Free Agent Pitching

[burlingtonbandit]

Hmm interesting. Still wouldn't mind taking a shot with him over here. I have a feeling he'd fit in well here. I mean look at Bautista and JD, If they weren't on our teams we'd think they're self-centred, arrogant, pricks (some people think that as Jays fans too) but they mesh really well here.

 

AA has already passed on him because of his character so I have a hard time believing he will take him now. Difference between Latos, Lackey and JD, Bautista is they are known as bad teammates while JB and JD are fierce competitors but their teammates have raved about them.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Is there any reason why guys like Brett Anderson or Rich Hill should be given guaranteed contracts and rotation spots on a team going into 2016 barren of MLB starting pitching or depth????

 

I say no.

[Grant77]

Is there any chance that he pitches a full year? Like any?

 

He just pitched a full year.

[fatcowxlive]

AA has already passed on him because of his character so I have a hard time believing he will take him now. Difference between Latos, Lackey and JD, Bautista is they are known as bad teammates while JB and JD are fierce competitors but their teammates have raved about them.

 

He passed on him? I thought he just couldn't come to agreement with the Padres?

[GD]

Is there any reason why guys like Brett Anderson or Rich Hill should be given guaranteed contracts and rotation spots on a team going into 2016 barren of MLB starting pitching or depth????

 

I say no.

 

Brett Anderson, on a team that needs a nice back end spot but has depth to cover, sure. Rich Hill should be a flier move only.

[Grant77]

Brett Anderson 5.79 K/9

 

Mike Leake 5.58 K/9

 

I'd rather take the bulk innings Leake provides over Brett Anderson.

 

Is 190 innings of a 4.5+ FIP worth anything at all to us?

[Orgfiller]

Is 190 innings of a 4.5+ FIP worth anything at all to us?

Is there any specific reason why you decided to add 0.60+ runs to his FIP projection or is the big bad AL East just that good?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Is 190 innings of a 4.5+ FIP worth anything at all to us?

 

I dunno. People seemed to love Buehrle at 20m this year.

[Orgfiller]

I dunno. People seemed to love Buehrle at 20m this year.

 

Buehrle gave us ~200 IP of 2.3 RA/9 WAR in his first injury riddled season pretty much ever. I don't know why people would be upset with him.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Buehrle gave us ~200 IP of 2.3 RA/9 WAR in his first injury riddled season pretty much ever. I don't know why people would be upset with him.

 

A lot of money to be paying a non-elite pitcher

[reedjohnsonfan]

I dunno. People seemed to love Buehrle at 20m this year.

 

People like Buehrle because of who he is. Universally loved by real fans and casuals.

[GeorgiaPeach]

People like Buehrle because of who he is. Universally loved by real fans and casuals.

 

There was a lot of hate towards him when his dog was an issue and he was spouting off.

 

Like you either like a guy or don't.

 

I hate it when fans flip flop or ride the fence on their opinions of players.

[Orgfiller]

A lot of money to be paying a non-elite pitcher

 

If we say the going rate for a win is about $8MM/win, then Buehrle cost us a little over $1MM this season, this after providing 3.7 and and 2.4 RA9-WAR the two previous seasons. Not exactly a franchise crippling cost. Buehrle's guaranteed 200 IP were huge for this team.

[reedjohnsonfan]

There was a lot of hate towards him when his dog was an issue and he was spouting off.

 

Like you either like a guy or don't.

 

I hate it when fans flip flop or ride the fence on their opinions of players.

 

Forgot about that. Why can't you flip flop? I went from liking Yordano Ventura last season to hating his guts. If he grows up I might start liking him again down the road. He does have a nice arsenal to watch.

[Grant77]

Is there any specific reason why you decided to add 0.60+ runs to his FIP projection or is the big bad AL East just that good?

 

For one thing, the projection is lower than any FIP he's posted in his entire career. As well, this division scored 4.64 runs/game and his scored 4.11 runs/game. The pitcher makes up some of that gap, but not all of it.

 

Use some common sense here for god sakes.

[Laika]

Is there any specific reason why you decided to add 0.60+ runs to his FIP projection or is the big bad AL East just that good?

 

Well you add like 0.40 going from the NL to the AL in general. Leake is projected in AT&T so him coming from there to the RC would add even more.

 

It doesn't change his WAR projection though. You'd still expect him to be a league average SP. Leake would be very similar to what Dickey has been the last few years for Toronto, who I think everyone would agree was a contributor.

 

There's a right price for Leake, the market will probably double it though.

[fatcowxlive]

Well you add like 0.40 going from the NL to the AL in general. Leake is projected in AT&T so him coming from there to the RC would add even more.

 

It doesn't change his WAR projection though. You'd still expect him to be a league average SP. Leake would be very similar to what Dickey has been the last few years for Toronto, who I think everyone would agree was a contributor.

 

There's a right price for Leake, the market will probably double it though.

 

Do you think we pick up Dickey's option and keep him as our #5 because of this? $12MM for around 2 fWAR? How much is the $-per-WAR right now anyways?

[Grant77]

A challenge for anyone. Name the last free agent multi-year deal given to a starting pitcher without American League experience that worked out.

[jaysblue]

A challenge for anyone. Name the last free agent multi-year deal given to a starting pitcher without American League experience that worked out.

 

AJ Burnett

[Grant77]

Well you add like 0.40 going from the NL to the AL in general. Leake is projected in AT&T so him coming from there to the RC would add even more.

 

It doesn't change his WAR projection though. You'd still expect him to be a league average SP. Leake would be very similar to what Dickey has been the last few years for Toronto, who I think everyone would agree was a contributor.

 

There's a right price for Leake, the market will probably double it though.

 

After 8 consecutive years his ERA being lower, I think we can safely say that FIP doesn't properly evaluate R.A. Dickey. He's a little better than league average.

[GD]

AJ Burnett

 

RA Dickey- oh.

[Grant77]

AJ Burnett

 

Thanks. So 10 years of signings and one moderate success to go with several disastrous failures. It's pretty safe to say that it's not a good idea to sign guys like Leake to big deals.

[jaysblue]

RA Dickey- oh.

 

After being traded from San Diego, Jake Peavy wasn't that bad when he pitched with Chicago or Boston. Injuries were his only problem.

[Laika]

After 8 consecutive years his ERA being lower, I think we can safely say that FIP doesn't properly evaluate R.A. Dickey. He's a little better than league average.

 

Oh of course. But even by RA9-WAR, in 2013 and 2014 Dickey was little more than average.

[Boxcar]

A challenge for anyone. Name the last free agent multi-year deal given to a starting pitcher without American League experience that worked out.

 

Good idea. Use a question with a criteria that leaves very few names to make yourself appear correct.

[Orgfiller]

Are we just going to ignore how "aces" like Tim Hudson, Barry Zito and Johan Santana got noticeably worse when they transferred to the National League? Yes, I too can pull out strawman arguments.

[fatcowxlive]

AJ Burnett

 

Probably. When was the last time a starter hit FA without AL experience? We see a lot of trades like Hamels and Gallardo where NL pitchers get dealt at the deadline, but not hit FA without any prior AL experience. Peavy kinda? Got traded from SD to Chicago at the deadline in contract year then resigned with the Sox, had a bumpy first year but his last 2 were solid

[Rafters]

Shark could be a buy low option....have to think he would look better with an Offense and defence like the jays behind him....as for Estrada....wonder how he will pitch next yr without Navarro calling the game

[jaysblue]

Estrada pitched in the NL before coming to the Blue Jays...

[Grant77]

Probably. When was the last time a starter hit FA without AL experience? We see a lot of trades like Hamels and Gallardo where NL pitchers get dealt at the deadline, but not hit FA without any prior AL experience. Peavy kinda? Got traded from SD to Chicago at the deadline in contract year then resigned with the Sox, had a bumpy first year but his last 2 were solid

 

Ricky Nolasco was the last one I can think of. There are exceptions, but the majority of times it doesn't go well no matter how you look at it.