Sooo... when is it appropriate for AA to announce his deal with the Marlins?

[saskjayfan]

What I'll admit is that a few of you have no idea what you're talking about. Listing all those moves as "meh" is hilarious. The Kemp deal alone was far better than the Donaldson trade.

 

 

you get testy when someone talks bad about your idol. You jerk off yet to your friedman poster today. Somehow you think I'm posting to prove Friedman is not a good baseball executive. I never said he was a bad executive. I simply pointed out the Rollins trade was terrible. The Dodgers paid 32 million dollars to get Grandal who is injury prone and won't as much WAR in 4 years as Donaldson did in 1 year. How is that deal far better than the Donaldson trade. LA has unlimited funds so clearling 15 mil a year salary isn't that impressive.

[THANOS]

What I'll admit is that a few of you have no idea what you're talking about. Listing all those moves as "meh" is hilarious. The Kemp deal alone was far better than the Donaldson trade.

 

Come on, that's a bit much..

[IBTrini]

...through strategies that are now no longer possible. I don't understand why people just assume that we'll be able to rebuild the system in 1-2 drafts (like before) when we can no longer go out and acquire multiple picks and accumulate large bonus pools. The very nature of fielding a winning team means that we will now not only draft near the bottom, but we'll also have among the smallest allocated bonus pools. Just look at how our most recent draft turned out with no extra picks and no extra money allocated to our bonus pool: only a couple of guys look legitimately interesting, and I'm not sure how many of those (if any) have actual impact upside. We did however continue our tradition of botching a top selection on a kid that didn't end up signing, which means that our haul this year ranks in the bottom half league wide.

I cannot argue against those loopholes no longer being available but Anthopoulos was smart enough to see the situation for what it was and capitalized on it. I believe he has a keen mind and with his compliments of scouts/other team members I feel his choices would have been solid. Once again my perspective on Anthopoulos' skills cannot be verified so I will just leave it as it is. I understand you see it differently and I respect that. I just feel nervous going forward cuz the plan was clear to Anthopoulos so Shapiro stands a good chance of mucking it up - but I could be wrong.

[Boxcar]

you get testy when someone talks bad about your idol. You jerk off yet to your friedman poster today. Somehow you think I'm posting to prove Friedman is not a good baseball executive. I never said he was a bad executive. I simply pointed out the Rollins trade was terrible. The Dodgers paid 32 million dollars to get Grandal who is injury prone and won't as much WAR in 4 years as Donaldson did in 1 year. How is that deal far better than the Donaldson trade. LA has unlimited funds so clearling 15 mil a year salary isn't that impressive.

 

You are not very intelligent in the realm of baseball, and I would project that to extend to many other areas as well.

[Boxcar]

Come on, that's a bit much..

 

In terms of value? It was the Vernon Wells deal on steroids.

[Jimcanuck]

I cannot argue against those loopholes no longer being available but Anthopoulos was smart enough to see the situation for what it was and capitalized on it. I believe he has a keen mind and with his compliments of scouts/other team members I feel his choices would have been solid. Once again my perspective on Anthopoulos' skills cannot be verified so I will just leave it as it is. I understand you see it differently and I respect that. I just feel nervous going forward cuz the plan was clear to Anthopoulos so Shapiro stands a good chance of mucking it up - but I could be wrong.

 

Going 'all-in' isn't much of a plan.

[Rusty_Savage]

You are not very intelligent in the realm of baseball, and I would project that to extend to many other areas as well.

 

"Won't as much WAR IN 4 years as Donaldson did in one" is making my head hurt. On many levels

[KingKat]

You jerk off yet to your friedman poster today.

 

Look I know Boxy doesn't always play nice but this is still out of line.

[GD]

You are not very intelligent in the realm of baseball, and I would project that to extend to many other areas as well.

 

Can you not quote him because I can't unread "(Grandal) won't as much WAR in 4 years as Donaldson did in 1 year"

[BTS]

you get testy when someone talks bad about your idol. You jerk off yet to your friedman poster today. Somehow you think I'm posting to prove Friedman is not a good baseball executive. I never said he was a bad executive. I simply pointed out the Rollins trade was terrible. The Dodgers paid 32 million dollars to get Grandal who is injury prone and won't as much WAR in 4 years as Donaldson did in 1 year. How is that deal far better than the Donaldson trade. LA has unlimited funds so clearling 15 mil a year salary isn't that impressive.

 

So clearing $75M while also picking up 4 years of Grandal is unimpressive because something about unlimited funds, while taking a 1/10 gamble on a guy that anyone would have projected at close to 2 wins was a terrible decision?

 

I'm not exactly following you here.

[saskjayfan]

You are not very intelligent in the realm of baseball, and I would project that to extend to many other areas as well.

 

Yes, I'm dumn because I disagree with you. The Donaldson trade wasn't really that good at all. There are you happy...lol.

[Boxcar]

Can you not quote him because I can't unread "(Grandal) won't as much WAR in 4 years as Donaldson did in 1 year"

 

I'll make sure of that

[Boxcar]

Yes, I'm dumn because I disagree with you. The Donaldson trade wasn't really that good at all. There are you happy...lol.

 

Wow, two distinct strawmen in a post that didn't reach two lines, impressive. Surely you can see why debating with you is a waste of time because a) you don't understand anything and you make intellectually dishonest statements.

[saskjayfan]

So clearing $75M while also picking up 4 years of Grandal is unimpressive because something about unlimited funds, while taking a 1/10 gamble on a guy that anyone would have projected at close to 2 wins was a terrible decision?

 

I'm not exactly following you here.

 

I never said the trade was unimpressive. Grandal is a decent player. I think having one single player as valuable as donaldson provides insane value. To suggest that the kemp trade was far superior to the donaldson trade is outright hatred for one GM and infatuation for another. Donaldson got paid less than 5 million dollars this year and put up almost a 9 WAR...5 mil per WAR that's a shitload of money saved and Donaldson is going to look pretty f***ing good at 12 mil next year. Rollins was 36 this year and had injury issues with his legs last September.

[saskjayfan]

Wow, two distinct strawmen in a post that didn't reach two lines, impressive. Surely you can see why debating with you is a waste of time because a) you don't understand anything and you make intellectually dishonest statements.

 

Please enlighten me oh wise one. Which one of my statements was intellectually dishonest.

[IBTrini]

Going 'all-in' isn't much of a plan.

If you view the "all-in" as the whole plan, the be all and end all, then it isn't much of a plan but that means you are short-changing Anthopoulos' vision. Winning the WS should be a major part of planning so sometimes you need to choose the time to make big, decisive moves. Putting a contender on the field for the fans is another huge part of the plan - it ignites the passions of the fans and brings the city, and country, together in a common cause. This also increases revenue streams through increased attendance, viewership etc.

 

With that said, if you think Anthopoulos is not capable of assessing the current and future situation then it is better if he is not here but I do not believe that to be the case. I guess with him gone there is no way to see what would have been his moves going forward. If there is one thing I am sure of is Anthopoulos' unpredictability - just when you think you can see all of his possible options he comes up with something unbelievably out of the blue.

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[saskjayfan]

Can you not quote him because I can't unread "(Grandal) won't as much WAR in 4 years as Donaldson did in 1 year"

 

I'm typing and playing with my baby at the same time. Grandal won't produce as much WAR in 4 years as Donaldson did in 1 year. There happy. Call me when you're responsible for more than just going to high school.

[Boxcar]

Please enlighten me oh wise one. Which one of my statements was intellectually dishonest.

 

I really try to reserve this for special occassions, kind of like an expensive bottle of wine...but you are truly stupid. Are you incapable of reading? Is thinking painful? Give me something.

[saskjayfan]

I really try to reserve this for special occassions, kind of like an expensive bottle of wine...but you are truly stupid. Are you incapable of reading? Is thinking painful? Give me something.

 

You're saving for those special occasions, like the times you spend 18 dollars on a bottle of wine. Got it. The kemp trade was far superior to the donaldson trade. You have deemed it so, therefore it is. Thanks again yoda.

[Jimcanuck]

If you view the "all-in" as the whole plan, the be all and end all, then it isn't much of a plan but that means you are short-changing Anthopoulos' vision. Winning the WS should be a major part of planning so sometimes you need to choose the time to make big, decisive moves. Putting a contender on the field for the fans is another huge part of the plan - it ignites the passions of the fans and brings the city, and country, together in a common cause. This also increases revenue streams through increased attendance, viewership etc.

 

With that said, if you think Anthopoulos is not capable of assessing the current and future situation then it is better if he is not here but I do not believe that to be the case. I guess with him gone there is no way to see what would have been his moves going forward. If there is one thing I am sure of is Anthopoulos' unpredictability - just when you think you can see all of his possible options he comes up with something unbelievably out of the blue.

 

Well AA has certainly been unpredictable that is true. But moving significant prospect talent to acquire Dickey in the first unsuccessful 'all-in move' and follow that up with potentially even worse moves to get Tulo and Price for the second unsuccessful 'all-in move' has set the organization back many years. The Leafs have proven trading youth for veterans rarely works out.

[burlingtonbandit]

Well AA has certainly been unpredictable that is true. But moving significant prospect talent to acquire Dickey in the first unsuccessful 'all-in move' and follow that up with potentially even worse moves to get Tulo and Price for the second unsuccessful 'all-in move' has set the organization back many years. The Leafs have proven trading youth for veterans rarely works out.

 

Wtf is this s***? The Tulo and Price trades will never be as bad as the dickey trade.

[glory]

If you view the "all-in" as the whole plan, the be all and end all, then it isn't much of a plan but that means you are short-changing Anthopoulos' vision. Winning the WS should be a major part of planning so sometimes you need to choose the time to make big, decisive moves. Putting a contender on the field for the fans is another huge part of the plan - it ignites the passions of the fans and brings the city, and country, together in a common cause. This also increases revenue streams through increased attendance, viewership etc.

 

With that said, if you think Anthopoulos is not capable of assessing the current and future situation then it is better if he is not here but I do not believe that to be the case. I guess with him gone there is no way to see what would have been his moves going forward. If there is one thing I am sure of is Anthopoulos' unpredictability - just when you think you can see all of his possible options he comes up with something unbelievably out of the blue.

 

In 2013, he acquired two players from the Marlins that were owed a combined $144m over five years ($48m for Buehrle and $96m for Reyes). That covered age 30-35 for Reyes and age 34-36 for Buehrle. He traded two of his best prospects to get Dickey from age 38-41. He turned Reyes into $100m of Tulo that covers ages 31-35. He gave Russell Martin $82m from age 32-36. Noticing a pattern here?

 

AA built a short-term window. When the first try didn't work, he doubled down. There is no evidence to suggest he'd scale back and trade vets to get younger. If anything, we've only seen the opposite over the past couple of years, unless you count when he first took over and traded Wells/Marcum, but that was when he was mandated to cut payroll. Not exactly the same scenario here.

[Jimcanuck]

Wtf is this s***? The Tulo and Price trades will never be as bad as the dickey trade.

 

I said potentially worse. Significant talent went the other way in both cases (and I don't mean Reyes).

[Spanky99]

AA will sign with the Marlins, morons.

[burlingtonbandit]

I said potentially worse. Significant talent went the other way in both cases (and I don't mean Reyes).

 

Sure but they don't have the potential of Syndergaard or d'Arnaud? Also Tulo and Price are much better than Dickey. Making the ALCS because of the trades does count for a whole lot as well.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Well AA has certainly been unpredictable that is true. But moving significant prospect talent to acquire Dickey in the first unsuccessful 'all-in move' and follow that up with potentially even worse moves to get Tulo and Price for the second unsuccessful 'all-in move' has set the organization back many years..

 

Dude, chill on this stuff. We almost made the World Series this year because of AA's moves. Isn't that the goal? With a bit of luck we would have been in the Fall Classic. It was a good trade. Even in hindsight I would do 100 times of 100. This season was so much fun!

[Harvey_Specter]

AA is a expo's fan. the man left the blue jays based on principle. it would be ironic if he ends up working for loria

 

Left on principle...Or so it seems...I am speculating that AA left because of sour grapes with Rogers. Rogers basically slapped him in the face when they originally offered a 1 year deal (later changed it to a 5 year deal after the fan base jumped on AA's bandwagon).

 

Then, they hired a president to be involved more in baseball operations and I wonder if AA wanted consideration for the president's job. I mean, in AA's eyes I wonder if he felt he could have done a better job than Shapiro in that role?

 

When someone internal gets looked over for a promotion they usually jump ship.

[Jimcanuck]

Dude, chill on this stuff. We almost made the World Series this year because of AA's moves. Isn't that the goal? With a bit of luck we would have been in the Fall Classic. It was a good trade. Even in hindsight I would do 100 times of 100. This season was so much fun!

 

Sorry, I've been following the Leafs too long. Trading youth for veterans and then watching the youth become elite while the veterans hit their decline/s*** the bed.

[FrozenRopes]

Pretty sure he is already inked with Miami. Delay in announcement is to avoid tampering implications

[KingKat]

Yes, I'm dumn because I disagree with you. The Donaldson trade wasn't really that good at all. There are you happy...lol.

 

Since you like to have things pedantically explained to you.

 

Strawman A

 

Boxy thinks you're dumn because you disasgree with him. No Boxy disagrees with a lot of people. He doesn't always think them dumn. He thinks you're dumn because of he finds the things you write not only wrong but also dumn.

 

Strawman B

 

No one ever said the Donaldson trade was bad. In fact the Donaldson trade is being used a yard stick for good trades as in the Grandal trade is so good that it's better than the Donaldson trade. That implies that the Donaldson trade is a very good deal.