Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[John_Havok]

They are still really low on Kevin Smith (45 FV) and Cavan (40+). Nice to see the worst team in Baseball doesn't have anyone in the top 100.

 

Clearly you haven't read up on Orioles Hangout.Com where their PAID prospect evaluator has pegged them with a top 10 system and 47 players with 45+ future value.

[Boxcar]

They are still really low on Kevin Smith (45 FV) and Cavan (40+). Nice to see the worst team in Baseball doesn't have anyone in the top 100.

 

What they lack in top end, they make up for in having 20 future average major leaguers.

[jays4life19]

Clearly you haven't read up on Orioles Hangout.Com where their PAID prospect evaluator has pegged them with a top 10 system and 47 players with 45+ future value.

 

Todd joined the Orioles hangout? Neato. I'll have to join

[Boxcar]

Pardhino, too.

 

Oh yeah, because they've signed SOME pitching or drafted SOME pitching, it means that I'm wrong. Damn, I was sure they were trying to be the first team in history to just employ position players but looks like my whole theory has been unravelled by GD Jr. and Big Red.

[Orgfiller]

Oh yeah, because they've signed SOME pitching or drafted SOME pitching, it means that I'm wrong. Damn, I was sure they were trying to be the first team in history to just employ position players but looks like my whole theory has been unravelled by GD Jr. and Big Red.

 

What are you talking about? You said our best minor league pitchers are Borucki and SRF, while Pearson has routinely been rated higher by prospect sites. I don't have an issue with SRF being considered our best pitching prospect for what it's worth, but I think if you asked most prior to the season Pearson would have been that guy.

[Spanky__99]

Clearly you haven't read up on Orioles Hangout.Com where their PAID prospect evaluator has pegged them with a top 10 system and 47 players with 45+ future value.

 

Where's this on their site? Is this that Luke Siler dude? Yeah, it's him... Wow... 3 - 55's, 10 - 50's, 6 - 45's, 22 - 40's that's nutz!

 

http://www.orioleshangout.com/2018/08/25/lukes-midseason-top-50-adding-the-prospects-from-the-gausman-schoop-deals/

Edited September 19, 2018 by Spanky99

[Spanky__99]

Oh yeah, because they've signed SOME pitching or drafted SOME pitching, it means that I'm wrong. Damn, I was sure they were trying to be the first team in history to just employ position players but looks like my whole theory has been unravelled by GD Jr. and Big Red.

 

lol... what's wrong with you man? It's no secret that they have some high upside arms along with the guys you mentioned.

[Boxcar]

What are you talking about? You said our best minor league pitchers are Borucki and SRF, while Pearson has routinely been rated higher by prospect sites. I don't have an issue with SRF being considered our best pitching prospect for what it's worth, but I think if you asked most prior to the season Pearson would have been that guy.

 

Ok, then change it to back end top 100 prospect with 21.2 pro innings under his belt. Was making a point about the lack of pitching upside and that point still stands despite your persistent pedantry.

 

Also, I was directly referring to the BA blurb above that. Quite bizarre.

[Jimcanuck]

Ok, then change it to back end top 100 prospect with 21.2 pro innings under his belt. Was making a point about the lack of pitching upside and that point still stands despite your persistent pedantry.

 

Also, I was directly referring to the BA blurb above that. Quite bizarre.

 

lol, stop being so sensitive man

[Laika]

Was making a point about the lack of pitching upside and that point still stands despite your persistent pedantry.

 

You whined about the lack of high-upside SP prospects while failing to mention the two highest-upside arms (possibly) in the system.

[Olerud363]

Pardhino, too.

 

Statistically and biographically Pardinho is a pitching version of Wander Franco.

 

Both are 17, both are statistically among the best players in the Appy league, both were top rated international signings, both have amazing k/bb.

 

Franco is already a top 10 prospect on some lists headed for #1 overall early next year. As far as I know Pardinho hasn't even reached top 100.

 

Is it because of TINSTAAPP?? Or scouting reports??

 

Pearson looked headed for a breakout, then unfortunately got the injury.

 

Pearson and Pardinho have huge potential. If they are healthy and perform next year they could both be ready to help in 2020. That may seem extreme, and it doesn't mean they will be called up in 2020 (because of service time stuff)... if the Jays are good in 2020, then Pearson and Pardinho could be ready to help, in the same way Osuna was ready to help in 2015 **

 

** (not that I advocate making either a short reliever, maybe a long reliever/opener in the new pitching paradimes that will be propagating like crazy in the next couple of years).

[Pendleton]

lol... what's wrong with you man? It's no secret that they have some high upside arms along with the guys you mentioned.

 

He defaults to being an ******* rather than ever admitting he's wrong about anything.

[metafour]

Statistically and biographically Pardinho is a pitching version of Wander Franco.

 

Both are 17, both are statistically among the best players in the Appy league, both were top rated international signings, both have amazing k/bb.

 

Franco is already a top 10 prospect on some lists headed for #1 overall early next year. As far as I know Pardinho hasn't even reached top 100.

 

Is it because of TINSTAAPP?? Or scouting reports??

 

Franco and Pardinho are only similar in age and relative polish. Franco is getting hyped because he has superstar tools, whereas Pardinho only has good but not elite stuff on top of an obviously below-average frame. Its an upside thing.

[THANOS]

Franco and Pardinho are only similar in age and relative polish. Franco is getting hyped because he has superstar tools, whereas Pardinho only has good but not elite stuff on top of an obviously below-average frame. Its an upside thing.

 

I would argue that he does have elite stuff. He has a Mid-90s FB that tops out around 97/98mph, and has an elite breaking ball from most reports, a flawless delivery and great control. His height is the only sub-par critique and that can't be quantified in a stat.

[Laika]

I would argue that he does have elite stuff. He has a Mid-90s FB that tops out around 97/98mph, and has an elite breaking ball from most reports, a flawless delivery and great control. His height is the only sub-par critique and that can't be quantified in a stat.

 

This appears to be false, unless most of the public reports are wrong. I've always read 92-93 touching 95

[metafour]

I would argue that he does have elite stuff. He has a Mid-90s FB that tops out around 97/98mph, and has an elite breaking ball from most reports, a flawless delivery and great control. His height is the only sub-par critique and that can't be quantified in a stat.

 

He is more often 90-93 in games than he is "mid 90's and topping 97/98". The secondary stuff is good, but again, his height will make most of his stuff play down some just like it does with Stroman. If you take into account his playoff start where he got bombed, he gave up 7 HR's in 51 IP (1.23 per 9 innings) this season which shows that his lack of height is likely already giving him leverage problems.

 

Pardinho is more of a good-stuff/high-floor type than a "superstar". A mid rotation type if everything clicks, whereas Franco is an Acuna/Vlad/Soto type player. You need to temper expectations here, his stuff isn't even at Stroman-level yet and Stroman is hardly "elite".

[Krylian]

This appears to be false, unless most of the public reports are wrong. I've always read 92-93 touching 95

 

I think that's where he usually is, but I've read that he has topped out at 97 several times

[Spanky__99]

This appears to be false, unless most of the public reports are wrong. I've always read 92-93 touching 95

 

That was at 16 years old though, have you read any updates on his stuff since, it's nice that he has 4 pitches and that fastball command? Maybe THANOS has something, I'll keep searching as I watch this ballgame.

[Laika]

That was at 16 years old though, have you read any updates on his stuff since, it's nice that he has 4 pitches and that fastball command? Maybe THANOS has something, I'll keep searching as I watch this ballgame.

 

Even the Sportsnet stuff from this summer says 92-93, but it emphasizes his command, poise, yada yada yada.

 

I've always thought of Pardinho like Julio Urias for some reason. I don't think it's fair to say he his only mid-rotation upside but I also don't think it's reasonable to dream on him yet. Just so little.

[metafour]

That was at 16 years old though, have you read any updates on his stuff since, it's nice that he has 4 pitches and that fastball command? Maybe THANOS has something, I'll keep searching as I watch this ballgame.

 

I followed his games this season. He is not throwing "high 90's" or sitting mid 90's LOL. Its more sitting low 90's and touching mid 90's.

 

Temper expectations. He is good and polished, he isn't a superstar. He is also able to bully rookie-ball hitters right now with his advanced feel for pitching and that becomes much harder the higher you climb.

[P2F]

My scouting report on Pardinho on the Radio Scouts Podcast mentioned that he has touched 97 on multiple occasions. And as any of you regular listeners out there know, whatever we say on the podcast is automatically true.

[Spanky__99]

He is more often 90-93 in games than he is "mid 90's and topping 97/98". The secondary stuff is good, but again, his height will make most of his stuff play down some just like it does with Stroman. If you take into account his playoff start where he got bombed, he gave up 7 HR's in 51 IP (1.23 per 9 innings) this season which shows that his lack of height is likely already giving him leverage problems.

 

Pardinho is more of a good-stuff/high-floor type than a "superstar". A mid rotation type if everything clicks, whereas Franco is an Acuna/Vlad/Soto type player. You need to temper expectations here, his stuff isn't even at Stroman-level yet and Stroman is hardly "elite".

 

He's still not physically mature in either height or weight, I'd wait a bit before we think he stunts at Stroman, that's without knowing his family genetics, etc...

[Spanky__99]

Even the Sportsnet stuff from this summer says 92-93, but it emphasizes his command, poise, yada yada yada.

 

I've always thought of Pardinho like Julio Urias for some reason. I don't think it's fair to say he his only mid-rotation upside but I also don't think it's reasonable to dream on him yet. Just so little.

 

 

That's fair.

 

I followed his games this season. He is not throwing "high 90's" or sitting mid 90's LOL. Its more sitting low 90's and touching mid 90's.

 

Temper expectations. He is good and polished, he isn't a superstar. He is also able to bully rookie-ball hitters right now with his advanced feel for pitching and that becomes much harder the higher you climb.

 

I don't get the LOL's from you, but thanks as I've said above to Laika that's fair, he's incredibly young, right?

[metafour]

The fact that he's young means less than it does for most players because he isn't expected to grow much and his frame is already developed. If you want to believe that an 18 year old will grow 4 inches overnight, go ahead, but what you see is more than likely what he is.

[Spanky__99]

The fact that he's young means less than it does for most players because he isn't expected to grow much and his frame is already developed. If you want to believe that an 18 year old will grow 4 inches overnight, go ahead, but what you see is more than likely what he is.

 

Right, and I said that, when?

 

As for the bolded, is this true... I've seen plenty of 17/18 year olds sprout, it's why I mentioned genetics, etc...

 

Found this on his stature, amongst other stuff...

 

Kiley McDaniels

 

Pardinho jumped on the national prospect scene when he hit 95 mph as a 15-year-old at a televised international tournament. Fans then learned what scouts already knew: the Brazilian right-hander was one of the top arms in his July 2 class. He pitched in front of lots of heat in a January showcase for scouts in Florida, shortening the trip for many who didn’t want to head to South America. He sat 90-93 mph for a couple innings then, with an above-average two-plane breaking ball and a changeup that flashed average.

 

At a nearly maxed-out 5-foot-10, he isn’t very projectable, but he’s still young enough that there could be more velocity and he’s already been into the mid-90s. Pardinho isn’t just a thrower, showing the elements for command and feel for his craft, along with a Japanese-inspired delivery — a result of the Japanese cultural/baseball influence in Brazil, one which is also part of Pardinho’s own heritage.

Edited September 19, 2018 by Spanky99

[Spanky__99]

Relevant... meh, I can see him improve as he moves up.

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-prospect-eric-pardinho-making-smooth-transition-pro-ball/

 

He'll certainly be fun to follow.

[metafour]

Yes, his Japanese/South American genetics obviously suggest that he'll be 6'5 by 21.

[Spanky__99]

Yes, his Japanese/South American genetics obviously suggest that he'll be 6'5 by 21.

 

You're not normal, Holy f***! I'm asking questions and finding s*** you said, but hey... be a dick. You and Boxbike should hang out, besties!

[Krylian]

Pardinho is staying tiny. That's just the way it is.

[Spanky__99]

Pardinho is staying tiny. That's just the way it is.