Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Jimcanuck]

I'm seeing this narrative a lot. What's the concern with this guy? Shape on his fastball?

 

Yes, same issue as Hunter Greene. You would think MLB coaching / Driveline would address this with a few tweaks.

[Laika]

Yes, same issue as Hunter Greene. You would think MLB coaching / Driveline would address this with a few tweaks.

 

Hard to change prevailing FB shape. That's kind of just a function of arm slot and genetics (finger size, grip, etc.)

 

But coaching and tweaks definitely can help him find the ideal shape given his tendencies, and the ideal mix of FB varieties

[Spanky__99]

I'm seeing this narrative a lot. What's the concern with this guy? Shape on his fastball?

 

For me I just see plenty of bats that should be higher than Skenes, it's not egregious or anything. Yes on the latter a bit but it's still a plus pitch and can be developed still as these guys have noted. He's still likely a stud.

[z3r0s]

Ahead of Caminero? That's pretty bold.

Can't really justify him being at 3 myself. I do think he belongs in the top 15 however.

[z3r0s]

Pretty interesting that Langford and Crews have been side-by-side on both of the big lists so far.

[Jimcanuck]

Ahead of Caminero? That's pretty bold.

Can't really justify him being at 3 myself. I do think he belongs in the top 15 however.

 

We have to see what Law says. That's determinative.

[Spanky__99]

Ahead of Caminero? That's pretty bold.

Can't really justify him being at 3 myself. I do think he belongs in the top 15 however.

 

Certainly top 15, around 10 seems right.

[Spanky__99]

MLB Pipeline always seems to have recent draftees ranked higher than most.

 

All of them do it, then adjust accordingly. Makes sense.

[Terminator]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/39437646/top-30-mlb-farm-systems-prospects-list-2024-kiley-mcdaniel-cubs-orioles-tigers-padres

 

Where do the Jays rank? I don't have ESPN+.

Edited February 2, 2024 by Terminator

[L54]

My guess is 19th

[Spanky__99]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/39437646/top-30-mlb-farm-systems-prospects-list-2024-kiley-mcdaniel-cubs-orioles-tigers-padres

 

Where do the Jays rank? I don't have ESPN+.

 

Cool... Kiley McDaniel's top 100 ranking is on there... he has lots of info on there.

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/39420988/top-100-mlb-prospects-list-2024-kiley-mcdaniel-jackson-holliday-jackson-chourio

 

I don't have ESPN+ but it seems to work for me. He has us ranked 24th, geez...

 

 

24. Toronto Blue Jays ($126 million)

Last year: 22nd, $152 million

 

Top 100 prospects: 1

 

The Jays are ranked here for now as their top two prospects -- left-handed pitcher Ricky Tiedemann and third baseman Orelvis Martinez -- add up to $57 million in prospect value but will likely both graduate over the summer, taking Toronto into contention for the worst farm system in baseball if there aren't big improvements. The Jays do have two upside prep picks in left-handed pitcher Brandon Barriera and shortstop Arjun Nimmala along with a recent international signee in outfielder Enmanuel Bonilla that may be a solid prospect as well, but outside of those three this system has a lot of contact-first, lower-impact hitters and solid depth pitchers rather than potential impact players.

[Terminator]

Cool... Kiley McDaniel's top 100 ranking is on there... he has lots of info on there.

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/39420988/top-100-mlb-prospects-list-2024-kiley-mcdaniel-jackson-holliday-jackson-chourio

 

I don't have ESPN+ but it seems to work for me. He has us ranked 24th, geez...

 

 

24. Toronto Blue Jays ($126 million)

Last year: 22nd, $152 million

 

Top 100 prospects: 1

 

The Jays are ranked here for now as their top two prospects -- left-handed pitcher Ricky Tiedemann and third baseman Orelvis Martinez -- add up to $57 million in prospect value but will likely both graduate over the summer, taking Toronto into contention for the worst farm system in baseball if there aren't big improvements. The Jays do have two upside prep picks in left-handed pitcher Brandon Barriera and shortstop Arjun Nimmala along with a recent international signee in outfielder Enmanuel Bonilla that may be a solid prospect as well, but outside of those three this system has a lot of contact-first, lower-impact hitters and solid depth pitchers rather than potential impact players.

 

Ouch

[Laika]

It's okay, Kiley is kind of dumb (he's the new Keith Law) and that's not even bottom 5 so we technically do not have a bottom 5 farm anyway, even if it is per this dumbass

[Spanky__99]

It's okay, Kiley is kind of dumb (he's the new Keith Law) and that's not even bottom 5 so we technically do not have a bottom 5 farm anyway, even if it is per this dumbass

 

I concur.

[L54]

It's okay, Kiley is kind of dumb (he's the new Keith Law) and that's not even bottom 5 so we technically do not have a bottom 5 farm anyway, even if it is per this dumbass

 

A bunch of relievers and second base/corner outfield prospects have brought us to this point

[L54]

Would Joey Ortiz be our like… fourth best prospect? Maybe top 3

[Spanky__99]

Would Joey Ortiz be our like… fourth best prospect? Maybe top 3

 

4 or 5.

[Terminator]

Would Joey Ortiz be our like… fourth best prospect? Maybe top 3

 

Oof, that's kind of depressing lol

[L54]

4 or 5.

 

Oh I don’t think he’d be fifth he’s closer to two than five

[L54]

Oof, that's kind of depressing lol

 

Sort of illustrates the current state of the system. Tiedemann clearly better but you could definitely rank Ortiz over Orelvis and Arjun

[Jimcanuck]

Cool... Kiley McDaniel's top 100 ranking is on there... he has lots of info on there.

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/39420988/top-100-mlb-prospects-list-2024-kiley-mcdaniel-jackson-holliday-jackson-chourio

 

I don't have ESPN+ but it seems to work for me. He has us ranked 24th, geez...

 

 

24. Toronto Blue Jays ($126 million)

Last year: 22nd, $152 million

 

Top 100 prospects: 1

 

The Jays are ranked here for now as their top two prospects -- left-handed pitcher Ricky Tiedemann and third baseman Orelvis Martinez -- add up to $57 million in prospect value but will likely both graduate over the summer, taking Toronto into contention for the worst farm system in baseball if there aren't big improvements. The Jays do have two upside prep picks in left-handed pitcher Brandon Barriera and shortstop Arjun Nimmala along with a recent international signee in outfielder Enmanuel Bonilla that may be a solid prospect as well, but outside of those three this system has a lot of contact-first, lower-impact hitters and solid depth pitchers rather than potential impact players.

 

Not impressed with Kiley's work. He was considered the better of the Kiley/Longenhagen duo at FG, but Longen clearly better IMO.

[L54]

Not impressed with Kiley's work. He was considered the better of the Kiley/Longenhagen duo at FG, but Longen clearly better IMO.

 

Are you referring to the prospect list or farm ranks?

[Jimcanuck]

Are you referring to the prospect list or farm ranks?

 

everything, really

 

Kiley has been meh since he left FG

[L54]

BA - 24th

ESPN- 24th

Fangraphs- 23rd

 

You don’t have to agree but the industry views the system as bottom third, and is heavily propped up by Rick T

[Terminator]

BA - 24th

ESPN- 24th

Fangraphs- 23rd

 

You don’t have to agree but the industry views the system as bottom third, and is heavily propped up by Rick T

 

It's not a pretty picture! I wonder if that 23-24th range is closely grouped with 15th or so? And there's a clear drop-off when you get to the bottom 3-5? Idk trying to find some silver linings here.

[max silver]

BA - 24th

ESPN- 24th

Fangraphs- 23rd

 

You don’t have to agree but the industry views the system as bottom third, and is heavily propped up by Rick T

 

Are these end of season rankings or 2023 mid season rankings? I can only hope that the system looks a little better after the second half as so many of the prospects had poor first halves.

[Spanky__99]

BA - 24th

ESPN- 24th

Fangraphs- 23rd

 

You don’t have to agree but the industry views the system as bottom third, and is heavily propped up by Rick T

 

BA, BP, and Fangraphs haven't ranked systems yet for 24, or am I missing something?

[L54]

It's not a pretty picture! I wonder if that 23-24th range is closely grouped with 15th or so? And there's a clear drop-off when you get to the bottom 3-5? Idk trying to find some silver linings here.

 

I’m guessing but I’d say they’re the first team in the second worst tier of farm systems, and closer to the worst farm than average

 

There’s just no impact guys to dream on outside of Tiedemann. Arjun probably next in line in terms of ceiling

[L54]

Idk maybe Fantrax isn’t updated but BA has rankings

[Spanky__99]

Oh they did the rankings for BA today...

 

 

24. Toronto Blue Jays

Top 100 Prospects (2): LHP Ricky Tiedemann (22), SS Orelvis Martinez (90)

 

The 2023 season was a step back for Toronto’s farm because many 2022 draft picks struggled. Dominican slugger Orelvis Martinez was a rare bright spot, but much of the system’s strength is reliant on top prospect LHP Ricky Tiedemann—who possesses elite upside and pure stuff but also has significant health and durability questions.

 

See their Top 30 Prospects entering 2024

 

Previous ranks

2023: 15

2022: 19

2021: 4

2020: 6

2019: 3