Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Olerud363]

Relax, the world isn't going to end.

 

I am not overreacting, so many of the Jays top prospects have crashed in 2018, Vlad, arthritic knees, have halved his career production (he has been moved from Frank Thomas 1990s version, which he could of been without the bad knees, to Frank Thomas 2000s version in a blink of an eye)... Bo has gone from potential batting champ, to not barely .280... so sad.

 

Now Kevin Smith was the only hope.... Sort of a awesome power hitting short stop with mad D skills, and .300 average... KLaw crushed part of the dream... this extra 0/3, a statistical screw up could be the straw that broke the camel's back.

[MarcoSanchez]

https://bluejaysaggr.com/stories/140118/alex-anthopoulos-regrets-letting-ben-zobrist-get-away-at-the-2015-trade-deadline.html

 

Depressing story about how AA didn't trade Tellez for Zobrist, which eventually resulted in him moving to KC. Probably cost us the WS,

[jaysguy44]

https://bluejaysaggr.com/stories/140118/alex-anthopoulos-regrets-letting-ben-zobrist-get-away-at-the-2015-trade-deadline.html

 

Depressing story about how AA didn't trade Tellez for Zobrist, which eventually resulted in him moving to KC. Probably cost us the WS,

 

Isn't this old news?

[MarcoSanchez]

Isn't this old news?

 

Old wounds hurt the most.

[glory]

Groshans 1-4 with a 2b and 2 walks today (1 k).

[P2F]

DH (Pittsburgh): Has Bichette's defense improved enough that you'd say he's likely to stay at short for the next 5+ years? How likely? 60%?

Ben Badler: He's a shortstop now. Some of it depends on the circumstances of who he's ultimately teammates with, but I feel very comfortable with him defensively at shortstop.

 

Matthew (Toronto): Hey Ben, How concerned would you be about Vlad Jr., given the recent knee injury? Does the injury affect how you evaluate him, or would you rather wait for more information to come out?

Ben Badler: Not much concern. The Blue Jays are being super conservative, and it sounds like he’ll be back shortly.

 

v (canada): what is tj zeuch ceiling?

Ben Badler: Back-end starter. Steep angle and heavy sink with a lot of groundballs, but the secondary stuff lags and doesn't allow him to miss many bats.

 

Tom (Chicago): How much would you say Miguel Hiraldo has raised his stock?

Ben Badler: It's up some, although he was already one of the best hitters in the 2017 international class, so seeing him knock around DSL pitching isn't too much of a surprise. But it's good to have more evidence to support the scouting reports on his hitting ability.

[King]

Bradley Jones retired from baseball

[Jonn]

Bradley Jones retired from baseball

 

Wow! Do you know the reason?

[Pendleton]

I am not overreacting, so many of the Jays top prospects have crashed in 2018, Vlad, arthritic knees, have halved his career production (he has been moved from Frank Thomas 1990s version, which he could of been without the bad knees, to Frank Thomas 2000s version in a blink of an eye)... Bo has gone from potential batting champ, to not barely .280... so sad.

 

Now Kevin Smith was the only hope.... Sort of a awesome power hitting short stop with mad D skills, and .300 average... KLaw crushed part of the dream... this extra 0/3, a statistical screw up could be the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

I get what you're doing, but if you could stop at some point in the near future, that would be great.

[King]

 

The Bluefield Blue Jays roster is out.

 

Notable -

 

- Former SS Emilio Guerrero and OF Josh Almonte have converted to pitching. I would like to take this time to point out that Gruber once called Almonte a future major leaguer after watching him hit a groundball single up the middle in a February spring training game.

 

- Eric Pardinho, Hagen Danner

[Pendleton]

Cre Finfrock

[THANOS]

Ben Badler is definitely my favourite to follow.

[gruber92]

Bradley Jones retired from baseball

 

Wow! Do you know the reason?

 

King told him to.

[gruber92]

T.J Zeuch 7IP 7H 0ER 0BB 7K

 

87 pitches (65 strikes)

 

12 GO 2 FO

 

ERA down to 2.47

[MarcoSanchez]

T.J Zeuch 7IP 7H 0ER 0BB 7K

 

87 pitches (65 strikes)

 

12 GO 2 FO

 

ERA down to 2.47

 

Zeuch SRF Borucki all need to get their shot soon.

[Ray]

T.J Zeuch 7IP 7H 0ER 0BB 7K

 

87 pitches (65 strikes)

 

12 GO 2 FO

 

ERA down to 2.47

 

I don’t know how he has the success he has with such a low k-rate and high H/9, but kid is making it work. It’s not sexy, but it’s effective

[Ray]

Ryan Borucki: 7IP 3H 0ER 1BB 4K.

 

Kevin Smith 1-3 with a HR and a walk. Still raking in High-A.

[Pendleton]

I don’t know how he has the success he has with such a low k-rate and high H/9, but kid is making it work. It’s not sexy, but it’s effective

 

I would have to think his saving grace is his ability to generate ground balls.

[BlueRocky]

I don’t know how he has the success he has with such a low k-rate and high H/9, but kid is making it work. It’s not sexy, but it’s effective

 

Maybe there’s some truth to that downhill angle from a 6’7 sinker baller. Or just really, really good luck. And when there’s no other explanation, just say it’s his improved changeup™.

[glory]

Zeuch's profile screams "bottom of the rotation innings eater". I'd be fine with that outcome. Would like to see more K's though.

[Brownie19]

I would have to think his saving grace is his ability to generate ground balls.

 

+ he limits the walks...

[gruber92]

Zeuch's profile screams "bottom of the rotation innings eater". I'd be fine with that outcome. Would like to see more K's though.

 

You could have said the same thing about a young Roy Halladay while he was sent back down.

[King]

Looks like the Cardinals moved Conner Greene to the bullpen where he belongs

[burlingtonbandit]

Zeuch's profile screams "bottom of the rotation innings eater". I'd be fine with that outcome. Would like to see more K's though.

 

Well if he has below average secondaries with no "out" pitch theres going to be limited Ks.

[Ray]

I would have to think his saving grace is his ability to generate ground balls.

 

Not that more K's or limiting hits is the be all end all when it comes to evaluating pitching prospects, but coming into todays game he had a 4.7 K/9 and 7.9 H/9. That seems low on the K's and high on the hits even for a groundball oriented pitcher.

 

I'm hoping he can make it work in the majors. The good news he seems to really limit homers and walks. Also seems like he can go deep into games because of the groundballs.

[Ray]

Also of note: after the slow start to the season, Ryan Noda is hitting .400/.463/.889 in June with 7HR. Seems like he made an adjustment.

[43211234]

 

- Former SS Emilio Guerrero and OF Josh Almonte have converted to pitching. I would like to take this time to point out that Gruber once called Almonte a future major leaguer after watching him hit a groundball single up the middle in a February spring training game.

 

- Eric Pardinho, Hagen Danner

 

I wonder how much rope Hagen Danner gets before converting to pitching also. Going into the draft it wasn't sure whether he be picked as a pitcher or a catcher.

 

It was only 34 games but it's hard for a second round pick to be worse than he was in rookie ball last year.

[Olerud363]

I get what you're doing, but if you could stop at some point in the near future, that would be great.

 

No one seems to understand that a pristine injury history is extremely important for a prospect. While you all go to town on ******** reasons prospects fail (like Travis Snider's "hole in the swing"), very few of you understand injury history.

 

Travis Snider had repeated wrist problems, not a hole in the swing, a bad f***ing wrist that got him in the end. Brett Lawrie had several injuries that ruined his career. Even going to back a ways Eric Hinske had a hamate issue that stunted his growth. Travis D'arunaud...

 

Nick Johnson was the greatest hitting prospect ever until injuries got him.

 

On the other hand guys like Pujols and Cabrerra, and Frank Thomas, who had the 20s we wanted Vlad to have, had pristine injury histories in their 20s.

 

Vlad's injury is significant. it's a bad thing. it's a red flag. Sorry if you can't deal with it.

 

His career isn't over. I don't think his leg will fall off, but like Nick Johnson, he may never have his great years. Johnson skipped his awesome 20s stage, and went right to Frank Thomas 30s stage. Vlad might to. Expect occasional glimpses of brilliance, extended absences, and extended periods where he's a bit injured and not hitting like he could without injuries.

[Krylian]

Trade Vladdy and get whatever you can for him before he Donaldson's us.

[Pendleton]

No one seems to understand that a pristine injury history is extremely important for a prospect. While you all go to town on ******** reasons prospects fail (like Travis Snider's "hole in the swing"), very few of you understand injury history.

 

Travis Snider had repeated wrist problems, not a hole in the swing, a bad f***ing wrist that got him in the end. Brett Lawrie had several injuries that ruined his career. Even going to back a ways Eric Hinske had a hamate issue that stunted his growth. Travis D'arunaud...

 

Nick Johnson was the greatest hitting prospect ever until injuries got him.

 

On the other hand guys like Pujols and Cabrerra, and Frank Thomas, who had the 20s we wanted Vlad to have, had pristine injury histories in their 20s.

 

Vlad's injury is significant. it's a bad thing. it's a red flag. Sorry if you can't deal with it.

 

His career isn't over. I don't think his leg will fall off, but like Nick Johnson, he may never have his great years. Johnson skipped his awesome 20s stage, and went right to Frank Thomas 30s stage. Vlad might to. Expect occasional glimpses of brilliance, extended absences, and extended periods where he's a bit injured and not hitting like he could without injuries.

 

Like I said, at some point in the near future, thanks.