Vic Carapazza

[TheHurl]

Double digit difference from gameday. Not perfect, but it's all I have to look at.

 

according to pitchFX it was 5 balls called strikes for Jays pitchers, and 7 for the Rangers.

It also was 6 strikes called balls for the Jays pitchers, and 8 for the Rangers

[crmr]

Regardless of whether or not the ump was good/bad, the Jays have been awful. These are the two worst consecutive games they've played since the trade deadline....

[beet]

Wasn't really as bad as GameDay made it out to be, but brooks baseball showed the calls favoured the Rangers, especially the inside to RHB.

 

It wasn't the reason on they lost, but it was certainly a factor.

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/zoneTrack.php?&game=gid_2015_10_09_texmlb_tormlb_1/&innings=yyyyyyyyy&month=10&day=09&year=2015

 

what about low and outside to left hand hitters. We got the benefit of those calls by a wide margin according to that chart.

[Grant77]

according to pitchFX it was 5 balls called strikes for Jays pitchers, and 7 for the Rangers.

It also was 6 strikes called balls for the Jays pitchers, and 8 for the Rangers

 

I noticed the pitch tracker on mlb network was much different than gameday in many instances. I was just making note of instances as they came up.

[spittin]

I noticed the pitch tracker on mlb network was much different than gameday in many instances. I was just making note of instances as they came up.

 

Grant, what's the story on you disappearing from the bbdl. FYI your team finished 1st in the reg season.

[Grant77]

Grant, what's the story on you disappearing from the bbdl. FYI your team finished 1st in the reg season.

 

I had turned over the team to Spanky for a few weeks, as I do a lot of field work in the summer. I ended up breaking my jaw while working and the message board just kind of dropped from my priority list. Kind of a s***** excuse, but congrats and big thanks to Spanky for making the right moves and winning. I think I had Cutch and Miggy with the lucky lottery picks, too much talent to fail.

[Inklink]

Watching NYM/LAD and these low pitches being called strikes. Then you go back to this god damned crook at the Jays game calling clear strikes a ball.

[jaysblue]

This is a billion-dollar business. They're not sending out "bad" umps "by mistake." They're sending out well-trained umps to bring about the desired result. End of story.

 

Wouldn't a Texas/Houston ALCS be boring and bad for ratings?

[SAAviour]

Wouldn't a Texas/Houston ALCS be boring and bad for ratings?

 

I sure won't watch it.

[Omar]

30 years of watching ballgames that was the most inconsistent strike zone I have ever witnessed. Worse than Bob Davidson in the 1990's and that's not an easy feat. Had to register just to get that out of my system.

[nextyear]

One solution would be to extend video replay to balls/strikes. Allow two video replays of balls/strikes per 9 innings.

[nextyear]

Thank goodness, the following will never happen in baseball! Forget about Pete Rose and the Black Sox, these things will never happen again in the MLB.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3509440

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2014/04/24/crooked-nba-ref-emerges-from-prison-a-sports-handicapper/

[Grant77]

Thank goodness, the following will never happen in baseball! Forget about Pete Rose and the Black Sox, these things will never happen again in the MLB.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3509440

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2014/04/24/crooked-nba-ref-emerges-from-prison-a-sports-handicapper/

 

There's no doubt that happens, but very unlikely in this case. The inexplicable closing of the roof on two beautiful days is more difficult to explain in my mind. If this were the Twins or Tigers, it's probably open, but he wanted to level the playing field for our home field advantage.

[nextyear]

There's no doubt that happens, but very unlikely in this case. The inexplicable closing of the roof on two beautiful days is more difficult to explain in my mind. If this were the Twins or Tigers, it's probably open, but he wanted to level the playing field for our home field advantage.

 

Is it the umpire that makes that decision? I thought it was the MLB, meaning the commissioner's office.

[BigCecil]

This conversation pisses me off. The ump sucked. No doubt. But neither team was happy with him so we need to move on. Bannister made a point in his post game interview of saying he wants his guys to focus on the game and not a bad call by the ump. There is 0 they can do about it. You could see our guys constantly pissed. Some of their guys bitched a bit but let it go. Our Big 5 went 3 for 27 and that's why we lost.

[BigCecil]

Is it the umpire that makes that decision? I thought it was the MLB, meaning the commissioner's office.

 

MLB makes it. It's a non issue.

[nextyear]

This conversation pisses me off. The ump sucked. No doubt. But neither team was happy with him so we need to move on. Bannister made a point in his post game interview of saying he wants his guys to focus on the game and not a bad call by the ump. There is 0 they can do about it. You could see our guys constantly pissed. Some of their guys bitched a bit but let it go. Our Big 5 went 3 for 27 and that's why we lost.

 

I saw a Texas Ranger player get peeved by a perfect strike in the lower outside corner but I didn't really see Ranger players getting angry about the strike zone throughout the game, in fact most of them were smiling throughout the game.

 

Kevin Pillar gave a good interview yesterday after the game and was very careful in what he said. Obviously, having an inconsistent strike zone is going to have a negative impact on hitters who succeed by having a good eye at the plate. Tulowitzki didn't seem happy with the called strike on him that was shown to be well off the plate inside.

 

Bob Costas said the umpire was having a bad game (he seemed dumbfounded by how bad some calls were). This umpire shouldn't call another game.

[nextyear]

MLB makes it. It's a non issue.

 

Of course it is a non-issue, whether the roof is open or closed didn't affect the outcome. But poor umpiring did.

[BigCecil]

Of course it is a non-issue, whether the roof is open or closed didn't affect the outcome. But poor umpiring did.

 

You can't tell well from where I was sitting on zone. Hurl posted some facts based on zone. I don't think those facts can explain away 3 for 27 if the ump is close to equally bad to both teams.

[TheHurl]

Charts just don't show it as that badly called. Situations may have been different but he's got a rep as an ump that doesn't like hitters taking with 2 strikes.

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/fastmap.php-pitchSel=all&game=gid_2015_10_09_texmlb_tormlb_1&sp_type=2&s_type=7&cache=1.gif

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/fastmap.php-pitchSel=all&game=gid_2015_10_09_texmlb_tormlb_1&sp_type=3&s_type=7&cache=1.gif

[Grant77]

Charts just don't show it as that badly called. Situations may have been different but he's got a rep as an ump that doesn't like hitters taking with 2 strikes.

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/fastmap.php-pitchSel=all&game=gid_2015_10_09_texmlb_tormlb_1&sp_type=2&s_type=7&cache=1.gif

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/fastmap.php-pitchSel=all&game=gid_2015_10_09_texmlb_tormlb_1&sp_type=3&s_type=7&cache=1.gif

 

He's made the most mistakes in the entire league, calling 86 balls as strikes for punchouts over the season. Why is he doing a playoff game?

[nextyear]

Charts just don't show it as that badly called. Situations may have been different but he's got a rep as an ump that doesn't like hitters taking with 2 strikes.

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/fastmap.php-pitchSel=all&game=gid_2015_10_09_texmlb_tormlb_1&sp_type=2&s_type=7&cache=1.gif

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/fastmap.php-pitchSel=all&game=gid_2015_10_09_texmlb_tormlb_1&sp_type=3&s_type=7&cache=1.gif

 

 

The strike call on Tulowitzki in extra innings was a good 3" inside and I don't see it charts(?). Shouldn't it be a red square box well outside the strike zone for the RHH chart? The TV broadcast showed an overhead view that showed how far inside it was.

 

I just wonder how these charts are created and how accurate they are?

[BigCecil]

The strike call on Tulowitzki in extra innings was a good 3" inside and I don't see it charts(?). Shouldn't it be a red square box well outside the strike zone for the RHH chart? The TV broadcast showed an overhead view that showed how far inside it was.

 

I just wonder how these charts are created and how accurate they are?

 

In any case Due-lo was 0-6. He saw some pitches to hit and didn't. Charts look like ump sucked for both teams. I know it must be frustrating for the players, but they just have to deal with it and execute. They will bounce back Sunday.

[TheHurl]

The strike call on Tulowitzki in extra innings was a good 3" inside and I don't see it charts(?). Shouldn't it be a red square box well outside the strike zone for the RHH chart? The TV broadcast showed an overhead view that showed how far inside it was.

 

I just wonder how these charts are created and how accurate they are?

 

It is a red triangle at 3.0 vertical and -1.0 horizontal. These are from the umpires view and the triangles are the Texas pitcher pitches. It was not a good call and I will say inside vs. RHH is questionable and went against the Jays. But in comparison low pitches vs. LHH went the Jays way for sure.

 

I had to go through explaining the chart to a friend who insisted they left pitches out. Here is what I made for him...hope it helps

[nextyear]

In any case Due-lo was 0-6. He saw some pitches to hit and didn't. Charts look like ump sucked for both teams. I know it must be frustrating for the players, but they just have to deal with it and execute.

 

If you believe the charts. I have a question about it because one ball out of the strike zone that I vividly remember isn't displayed. Why not?

 

You said in another thread that you don't mind having Tulowitzki hit number 5. He went 0 for 6 in game 2, and 0 for 4 in game 1, why do you want him batting #5?

[nextyear]

It is a red triangle at 3.0 vertical and -1.0 horizontal. These are from the umpires view and the triangles are the Texas pitcher pitches. It was not a good call and I will say inside vs. RHH is questionable and went against the Jays. But in comparison low pitches vs. LHH went the Jays way for sure.

 

I had to go through explaining the chart to a friend who insisted they left pitches out. Here is what I made for him...hope it helps[ATTACH=CONFIG]1293[/ATTACH]

 

 

Thank you very much. I appreciate the explanation, and understand the charts now.

[BigCecil]

If you believe the charts. I have a question about it because one ball out of the strike zone that I vividly remember isn't displayed. Why not?

 

You said in another thread that you don't mind having Tulowitzki hit number 5. He went 0 for 6 in game 2, and 0 for 4 in game 1, why do you want him batting #5?

 

Edwin hasn't been hot either first 2 games. Do we move him too? The order doesn't mean that much. Maybe an AB late in game. If they move him down I'm ok. I'm also ok with Tulo and his decade of track record over a handful of games. Game 1 h hit a couple of balls well into no luck. If he is legit hurting from injury then move him down sure.

Edited October 10, 2015 by BigCecil

[glory]

This conversation pisses me off. The ump sucked. No doubt. But neither team was happy with him so we need to move on. Bannister made a point in his post game interview of saying he wants his guys to focus on the game and not a bad call by the ump. There is 0 they can do about it. You could see our guys constantly pissed. Some of their guys bitched a bit but let it go. Our Big 5 went 3 for 27 and that's why we lost.

 

Bingo. Every fanbase complains about the umpires. The Yankees fans thought they were being screwed against the Jays by the umps. At the end of the day, the ump is who the ump is. You have to work around it. The Rangers did. The Jays just bitched after every pitch and tried to rile the fans up (it worked). Ultimately, the team that bitched less won. What a shock.

 

It's sickens me that Jays fans are piling on the umpire in a 14-inning game where they couldn't score a single run after the 5th inning and the Rangers scored only 1 run from the 3rd to the 13th inning. The players/hitters were responsible for this loss.

[EMK19]

This is the reality of any baseball game, the officiating can seemingly go against you at any given game and it's up to us to adjust accordingly and deal with it. Without a doubt it was inconsistent, but as Martin said, I doubt the guy went out there looking to make unfavourable calls.

 

What concerns me the most is the level of frustrations our players feel about the issue and how those frustrations may be possibly affecting their patience/approach to the plate. We definitely let it get to our heads more than we should have from all those disgusted reactions the players showed after the at bats. I think part of that was the pressure of being the favourites/playing under huge expectations at home. With a day off I hope our players can cool their heads, forget about it, and come back in game 3 with the same good old approach they have been taking throughout the season that enabled them to become the best run-scoring team in the league.

[Grant77]

MLB makes it. It's a non issue.

 

Incorrect. It's our field and our home field advantage. It also has a fairly significant effect on the outcome of the game, as we saw last night.