Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[metafour]

Falling: Woodman, Palacios, McGuire, Ramirez, Rios, Tellez, Urena?, Pruitt, Murphy, Gudino

 

Pruitt is 'falling' by not even taking an at-bat? His season hasn't even started yet. Also, Gudino is 'rising' if anything as this is literally his first season to actually show anything with the bat, and he's still only 20 in A-ball.

[Laika]

Pruitt is 'falling' by not even taking an at-bat?

 

Yes, inferred by level. There was some hope that at 20 years old he would be assigned to full season. It's not a huge deal but it is a league where there are routinely 30+ qualified teenagers.

 

Also, Gudino is 'rising' if anything as this is literally his first season to actually show anything with the bat, and he's still only 20 in A-ball.

 

Gudino has a .615 OPS, with six extra base hits all year. He's been a zero with the bat. lol @ rising

[metafour]

Gudino has a .615 OPS, with six extra base hits all year. He's been a zero with the bat. lol @ rising

 

Its still his best offensive season to date, and he's doing it at the highest level he's been. My argument isn't that he's a top prospect all of a sudden, its that he is in fact getting better. Its not like he was considered a top prospect for us going into this season, so I'm not even sure why he made your list. He is, in fact, rising. Rising a lot? Not really.

[Laika]

Its still his best offensive season to date, and he's doing it at the highest level he's been. My argument isn't that he's a top prospect all of a sudden, its that he is in fact getting better. Its not like he was considered a top prospect for us going into this season, so I'm not even sure why he made your list. He is, in fact, rising. Rising a lot? Not really.

 

Gudino was a bonus baby four years ago. He got over $1M as a signing bonus. Every year he doesn't hit is a tumble. He's still tumbling. Just stop.

[burlingtonbandit]

We haven't had an impact prospect bat this hyped since Travis Snider.

 

Brett Lawrie? Wasn't he in the top 3 behind Trout and Harper on someone's list.

[TheHurl]

Brett Lawrie? Wasn't he in the top 3 behind Trout and Harper on someone's list.

 

I thought Jesus or Matt Moore were #3 on most lists that year.

 

For Lawrie from what I can find

 

BA - 40

MLB - Not top 50

Project Prospect - NR (and produced some of the best threads)

BP 57

KLaw 37

Fangraphs 34

[burlingtonbandit]

I thought Jesus or Matt Moore were #3 on most lists that year.

 

For Lawrie from what I can find

 

BA - 40

MLB - Not top 50

Project Prospect - NR (and produced some of the best threads)

BP 57

KLaw 37

Fangraphs 34

 

I think it was after his breakout last 2 months. Maybe he didn't have prospect eligibility left but the person said that's where he would have ranked.

[Jonn]

There are only 5 prospects worth paying attention to on our farm.

 

1. Vlad Jr

2. Bo

3. Alford

4. Pentecoast

5. Rowdy

 

Pitching is dismal but that's expected after we traded our best guys. Everyone else just filler.

 

The fact that you left off SRF because he had a few bad starts is laughable. Pentecost is barely considered a prospect anymore unless he can catch everyday and be promoted soon. He's definitely not in the top 5 to watch. Possibly the top 10.

[metafour]

Gudino was a bonus baby four years ago. He got over $1M as a signing bonus. Every year he doesn't hit is a tumble. He's still tumbling. Just stop.

 

Throw DJ Davis on your list too then. Sorry, it just seems like you had to reach into the mid 20's (or later) of our prospect list to make some sort of point that fits your narrative. Yes, our system is treading water because a career ~.500 OPS hitter still hasn't managed to become an elite hitter. Good point.

 

Also; Gudino's OPS by season:

.386

.516

.599

.618

 

Is he good? Not really, which isn't even the argument I'm making. How is he tumbling when he is in fact getting better every year, by actual empirical study.

[Laika]

Throw DJ Davis on your list too then. Sorry, it just seems like you had to reach into the mid 20's (or later) of our prospect list to make some sort of point that fits your narrative. Yes, our system is treading water because a career ~.500 OPS hitter still hasn't managed to become an elite hitter. Good point.

 

Also; Gudino's OPS by season:

.386

.516

.599

.618

 

Is he good? Not really, which isn't even the argument I'm making. How is he tumbling when he is in fact getting better every year, by actual empirical study.

 

I listed Gudino because he was on my personal list of guys I tabbed with potential, based largely on his purported defensive skills and 2013 bonus size. He's been disappointing this year. Big let down.

 

In unrelated news, you seem like a f***ing stooge. Try being less dumb next time you reply to me

[Jimcanuck]

I listed Gudino because he was on my personal list of guys I tabbed with potential, based largely on his purported defensive skills and 2013 bonus size. He's been disappointing this year. Big let down.

 

Never be disappointed with a prospect. They are way more likely to fail than succeed.

[Laika]

Never be disappointed with a prospect. They are way more likely to fail than succeed.

 

Jim, do you know who I am?

[Daniel Labude]

Jim, do you know who I am?

 

 

Artist rendition?

[Jimcanuck]

Jim, do you know who I am?

 

Nope. No different than anyone else, not infallible.

[Boxcar]

NJH is slightly more nubile

[KingKat]

I imagine NJH as a way too skinny guy not a fat guy for some reason.

[GreekFatAss]

Jim, do you know who I am?

 

A real life celebrity?

[Dr. Dinger]

From BP today:

 

Vladimir Guerrero Jr., 3B, Toronto Blue Jays (Low-A Lansing)

Thick, powerful lower half, mature frame with only slight projection left for growth; swing features a mild load and minimal leg kick, possesses plus bat speed with mild leverage, plus bat control, stays balanced, advanced approach at the plate, not often fooled, recognizes secondary pitches well; strong, raw power to all fields; Average speed, 4.32 average on four home to first clocks; 50-grade arm, accurate; lacks range at third base, hands can be slightly stiff, will probably necessitate a move to first base or left field.

 

 

Max Pentecost, C/1B, Toronto Blue Jays (High-A, Dunedin): 3-5, R, RBI

It is good to see Pentecost catching again, for both his prospect value, and because of all the injuries he has had to deal with. While the arm strength is still coming back, Pentecost has been smooth behind the plate. Maybe not a full-timer behind the plate, but Pentecost bat will force that decision down the road.

[Sorrow]

From BP today:

 

Vladimir Guerrero Jr., 3B, Toronto Blue Jays (Low-A Lansing)

Thick, powerful lower half, mature frame with only slight projection left for growth; swing features a mild load and minimal leg kick, possesses plus bat speed with mild leverage, plus bat control, stays balanced, advanced approach at the plate, not often fooled, recognizes secondary pitches well; strong, raw power to all fields; Average speed, 4.32 average on four home to first clocks; 50-grade arm, accurate; lacks range at third base, hands can be slightly stiff, will probably necessitate a move to first base or left field.

 

 

Max Pentecost, C/1B, Toronto Blue Jays (High-A, Dunedin): 3-5, R, RBI

It is good to see Pentecost catching again, for both his prospect value, and because of all the injuries he has had to deal with. While the arm strength is still coming back, Pentecost has been smooth behind the plate. Maybe not a full-timer behind the plate, but Pentecost bat will force that decision down the road.

 

Could be neat to have a player who's a C but also plays 1B/LF in some type of rotating super platoon.

[Brownie19]

Could be neat to have a player who's a C but also plays 1B/LF in some type of rotating super platoon.

 

Does this really work? Players that come to mind who've filled through roles are a young Napoli, Evan Gattis, Schwarber (pre knee injury), Jaso? I think they wanted Yan Gomes to be that guy. There was talk of d'Arnaud needing to become that guy because he can't handle catching that much.

 

Unless the player is a really good hitter (wRC+ > 115) - I don't see the point. Most catchers hover around the 100 wRC+ range and thus their bats don't really play elsewhere as you wouldn't expect them to be plus defensively anywhere else (except maybe 1st).

[Grant77]

Does this really work? Players that come to mind who've filled through roles are a young Napoli, Evan Gattis, Schwarber (pre knee injury), Jaso? I think they wanted Yan Gomes to be that guy. There was talk of d'Arnaud needing to become that guy because he can't handle catching that much.

 

Unless the player is a really good hitter (wRC+ > 115) - I don't see the point. Most catchers hover around the 100 wRC+ range and thus their bats don't really play elsewhere as you wouldn't expect them to be plus defensively anywhere else (except maybe 1st).

 

Ryan Doumit

[Clutchlings]

Having seen Vladdy Jr several times this year, and comparing the strides he's made in terms of his approach to training and nutrition, I would actually say that there's more than slight projection left for growth. He may not be getting bigger, but he's in the process of transforming his body. Having said that, I agree that he lacks range - his reactions to balls are good, but he has trouble getting to that slow roller to nip the batter at 1st. I still would give him another year to continue transforming his body, and I know that Mike Mordecai has been working extensively with him on his footwork. Where/when he moves will be ultimately decided by how much of a role the club thinks he will have in run prevention.

[Clutchlings]

Gudino is a smooth defender. He's one of those fast-twitch, glove-first guys that teams sign in the hopes that their bats will develop as he matures. He's actually a very intelligent and articulate kid, and his English is incredibly good for someone who's been stateside for only a couple of seasons - he has quite a vocabulary. It's doubtful that bat develops, though - not a good approach, and his strike zone gets progressively bigger as he falls behind in the count. The Blue Jays signed Kevin Vicuna hoping his bat would develop, too, and Hugo Cardona is another player in that mold. Gloves are way ahead of their bats at this point.

[Spanky__99]

Gudino is a smooth defender. He's one of those fast-twitch, glove-first guys that teams sign in the hopes that their bats will develop as he matures. He's actually a very intelligent and articulate kid, and his English is incredibly good for someone who's been stateside for only a couple of seasons - he has quite a vocabulary. It's doubtful that bat develops, though - not a good approach, and his strike zone gets progressively bigger as he falls behind in the count. The Blue Jays signed Kevin Vicuna hoping his bat would develop, too, and Hugo Cardona is another player in that mold. Gloves are way ahead of their bats at this point.

 

A bunch of J-Macs... egad.

[P2F]

From today's FanGraphs Prospects Chat:

 

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[TD=class: chat_desc]Troutmageddon: Is Bo Bichette a top 50 prospect at this point?

 

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[TD=class: chat_desc]Eric A Longenhagen: This question is essentially, “Is Bo Bichette either a low-risk above average regular or high-risk potential star?” and I think there’s an argument that he’s the latter. Not sure where he falls on the continuum of other guys who fit those descriptors or if it’s within your arbitrary endpoint, but I was certainly too low on him.

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[TD=class: chat_time, bgcolor: #CECECE]12:39[/TD]

[TD=class: chat_desc]Alex: What do you make of Jon Harris? Baseball-Reference has him almost 17 months below median pitcher age at Double-A, but the stat line is ugly. He has what appears to be an inflated HR/FB, but the other peripherals aren’t spectacular.I know the old mantra is “don’t scout the stat line”, but right now that is all I have. I was hoping you could complement that with your scouting insight.

 

 

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[TD=class: chat_time, bgcolor: #CECECE]12:40[/TD]

[TD=class: chat_desc]Eric A Longenhagen: Not totally out on him as a prospect, but I’ve heard he doesn’t look good.

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[TheHurl]

Looks to me like it's a Dunedin bench....which would make this about TJ Zeuch

 

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[Brownie19]

Looks to me like it's a Dunedin bench....which would make this about TJ Zeuch

 

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Tossing the salad. Atta boy.

[TheHurl]

I must apologize to TJ and his fiance...that is a South Bend Cubs uniform. Tyson Miller is our salad tosser.

[Maahfaace]

Congrats to Vlad Jr, Bichette, Maese and Encina on being named to the Eastern Division All-Star team!!!

 

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/2017/06/07/lansing-lugnuts-bo-bichette-vladimir-guerrerojr-midwest-league-all-stars/377499001/

Edited June 7, 2017 by Maahfaace

[Jonn]

I must apologize to TJ and his fiance...that is a South Bend Cubs uniform. Tyson Miller is our salad tosser.

 

I was about to say I feel bad for his fiance. That's a pretty savage move to eat her ass then block her. But he didn't know she was way more savage.