Free Agent Pitching

[Boxcar]

it's a one year deal, I really doubt he's going to s*** the bed next year.

 

 

 

Why would he only get 5 million? Who will be as productive next season for $10M? I'm treating him as a stop gap until we can bridge over to 2017. He fits that roll completely well.

 

This is all with saying IF he fetches a good piece through trade. If an NL team see him valuable enough to give us a solid piece for him (or a package of him and someone like Revere, etc) I say we pull the trigger and get Colon through free agency. Overall I think we'll benefit more this route

 

Why are you so fixated on Colon? Jesus.

 

John Lackey is the answer. Old, cheap and still good.

[L54]

AA has pretty much hinted at Osuna being our closer for another year, because he's young and it'll be in a contending year, before they make the transition to SP, I don't agree with it, but I can see why he's leaning that way.

 

Ya I definitely won't be surprised to see him back there. I don't think it's the right way to approach it either but it's a sticky spot to be honest.

[Laika]

TBH, I think Osuna's mechanics might potentially be so problematic that him being a starter just isn't really an option.

[L54]

I know you've said that a few times which makes me think someone in the org might feel the same. If that's the case then it's pretty hard to criticize, not that AA would ever come out and say that.

[Slugger]

TBH, I think Osuna's mechanics might potentially be so problematic that him being a starter just isn't really an option.

 

I've said the same thing.

 

He doesn't have starters mechanics. His career high is 70IP and I can't even imagine him throwing 175IP with that short max effort delivery.

[Spanky99]

TBH, I think Osuna's mechanics might potentially be so problematic that him being a starter just isn't really an option.

 

What's wrong, the inverted W, stride, falling off to 1st, repeatable delivery or arm slot?

[thatoneguy]

You will puke for sure. This is going to happen. Organizational love affair will continue.

 

Trade him as part of a package for a #1 starter.

 

Make it rain shurikens AA.

[BTS]

Keeping Osuna in the pen would be a pretty defensible decision. Cashing in 1-2 win seasons over 60-70 high leverage innings is far from a worst-case outcome for him, and i the team is at all concerned about his mechanics they should leave him where he is.

[Spanky99]

Keeping Osuna in the pen would be a pretty defensible decision. Cashing in 1-2 win seasons over 60-70 high leverage innings is far from a worst-case outcome for him, and i the team is at all concerned about his mechanics they should leave him where he is.

 

Is there mechanic issues, I never payed enough attention as I thought his repertoire screamed SP?

[BTS]

Is there mechanic issues, I never payed enough attention as I thought his repertoire screamed SP?

 

I have no idea. I don't know the first thing about mechanics. He definitely has the pitch mix to succeed though.

[Slugger]

Is there mechanic issues, I never payed enough attention as I thought his repertoire screamed SP?

 

He would need to start torquing his waist to relieve the stress on his arm as a starter. He has one of the most "square" deliveries I've ever seen and if he started, MPH would dip off of his fastball and I think he'd get crushed.

[Laika]

What's wrong, the inverted W?

 

He has that thing, but that doesn't really matter on its own. More importantly, the arm is a bit late and there seems to be a lot of effort in his delivery and the body just might not be on time the way that it needs to be for a SP to hold up. I can't say for sure because I have no idea what I'm talking about and you'd need high speed video anyway.

 

But honestly if he was a good bet to be a SP than Toronto wouldn't have called him up this year. There had to be a determination there that his role was RP and he had all of the skills to be one right now so why wait and f*** around with building up his stamina and all that s*** and risk him getting hurt before he even makes it to the big leagues?

 

And then when AA says s*** publicly like "we still view Sanchez and Osuna as starters long term", well there might be some truth there but for me, reading between the lines, that's mostly about maintaining trade value for them. If they end up in some proposal and the opposing GM values them as SP then they'll be worth a hell of a lot more. And if AA is on the record about how these guys are relievers then the other dude can argue for them to not carry such significant value.

[Spanky99]

He has that thing, but that doesn't really matter on its own. More importantly, the arm is a bit late and there seems to be a lot of effort in his delivery and the body just might not be on time the way that it needs to be for a SP to hold up. I can't say for sure because I have no idea what I'm talking about and you'd need high speed video anyway.

 

But honestly if he was a good bet to be a SP than Toronto wouldn't have called him up this year. There had to be a determination there that his role was RP and he had all of the skills to be one right now so why wait and f*** around with building up his stamina and all that s*** and risk him getting hurt before he even makes it to the big leagues?

 

And then when AA says s*** publicly like "we still view Sanchez and Osuna as starters long term", well there might be some truth there but for me, reading between the lines, that's mostly about maintaining trade value for them. If they end up in some proposal and the opposing GM values them as SP then they'll be worth a hell of a lot more. And if AA is on the record about how these guys are relievers then the other dude can argue for them to not carry such significant value.

 

Fair enough, I can see that with Sanchez, but I think a tweak here or there for Osuna in AAA, to see if he can figure it out wouldn't be a waste, if not, so be it and chuck em in the pen.

[Slugger]

Fair enough, I can see that with Sanchez, but I think a tweak here or there for Osuna in AAA, to see if he can figure it out wouldn't be a waste, if not, so be it and chuck em in the pen.

 

2016 is a "win-now" season more than any other. Sending him to AAA wouldn't send the right message or make sense when he fills a need.

[Spanky99]

2016 is a "win-now" season more than any other. Sending him to AAA wouldn't send the right message or make sense when he fills a need.

 

I'm referring to after 16', it seems he's in the role for 16' right now.

[Slugger]

I'm referring to after 16', it seems he's in the role for 16' right now.

 

Ah, fair enough.

 

It'd be bizarre to see a player be sent down to work on something else after thriving for a couple seasons.

[Frenchsoup]

I have no idea. I don't know the first thing about mechanics. He definitely has the pitch mix to succeed though.

 

Well i'll give you a starting point, David Price has pretty much the best mechanics in the game.

[Spanky99]

Ah, fair enough.

 

It'd be bizarre to see a player be sent down to work on something else after thriving for a couple seasons.

 

One season.

[Slugger]

One season.

 

if he stays in the pen for '16...

[Spanky99]

if he stays in the pen for '16...

 

"If"

[L54]

Keeping Osuna in the pen would be a pretty defensible decision. Cashing in 1-2 win seasons over 60-70 high leverage innings is far from a worst-case outcome for him, and if the team is at all concerned about his mechanics they should leave him where he is.

 

If this is the case then yes.

[burlingtonbandit]

If Osuna goes to the rotation I think HRs become a problem as well. He always gave up a ton of HR in the minors where guys don't hit for nearly as much power. Out of the pen this year he gave up 0.9 HR/9 so it would very likely go up when his MPH goes down moving to the rotation.

 

I think its best to leave him in the pen but wouldn't hesitate to include him in trade offers for a SP.

[Governator]

If Osuna goes to the rotation I think HRs become a problem as well. He always gave up a ton of HR in the minors where guys don't hit for nearly as much power. Out of the pen this year he gave up 0.9 HR/9 so it would very likely go up when his MPH goes down moving to the rotation.

 

I think its best to leave him in the pen but wouldn't hesitate to include him in trade offers for a SP.

 

Pretty sure he was throwing upper 90s as a starter in the minors, no? We also tend to forget he's only 20 years old. If he doesn't get a fair chance to be a SP with his talent, it would be a crime.