Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[P2F]

Yep, although it's not like they promised he could play 3B forever. They wanted to make his transition to pro ball as comfortable as possible, and I guess they figured he could either hack it there or he'd play himself off it eventually.

 

The Red Sox did the same thing with Moncada - gave him his choice of position.

[Krylian]

He's literally Miguel Cabrera.

 

Literally.

[Dr. Dinger]

I like developing prospects up the defensive spectrum anyway. It keeps them operating at the upper limits of their athleticism, and obviously the roster flexibility is good at the MLB level even if they can only sort of play the position

 

Yeah I see him as a 4 corner guy for a few years in MLB. It will depend on how beefy he gets, but I think he'll be versatile (while not really excelling at any of those positions except maybe 1B).

[Laika]

He's literally Miguel Cabrera.

 

Miggy at 19 in the FSL:

.274/.333/.421

 

Vlad at 18 in the FSL:

.336/.456/.492

[Dr. Dinger]

He's literally Miguel Cabrera.

 

No, that would be Rafael Devers.

[Orgfiller]

The Red Sox did the same thing with Moncada - gave him his choice of position.

 

Although Moncada is far more athletic.

[Dr. Dinger]

lol... I thought you were kidding.

 

Nope, although I won't go digging for the source, I read an article maybe like 2 years ago where AA asked Vladdy what position he wanted to play. Probably one of the concessions we had to make to get him signed.

[Dr. Dinger]

Although Moncada is far more athletic.

 

There is a difference between physical fitness and athleticism. Fitness is how muscular and lean you are -- Moncada is an incredible physical specimen. Athleticism is an aptitude for sports and the ability to self-improve in athletic endeavors, and Moncada may be overrated in this regard. I feel like these ideas are too often used interchangeably. Devers might be a better athlete than Moncada despite being pudgy, his baseball acumen is prodigious. Meanwhile, you could have a chiseled monster like Khris Davis who is just dogshit defensively and can't throw a ball through tissue paper, is he athletic? I would argue not.

[Terminator]

Danny Jansen made Fangraphs "Fringe Five" list (which lists unheralded prospects who haven't ever appeared on any lists and could make it) for once, although it wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement. Here's the blurb, interesting to note that poor remarks regarding his defense:

 

Danny Jansen, C, Toronto (Profile)

The comments section of last week’s edition of the Five was populated mostly by kind remarks concerning the birth of the present author’s son. It was populated second-mostly by readers very concerned about the continued absence of Toronto prospect Danny Jansen from this weekly column.

 

The purpose of this entry is to address the concerns of those readers and to provide my Official Remarks on Danny Jansen, offered below in brief, numbered sections, much like a difficult text by Ludwig Wittgenstein.

 

1. Danny Jansen’s offensive indicators are impressive. He has consistently recorded better-than-average strikeout rates and average-ish power numbers as a professional. This is particularly noteworthy, given the low offensive demands of his position.

2. For this reason, Jansen has not only appeared previously as part of the Next Five but has also become the subject of his own segment during a weekly Blue Jays podcast that I conduct with managing editor Dave Cameron.

3. Nevertheless, there remain very real concerns about Jansen’s defensive capacities. The reports from lead prospect analyst Eric Longenhagen are not optimistic. The numbers support these observations: according to the methodology used by Baseball Prospectus, Jansen has recorded roughly -7 runs as a catcher already this year.

4. If he’s unable to remain at catcher, Jansen’s slide down the positional spectrum will be dramatic. To first base, likely. That’s a swing of roughly 2.5 wins per season. It’s unlikely he’d be able to compensate for that offensively.

5. Therefore, I’m unlikely to include him among the Five in the foreseeable future.

6. That said, I am frequently wrong.

7. Perhaps even usually wrong.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fringe-five-baseballs-most-compelling-fringe-prospects-99/

[P2F]

Danny Jansen made Fangraphs "Fringe Five" list (which lists unheralded prospects who haven't ever appeared on any lists and could make it) for once, although it wasn't exactly a ringing endorsement. Here's the blurb, interesting to note that poor remarks regarding his defense:

 

 

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-fringe-five-baseballs-most-compelling-fringe-prospects-99/

 

On the Pitch Talks Jays podcast that he and Cameron do, they have a regular Danny Jansen update segment lol.

[Terminator]

On the Pitch Talks Jays podcast that he and Cameron do, they have a regular Danny Jansen update segment lol.

 

Nice lol. I need to check that out.

[Terminator]

What do you guys think of Mississauga native Josh Naylor? Only 20 and hitting alright enough in AA but the 70 raw power isn't translating into game power. Will he ever tap into it?

[John_Havok]

Tatis Jr was skipped overy High A and will report to AA as an 18 year old.

 

Good or bad move?

[Terminator]

Tatis Jr was skipped overy High A and will report to AA as an 18 year old.

 

Good or bad move?

 

I think it's fine. There's not much minor league ball yet. Perhaps they can see how he handles it and then start him off next year in High A or AA depending on how he seems to do?

[Abomination]

Tatis Jr was skipped overy High A and will report to AA as an 18 year old.

 

Good or bad move?

 

Probably not a big deal either way.

[John_Havok]

I think it's fine. There's not much minor league ball yet. Perhaps they can see how he handles it and then start him off next year in High A or AA depending on how he seems to do?

 

Seems aggressive to me though maybe they think the hitter haven California League wouldn't really tell them anything if he was moved there

[Dr. Dinger]

Tatis Jr was skipped overy High A and will report to AA as an 18 year old.

 

Good or bad move?

 

AA San Antonio Missions are in the playoff hunt whereas the A+ Lake Elsinore Storm are in last place. Maybe they wanted to promote him while also giving him a taste of some minor league playoffs?

[Laika]

What do you guys think of Mississauga native Josh Naylor? Only 20 and hitting alright enough in AA but the 70 raw power isn't translating into game power. Will he ever tap into it?

 

It's like his prospect value has barely moved since the draft. Obviously he can hit, the stats/peripherals/age are good (he was the 6th youngest qualified player in the California league), but he needs 60 game power if he's ever going to be a useful MLB player.

 

If he was a Mets prospect everyone would love him. It basically all comes down to whether or not he learns to hit with power consistently in games. He's not going to be a guy like Smoak who will hang around until he's 30 getting a chance to figure it out because of defense, a good work ethic, etc.

 

I wouldn't care about owning him in, say, a 20 team dynasty league. Meh. Fat.

[Terminator]

It's like his prospect value has barely moved since the draft. Obviously he can hit, the stats/peripherals/age are good (he was the 6th youngest qualified player in the California league), but he needs 60 game power if he's ever going to be a useful MLB player.

 

If he was a Mets prospect everyone would love him. It basically all comes down to whether or not he learns to hit with power consistently in games. He's not going to be a guy like Smoak who will hang around until he's 30 getting a chance to figure it out because of defense, a good work ethic, etc.

 

I wouldn't care about owning him in, say, a 20 team dynasty league. Meh. Fat.

 

Thanks. I read that his approach is kind of the problem but I don't know if that's true. He has good contact skills and will swing and make contact at pitches that aren't drivable, or so say the reports that I read. That could be true but his walk rate is up this year so he's showing more patience, not sure. He does hit a lot of ground balls so maybe it's his swing plane. He's not really at Hosmer levels or anything though. I'm considering picking him up in a 12 team, 12 man MiLB roster dynasty league.

[BTS]

I see Naylor as a non-prospect. He's fat, so you have to project him as like 120 wRC+ guy to think he's going to be useful, but he hasn't hit for any power. Fat guy with no power who stabbed a teammate in the hand and has a Billy Butler ceiling. Pass.

[Laika]

Thanks. I read that his approach is kind of the problem but I don't know if that's true. He has good contact skills and will swing and make contact at pitches that aren't drivable, or so say the reports that I read. That could be true but his walk rate is up this year so he's showing more patience, not sure. He does hit a lot of ground balls so maybe it's his swing plane. He's not really at Hosmer levels or anything though. I'm considering picking him up in a 12 team, 12 man MiLB roster dynasty league.

 

I'd rather just stat-scout someone.

[Terminator]

I see Naylor as a non-prospect. He's fat, so you have to project him as like 120 wRC+ guy to think he's going to be useful, but he hasn't hit for any power. Fat guy with no power who stabbed a teammate in the hand and has a Billy Butler ceiling. Pass.

 

I forgot he stabbed someone. Billy Butler is a good comp. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here though and was thinking maybe the 5% chance he has to turn in to a 30+ homer guy would be worth it. Here is who I am considering. Sorry for turning this thread in to a "help my fantasy team" thread but I'll stop soon. Any of these guys look interesting to anyone? Found most of these names through stat-scouting, googling prospects, looking at lists, seeing who is most owned on fantrax, etc.

 

Andres Gimenez SS

Josh Naylor 1B

Cole Tucker SS

Yusniel Diaz OF

Shed Long 2B

Tyler Beede SP

Ryan Mountcastle SS

Logan Allen SP

Cole Ragans SP

Jacob Nix SP

Isaac Paredes SS

Pedro Avila SP

Ryan Helsley SP

Danny Jansen C

Touki Toussaint SP

Christin Stewart OF

Fernando Romero SP

[jays4life19]

I forgot he stabbed someone. Billy Butler is a good comp. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here though and was thinking maybe the 5% chance he has to turn in to a 30+ homer guy would be worth it. Here is who I am considering. Sorry for turning this thread in to a "help my fantasy team" thread but I'll stop soon. Any of these guys look interesting to anyone? Found most of these names through stat-scouting, googling prospects, looking at lists, seeing who is most owned on fantrax, etc.

 

Andres Gimenez SS

Josh Naylor 1B

Cole Tucker SS

Yusniel Diaz OF

Shed Long 2B

Tyler Beede SP

Ryan Mountcastle SS

Logan Allen SP

Cole Ragans SP

Jacob Nix SP

Isaac Paredes SS

Pedro Avila SP

Ryan Helsley SP

Danny Jansen C

Touki Toussaint SP

Christin Stewart OF

Fernando Romero SP

 

There's a lot there better than Naylor. Personally i really like Mountcastle

[BTS]

I forgot he stabbed someone. Billy Butler is a good comp. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here though and was thinking maybe the 5% chance he has to turn in to a 30+ homer guy would be worth it. Here is who I am considering. Sorry for turning this thread in to a "help my fantasy team" thread but I'll stop soon. Any of these guys look interesting to anyone? Found most of these names through stat-scouting, googling prospects, looking at lists, seeing who is most owned on fantrax, etc.

 

Andres Gimenez SS

Josh Naylor 1B

Cole Tucker SS

Yusniel Diaz OF

Shed Long 2B

Tyler Beede SP

Ryan Mountcastle SS

Logan Allen SP

Cole Ragans SP

Jacob Nix SP

Isaac Paredes SS

Pedro Avila SP

Ryan Helsley SP

Danny Jansen C

Touki Toussaint SP

Christin Stewart OF

Fernando Romero SP

 

Stewart, Romero, Mountcastle, Long, Diaz, and Gimenez are all more interesting to me than Naylor. Especially Gimenez, Romero, and Mountcastle.

[Laika]

Stewart and Helsley!

[King]

I forgot he stabbed someone. Billy Butler is a good comp. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here though and was thinking maybe the 5% chance he has to turn in to a 30+ homer guy would be worth it. Here is who I am considering. Sorry for turning this thread in to a "help my fantasy team" thread but I'll stop soon. Any of these guys look interesting to anyone? Found most of these names through stat-scouting, googling prospects, looking at lists, seeing who is most owned on fantrax, etc.

 

Andres Gimenez SS

Josh Naylor 1B

Cole Tucker SS

Yusniel Diaz OF

Shed Long 2B

Tyler Beede SP

Ryan Mountcastle SS

Logan Allen SP

Cole Ragans SP

Jacob Nix SP

Isaac Paredes SS

Pedro Avila SP

Ryan Helsley SP

Danny Jansen C

Touki Toussaint SP

Christin Stewart OF

Fernando Romero SP

Isaac Paredes. 18 years old with a 149 wRC+ in Low A for the Tigers. Not Tatis or Vlad level but he looks like he could be a top tier prospect in the '99 age group

[P2F]

I echo the sentiments for Paredes.

 

Also, is Michel Baez available?

[Terminator]

I echo the sentiments for Paredes.

 

Also, is Michel Baez available?

 

Unfortunately he's not.

[Terminator]

Thanks for the tips everyone. Might target Paredes, Mountcastle and Helesley for now.

[Spanky99]

What do you guys think of Mississauga native Josh Naylor? Only 20 and hitting alright enough in AA but the 70 raw power isn't translating into game power. Will he ever tap into it?

 

Well, he's only 20.