Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Brownie19]

I don't get Hurl's picture. I am dumn.

[metafour]

Now do every other stat, including contact rate.

 

There are a good number of high average, low power hitters in the minors. Only a select few have borderline generational contact ability like Madrigal.

 

Yeah, the K-rates are the biggest differential. Madrigal's K-rates in the minors were comically good with no comparables that I can think of.

[Spanky__99]

I don't get Hurl's picture. I am dumn.

 

Same... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Daniel Labude]

Yeah, the K-rates are the biggest differential. Madrigal's K-rates in the minors were comically good with no comparables that I can think of.

 

Otto's K rate is still good overall, which means the production could very well be maintained and you still end up with overall numbers similar to Madrigal imo

[Laika]

Yeah, the K-rates are the biggest differential. Madrigal's K-rates in the minors were comically good with no comparables that I can think of.

 

Willians Astudillo

[AMS528]

Otto's K rate is still good overall, which means the production could very well be maintained and you still end up with overall numbers similar to Madrigal imo

 

It's at 19% this year. That's fine but not elite or very good especially given his power. Higher than his prior years but he's also playing at a higher level. Madrigal was between 2-4% during his time in the minors. Which is absurd. He's now at 8% so it's up 5%. That's pretty normal to happen, and his walk rate is down a bit as well.

 

If you apply that to Otto he's striking out 22-24% of the time and walking like 6% of the time. With no power and a BABIP that is not .439 his numbers would not be good and would not be similar to Madrigal.

[TheHurl]

I don't get Hurl's picture. I am dumn.

 

It's tough to generate a hamstring injury picture. But he tried to slide into her DM's and got called out by Mason Rudolph. So the comp was "injured". Plus everyone loves Genie content

[Laika]

Otto's K rate is still good overall, which means the production could very well be maintained and you still end up with overall numbers similar to Madrigal imo

 

average K rate with low power = nothing special. most prospects with this combo will fail to hit MLB pitching.

 

generational contact rate = special itself. the player may be able to hit MLB pitching well even with zero pop to speak of.

 

elite power = special itself. most prospects will still fail, but you'll get the odd Joey Gallo who will hit just enough to be good.

 

combine elite power with contact skills = Vlad.

 

Madrigal is like, the universal opposite of Joey Gallo, I guess.

 

Otto Lopez is just like dozens of other current minor leaguers, in various organizations. Everybody has a few scrappy little hitters. Gamers. Etc. Can hit a bit and play some D.

[THANOS]

I don't know much about Brandon Eisert. His numbers look pretty good. A lefty reliever throwing mid 90s. I looked him up, apparently the Canadians are playing in his home town so he lives at home and his parents come to all the games, which is kid of cool. 30 innings isn't a lot, but seems like a guy you might want to move up a level to see how he does at AA.

 

I agree. Promote him. Couldn't really hurt. If he gets shelled demote him. He's just a reliever. If he dominates, he's that much closer to helping us this season or next.

[Daniel Labude]

average K rate with low power = nothing special. most prospects with this combo will fail to hit MLB pitching.

 

generational contact rate = special itself. the player may be able to hit MLB pitching well even with zero pop to speak of.

 

elite power = special itself. most prospects will still fail, but you'll get the odd Joey Gallo who will hit just enough to be good.

 

combine elite power with contact skills = Vlad.

 

Madrigal is like, the universal opposite of Joey Gallo, I guess.

 

Otto Lopez is just like dozens of other current minor leaguers, in various organizations. Everybody has a few scrappy little hitters. Gamers. Etc. Can hit a bit and play some D.

 

No one is calling him an allstar potential. An every day multiposition utility is probably his ceiling, but I think its very attainable and a solid piece to have

[Daniel Labude]

It's at 19% this year. That's fine but not elite or very good especially given his power. Higher than his prior years but he's also playing at a higher level. Madrigal was between 2-4% during his time in the minors. Which is absurd. He's now at 8% so it's up 5%. That's pretty normal to happen, and his walk rate is down a bit as well.

 

If you apply that to Otto he's striking out 22-24% of the time and walking like 6% of the time. With no power and a BABIP that is not .439 his numbers would not be good and would not be similar to Madrigal.

 

19 is good and if maintained given his bat i think a .300 avg is possible even at higher levels. We will see what he continues to do and when he goes up to AAA

[AMS528]

19 is good and if maintained given his bat i think a .300 avg is possible even at higher levels. We will see what he continues to do and when he goes up to AAA

 

I just don't think it's particularly likely to be maintained. Vlad and Bo were our two best hitting prospects in forever. Both of strikeout more than they did in the minors. It's pretty common that making contact gets harder when you get to this level.

[Spanky__99]

It's tough to generate a hamstring injury picture. But he tried to slide into her DM's and got called out by Mason Rudolph. So the comp was "injured". Plus everyone loves Genie content

 

Dude, you're the TMZ reporter on athletes.

[Jimcanuck]

I just don't think it's particularly likely to be maintained. Vlad and Bo were our two best hitting prospects in forever. Both of strikeout more than they did in the minors. It's pretty common that making contact gets harder when you get to this level.

 

There's like a ~3 MPH difference in average fastball velocity between MLB and AAA. So yes.

[InvincibleTiger]

When will Orlevis get the promotion to Vancouver?

[TwistedLogic]

It's tough to generate a hamstring injury picture. But he tried to slide into her DM's and got called out by Mason Rudolph. So the comp was "injured". Plus everyone loves Genie content

 

Are you saying that photo is Genie? Holy s*** I thought that was Cobie Smulders.

[AMS528]

When will Orlevis get the promotion to Vancouver?

 

If they haven't moved Moreno or Samad up yet, I can't imagine they'll move up Orelvis when he's hitting well but not tearing the league up.

[BlueRocky]

No one is calling him an allstar potential. An every day multiposition utility is probably his ceiling, but I think its very attainable and a solid piece to have

 

Basically Espinal minus defense, plus slightly more bat.

Can be a useful piece, nothing wrong with that.

[Krylian]

When will Orlevis get the promotion to Vancouver?

 

I don't think they're going to rush him. He doesn't turn 20 until November...so he'll be a 20 year old in high-A next year...which is very young.

[InsideThePark]

If they haven't moved Moreno or Samad up yet, I can't imagine they'll move up Orelvis when he's hitting well but not tearing the league up.

 

With the missed year and rule 5 eligibility seemingly approaching more quickly for these guys at A ball(Martinez, Hiraldo, Jimenez) it wouldn't shock me to see quicker promotions. Martinez isn't eligible until December 2022 so they have some time there, but I think you'd want a chunk of the 2022 season in AA before then if you could(maybe 3/4 this year in A, 1/4 this + 1/2 next in A+, then 1/2 next in AA). Just so you're not burning multiple option years before they even get a taste of MLB ball. Hiraldo and Jimenez are both eligible this coming December which seems fast, perhaps because of the missed year. I feel like IFA guys who sign at 16 years old should get an extra year than HS guys. College guys get 1 year less for that same reason.

Edited June 25, 2021 by InsideThePark

[TheHurl]

Are you saying that photo is Genie? Holy s*** I thought that was Cobie Smulders.

 

All Canadians look the same, but yes that was Genie.

[Krylian]

What cave has Sebastian Espino been hiding in?

 

As a 20 year old we grabbed him in the rule 5 draft from the Mets last December.

Just turned 21 at the end of May.

He's in high-A with a line of .338 .402 .493 .895

9.8% BB 19.6% K

 

Mets signed him for $300K (their top signing in 2016).

He was a SS but it looks like we've converted him to an OF.

 

 

I'm intrigued.

[InsideThePark]

What cave has Sebastian Espino been hiding in?

 

As a 20 year old we grabbed in the rule 5 draft from the Mets.

Just turned 21 at the end of May.

He's in high-A with a line of .329 .392 .471 .862

9.5% BB 25.5% K

 

Mets signed him for $300K (their top signing in 2016).

He was a SS but it looks like we've converted him to an OF.

 

 

I'm intrigued.

 

He needs to make the majors on a team with Espinal just to confuse Buck and Tabby

[Laika]

What cave has Sebastian Espino been hiding in?

 

As a 20 year old we grabbed him in the rule 5 draft from the Mets last December.

Just turned 21 at the end of May.

He's in high-A with a line of .338 .402 .493 .895

9.8% BB 19.6% K

 

Mets signed him for $300K (their top signing in 2016).

He was a SS but it looks like we've converted him to an OF.

 

 

I'm intrigued.

 

Minor league rule 5 pick so he's probably nothing. Fangraphs had him in the honourable mentions section of their Mets lists last two years.

 

Espino is a contact-oriented shortstop who lacks bat control when he takes big hacks, and bat speed when he’s under control.

[TwistedLogic]

What cave has Sebastian Espino been hiding in?

 

As a 20 year old we grabbed him in the rule 5 draft from the Mets last December.

Just turned 21 at the end of May.

He's in high-A with a line of .338 .402 .493 .895

9.8% BB 19.6% K

 

Mets signed him for $300K (their top signing in 2016).

He was a SS but it looks like we've converted him to an OF.

 

 

I'm intrigued.

 

Minor league rule 5 pick so he's probably nothing. Fangraphs had him in the honourable mentions section of their Mets lists last two years.

 

Espino is a contact-oriented shortstop who lacks bat control when he takes big hacks, and bat speed when he’s under control.

 

That sounds like someone who could be a potential breakout candidate with the right coaches.

[Krylian]

Minor league rule 5 pick so he's probably nothing. Fangraphs had him in the honourable mentions section of their Mets lists last two years.

 

Espino is a contact-oriented shortstop who lacks bat control when he takes big hacks, and bat speed when he’s under control.

 

He's awfully young to just completely discount...especially with him being in high-A and actually showing some production.

Could it be a blip? Of course...and it probably is...but he's done enough for me to at least take notice and keep an eye on for a while.

[Spanky__99]

Anyone watching the combine, interesting stuff man, but Billy Ripken is driving me nuts.

[Laika]

He's awfully young to just completely discount...especially with him being in high-A and actually showing some production.

Could it be a blip? Of course...and it probably is...but he's done enough for me to at least take notice and keep an eye on for a while.

 

.426 BABIP with only a .155 ISO and one lonely dinger. 98% chance it's just a BABIP surge but I know his name now so he's accomplished something.

 

disclaimer - I am wrong most of the time

[TwistedLogic]

Anyone watching the combine, interesting stuff man, but Billy Ripken is driving me nuts.

 

Damn it, had no idea it was today and I'm the one who posted the release. How long ago did it start?

 

Edit: Found the livestream video. It's 6 hours in.

[Spanky__99]

Damn it, had no idea it was today and I'm the one who posted the release. How long ago did it start?

 

Edit: Found the livestream video. It's 6 hours in.

 

Yeah, it's in the last hour. I hit rewatch and recorded it. It's been really cool for what I've watched since 4'ish. Also, Billy Ripken really is full on cringe.

 

It seems you can start that livestream over also. Neat.