now the Ontario Liberals have made teacher's college two years long to try to stem the flow of graduated teachers, which is just f***ing retarded and unnecessary and a total cash grab. Six years of education to teach Kindergarten? f*** off Kathleen Wynne. So dumb.

 

Teaching jobs are just as difficult to get in Northern Ontario, even in the small communities and reserves. Most people from here seem to go to South Korea and England from what I've heard.

[Grant77]

My son started kindergarten this year and all the teachers there are pretty good looking. Apparently that's a requirement now.

 

We've all seen many attractive women get jobs without the necessary qualifications. That's certainly not unique to teaching.

[Krylian]

My son started kindergarten this year and all the teachers there are pretty good looking. Apparently that's a requirement now.

 

As it should be.

[BigRed]

I can tell you - as a teacher - there's never enough time off. I moved to Asia where I get less vacation time but, unlike Canada, I get paid for it.

 

I was a bit shocked in Canada actually - two of the supposed "perks" of being a teacher is 1) the teacher pension and 2) summer's off. Unfortunately, in the case of number 1 - teachers pay 100% of the teacher pension which is 10% of your paycheque - gone. It's not a perk if you're paying for basically a glorified mutual fund that you have no say in choosing (eesh). And the summer's off - well you don't get paid. And if you don't have a full time position (most don't) then you may not even have enough to apply for EI - summer jobs are fine when you're a young guy - maybe you can do roofing like my friend - he made more roofing in two months than his entire year teacher salary - but man doing that at 50+ I dunno. And the full time teachers - well the average teacher week is close to 60 hours so it seems somewhat reasonable to add up the 20 hours per week overage and dump that into a holiday. When I worked private sector at 36 hours per week after 20 years or whatever we were getting up to 6-7 weeks "paid" vacation - so giving the teacher working significantly more hours 8 weeks of unpaid vacation seems reasonable.

 

Someone was upset about the seeming high paid and easy job teaching was - when I read that I usually wonder - if it such a great gig why aren't they doing it? You only need an A- average or better in your BA or B.Sc along with heaps of volunteer experience to get in. $50,000 or so in Student loans if you go to a cheapish university and then you basically have to spend ~10 years as a substitute teacher making ~$22,000 a year (and you need a reliable car) and treated like crap for those ten years - how many people remember that great substitute they had? So it's just hold the fort down and hope the kids don't set you on fire when you're not looking. Damn - give me that stupid unpaid vacation so I can spend those weeks eating canned tuna - me and the neighbor cat dined together often - I mean I'd date but when all you can afford is canned tuna and you smell like fish - well it's not exactly Daniel Craig.

 

So anyone out there in Jay's forum land with kids - for PETE SAKE - do NOT let your kids become a teacher - yes there are some old farts making good money sitting on their ass with a pretty fat pension and good salary and oodles of time off - but those days are gone for younger bucks. Do NOT let your kids become a teacher - Big fat waste of time and will likely ensure they wind up in the poor house.

 

Be an accountant/engineer/software geek/plumber/chiropractor/fitness trainer/ - no stress AT ALL - tedious yes - triple the money - and when you ask for a 2% raise and for the company to fix your working environment - it doesn't get debated for months in the press with everyone calling you a lazy over-paid prick.

 

Not like Baseball players eh? $10,000,000 to throw and catch and maybe hit a ball 1/3 of the time (bunch of failures). Paying these bums to make outs 6 times out of every 10 times they come to the plate - up to $30 mil for that level of incompetence. And they get 4-5 months off.

 

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My Grade 9 French teacher and 10-12 Spanish teacher was 25 years old when I was in grade 9, and she had started I think 1-2 years prior. In grade 9 my science teacher was fresh out of university/teacher's college. She looked like she was 19 years old. There were quite a few young teachers at my highschool, but this was back in 2000-2004, I know the market has been flooded with teachers over the years.

 

The pay is pretty ridiculous once you get in fulltime, not to mention the large amounts of vacation time.

 

The biggest problem with the entire field (especially in Ontario) is the unions have been bought off by a certain left-winged government, and the market has been flooded. The top two reasons people get into the job is because of the pay and the vacation... not because they actually want to teach. People end up with loads of debt, we have more teachers than we need, so they leave the province or go to the states where the pay is s***.

 

But lets not kid anyone, if you're top of your class and a solid teacher you will find a job, and after you've put in a few years you have it made. Teaching is one of the best middle-class jobs in Ontario, along with policing, firefighting, nursing and most other public sector work.

[Grant77]

My Grade 9 French teacher and 10-12 Spanish teacher was 25 years old when I was in grade 9, and she had started I think 1-2 years prior. In grade 9 my science teacher was fresh out of university/teacher's college. She looked like she was 19 years old. There were quite a few young teachers at my highschool, but this was back in 2000-2004, I know the market has been flooded with teachers over the years.

 

The pay is pretty ridiculous once you get in fulltime, not to mention the large amounts of vacation time.

 

The biggest problem with the entire field (especially in Ontario) is the unions have been bought off by a certain left-winged government, and the market has been flooded. The top two reasons people get into the job is because of the pay and the vacation... not because they actually want to teach. People end up with loads of debt, we have more teachers than we need, so they leave the province or go to the states where the pay is s***.

 

But lets not kid anyone, if you're top of your class and a solid teacher you will find a job, and after you've put in a few years you have it made. Teaching is one of the best middle-class jobs in Ontario, along with policing, firefighting, nursing and most other public sector work.

 

If anyone disputes this, consider the fact that I've been offered to teach multiple classes on multiple occasions at the local college, but didn't have the time. Meanwhile, qualified teachers on the supply list won't take it because it's contract work for mediocre pay. If they loved teaching, there would be a lot more competition for these jobs. I didn't even feel qualified for it to be honest.

[Captain Adama]

If anyone disputes this, consider the fact that I've been offered to teach multiple classes on multiple occasions at the local college, but didn't have the time. Meanwhile, qualified teachers on the supply list won't take it because it's contract work for mediocre pay. If they loved teaching, there would be a lot more competition for these jobs. I didn't even feel qualified for it to be honest.

 

Community colleges usually don't even want actual teachers, just people experienced in their field.

[Grant77]

Community colleges usually don't even want actual teachers, just people experienced in their field.

 

I don't know anything about it, so you're probably right. I found those types the most difficult to learn from in University. They had no idea how to teach a class and it was their first time. Add a bad foreign accent in there and it was hell sometimes.

[thatoneguy]

Community colleges usually don't even want actual teachers, just people experienced in their field.

 

It's not just community colleges. I've had several professors between two major universities that fall into this category. It makes the subject so much more of a pain in the ass to learn.

[BigRed]

It makes sense for community colleges to do that though, especially if you're taking a technical program like mechanical design/engineering for example, somebody from the private sector who's been doing the job for 10-20 years, worked their way up to a supervisor / manager or higher is probably going to be able to explain the technical/practical aspects of the class very well, but they might not be a good lecturer.