Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Laika]

Apparently not... at least not anyone on the BA top 50

[Deadpool]

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Manuel Beltre

Manuel Beltre

Dominican RepublicSS

Notes:

Born: June 9, 2004. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 5-11. Wt.: 165.

 

Report: One of the best hitters in the class, Beltre is a baseball rat who has spent years documenting his path to professional baseball on his social media accounts, sharing his daily training and highlights on his Instagram account of more than 60,000 followers. Beltre has a short, simple swing, performing well in games with a high contact rate, good feel for the strike zone and gap power. Beltre isn't as tooled-up as some of the other top prospects in the class, but he has a ton of game experience relative to his peers and it's evident in his all-around instincts and fundamentally sound play. Beltre, who trains trains with Jaime Ramos, is expected to sign with the Blue Jays.

 

(they don't mention a bonus but the #8 player is expected to sign for $2.5M and a few players below Beltre are expected to sign for $2M)

 

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Martín Giménez Headshot

Martin Gimenez

VenezuelaSS

Notes:

Born: Feb. 15, 2004. B-T: R-R. Ht.: 6-3. Wt.: 160.

 

Report: Gimenez and Wilman Diaz, one of the top shortstops in this class, train together with Alexi Quiroz. Gimenez has a long, lanky build with plenty of room to pack on weight. He has a chance to develop into a power bat once he fills out, with some scouts praising his swing and approach, though others said he's still learning to recognize breaking pitches. Gimenez has a strong arm for the left side of the infield and it should grade up as he fills out, with a good chance he ends up at third base or possibly an outfield corner as he gets bigger. The Blue Jays are expected to sign Gimenez.

 

Martín Giménez Headshot is a pretty dope name for a player...

 

Also, I mean... "learning to recognize breaking pitches" 'cause he's 16...

[Laika]

Sign Max Headroom, cowards!

[Jimcanuck]

https://www.prospectslive.com/lists/2020/12/22/2021-mlb-draft-top-350-prospects

 

Top 350 prospects for 2021 draft.

[Ray]

Moreno update: Slashing .373/.471/.508 through 18 games now with 11 walks and 6 K.

[RustyTrombone]

Moreno update: Slashing .373/.471/.508 through 18 games now with 11 walks and 6 K.

 

PLSSS atkins dont trade him yet!!! Value only going up!

[gruber92]

PLSSS atkins dont trade him yet!!! Value only going up!

 

Yet? I think/hope Shapiro has a realization that Moreno will end up being our guy sooner rather than later. Even if we sign Realmuto, roughly a third of the season will be beneficial being caught by the back up, while mixing Realmuto through the DH spot. Moreno is the most athletic catcher in the system and his bat is looking more and more like it will play. I hope he doesn't trade him unless it's absolutely necessary.

[EZe]

They’ll have to make a call on their C prospect depth. Most will fizzle out so trust your internal evaluation and get some value back now on the current surplus.

[Jimcanuck]

They’ll have to make a call on their C prospect depth. Most will fizzle out so trust your internal evaluation and get some value back now on the current surplus.

 

Hopefully a better valuation this time then the last time, that self proclaimed top 10 catcher.

[Ray]

6 Jays in the Baseball-America Top 100, 2nd most amongst teams.

 

14. Nate Pearson

19. Austin Martin

34. Jordan Groshans

69. Simeon Woods-Richardson

70. Alejandro Kirk

96. Orelvis Martinez

 

Manoah and Moreno are probably on the periphery as well. Great position to be in considering we graduated a lot of guys the last two years.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Ray

[Jimcanuck]

6 Jays in the Baseball-America Top 100, 2nd most amongst teams.

 

14. Nate Pearson

19. Austin Martin

34. Jordan Groshans

69. Simeon Woods-Richardson

70. Alejandro Kirk

96. Orelvis Martinez

 

Manoah and Moreno are probably on the periphery as well. Great position to be in considering we graduated a lot of guys the last two years.

 

And the Padres after the trades with 7. Wow.

 

Wander #1 2nd straight year, joining Andruw Jones, Joe Mauer, and Bryce Harper as the only ones to do this.

[Laika]

6 Jays in the Baseball-America Top 100, 2nd most amongst teams.

 

14. Nate Pearson

19. Austin Martin

34. Jordan Groshans

69. Simeon Woods-Richardson

70. Alejandro Kirk

96. Orelvis Martinez

 

Manoah and Moreno are probably on the periphery as well. Great position to be in considering we graduated a lot of guys the last two years.

 

Toronto is in a great spot. Kloffenstein could explode this year too, based on some of the info from his time in that independent league. Couple other guys in the system that could make a 2022 top 100 as well.

[Ryu In My House]

And the Padres after the trades with 7. Wow.

 

Wander #1 2nd straight year, joining Andruw Jones, Joe Mauer, and Bryce Harper as the only ones to do this.

 

I don't understand how that is even possible. Holy crap the Padres have a system.

[Angrioter]

 

Boobies?

[Krylian]

I hope that's not how he's gonna run down the line to hustle out an infield hit.

[Laika]

FANGRAPHS 2021 Blue Jays top prospects

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-39-prospects-toronto-blue-jays/

 

Some interesting little nuggets in there about alternate site data, exit velocities and FB velocities and such.

 

Also interesting - Julian Merryweather has a fourth option year due to some machination of the CBA and his injury history. This is relevant, I think, because it means he is optionable this year!

[Laika]

FANGRAPHS 2021 Blue Jays top prospects

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-39-prospects-toronto-blue-jays/

 

Some interesting little nuggets in there about alternate site data, exit velocities and FB velocities and such.

 

Also interesting - Julian Merryweather has a fourth option year due to some machination of the CBA and his injury history. This is relevant, I think, because it means he is optionable this year!

 

I just read the bottom. Ummmmm, this seems absurd:

 

This system will probably end up near the very bottom of the farm rankings, but remember that it just recently lost two top five prospects, Cavan Biggio (who should have been a top 100 prospect), and a couple of good role players, including Thomas Hatch and Anthony Kay, who graduated due to the weird 2020 rookie eligibility rule changes rather than traditional innings totals. The system looks thin but at least there are young big leaguers entrenched at key positions.

[Brownie19]

FANGRAPHS 2021 Blue Jays top prospects

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-39-prospects-toronto-blue-jays/

 

Some interesting little nuggets in there about alternate site data, exit velocities and FB velocities and such.

 

Also interesting - Julian Merryweather has a fourth option year due to some machination of the CBA and his injury history. This is relevant, I think, because it means he is optionable this year!

 

Aggressive ETA projection on Beltre...

 

[Brownie19]

Did Keith Law write the blurb on Martin? f*** me.

[Orgfiller]

Did Keith Law write the blurb on Martin? f*** me.

 

What's so bad about what he wrote on Martin?

 

I think he’s likely to play a couple different positions at a passable level, at least one up the middle (either second or center), and the portion of his offense that drove his amateur stock, namely his elite plate discipline and feel for contact, will carry him to production on par with an above-average regular, à la Ben Zobrist. Martin’s swing decisions are fantastic, and the combination of selectivity and his gorgeous, natural swing loft give him an excellent chance of hitting for some power despite middling raw juice.

 

Sounds like a pretty good prospect to me. It's fine to have a different opinion from the industry and present some skepticism for a guy, while I can't speak to "he did not look elite from an eyeball scouting perspective" which is dumn scouty talk he gave some potentially valid criticism of him while also praising his hitting ability.

 

What doesn't make sense and contradicts this entire list is him listing a 60 FV, a 55 FV and 5 other 50 FV prospects along with Manoah on the cusp and claiming that this team will rank near the bottom of the farm rankings. Either his methodology for ranking farm systems is very flawed and he doesn't consider having a number of 50 FVs more valuable than a million 40 FVs or he's contradicting his own rankings of the 45+ and above tier prospects.

[metafour]

Did Keith Law write the blurb on Martin? f*** me.

 

Keith Law is actually extremely high on Martin lol.

[Ray]

Also lists Zach Britton as a catcher when he’s an OF.

[L54]

Fangraphs suxxx. You cannot rank a farm system with five top 100 prospects at the very bottom lol.

 

Seattle would still be a top 10 farm even if they only had three prospects. Longenhagen has always come across as a weird inferiority complex guy

[Laika]

Fangraphs suxxx. You cannot rank a farm system with five top 100 prospects at the very bottom lol.

 

Seattle would still be a top 10 farm even if they only had three prospects. Longenhagen has always come across as a weird inferiority complex guy

 

It honestly reads as if there is a personal bias, like Longenhagen has been treated rudely by Blue Jays people.

[G-Snarls]

Fangraphs suxxx. You cannot rank a farm system with five top 100 prospects at the very bottom lol.

 

Seattle would still be a top 10 farm even if they only had three prospects. Longenhagen has always come across as a weird inferiority complex guy

 

If I want stats I go to fangraphs or BBREF

 

If I want farm and prospect information I go to Baseball America

 

If I want thoughtful sports writing I go to CNNSI or The Athletic

[Ray]

Seems like Longenhagen doesn't know that Kloffenstein has touched 99 mph.

[Krylian]

Not much love for Winck either. Didn't know he played hurt in 2019...and was still quite good. And yet couldn't crack the list.

[Laika]

If I want stats I go to fangraphs or BBREF

 

If I want farm and prospect information I go to Baseball America

 

If I want thoughtful sports writing I go to CNNSI or The Athletic

 

Baseball America doesn't rank and write up ~40 Blue Jays prospects though (really not sure why they haven't expanded their top 10 lists by now with how thirsty the internet is for information).

 

The Athletic has s***** writers too. Jim Bowden is on their staff...

 

Fangraphs is good!

[Ryu In My House]

Aggressive ETA projection on Beltre...

 

 

40 FV doesn't seem aggressive to me. 45+ would have been eye popping. Clearly I am missing something.

[Ryu In My House]

Baseball America doesn't rank and write up ~40 Blue Jays prospects though (really not sure why they haven't expanded their top 10 lists by now with how thirsty the internet is for information).

 

The Athletic has s***** writers too. Jim Bowden is on their staff...

 

Fangraphs is good!

 

I fired The Athletic when they fired Stoeten. I loved Stoeten's pieces. Check out his free stuff, now. I love his takes on things. He doesn't do hot takes.