Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[John_Havok]

Yeah if it was present day, Vlad's hit would be maybe a 35, his fielding would be maybe a 30, Alford's hit would be a 40 or worse, etc.

 

I'm trying how to rationalize Albies at 35 by BP... I know his power is below average for HR but even if he hits 10 per season with his hit and speed tools he'll be well above average overall with the bat.

[Laika]

I'm trying how to rationalize Albies at 35 by BP... I know his power is below average for HR but even if he hits 10 per season with his hit and speed tools he'll be well above average overall with the bat.

 

At the very least, having him behind guys like Alfaro and Amir Garrett is nonsense.

[Dr. Dinger]

List links to a new video of Vlad.

 

Holy. f***.

 

I'm getting Manny Ramirez vibes.

[Dr. Dinger]

Robert Gsellman at 17 is shocking.

 

I can dig it.

[Laika]

I'm getting Manny Ramirez vibes.

 

Vlad seems incomparable to me.

[Ehjays]

BA top 100 dropped

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects/#dfojSte0pSBObeQR.97

 

20. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. 3b, Blue Jays

Hit: 60. Power: 70. Speed: 50. Fielding: 45. Arm: 55. ETA: 2020.

 

59. Anthony Alford of, Blue Jays

Hit: 60. Power: 50. Speed: 60. Fielding: 55. Arm: 40. ETA: 2018.

 

73. Lourdes Gurriel of/3B, Blue Jays

Hit: 55. Power: 55. Speed: 55. Fielding: 50. Arm: 50. ETA: 2017.

 

75. Sean Reid-Foley rhp, Blue Jays

FastbalL: 60. Slider: 60. Curveball: 55. Changeup: 45. Control: 45. ETA: 2018.

 

95. Rowdy Tellez 1b, Blue Jays

Hit: 50. Power: 60. Speed: 20. Fielding: 40. Arm: 45. ETA: 2018.

 

#StarPower

#GoodList

#GoodScouting

#BAisStillGood

 

Its nice when our farm is getting some love

[Dr. Dinger]

It seems pretty unusual that BA would have a prospect ranked as high as 20 and BP doesn't even rank that prospect.

[Laika]

It seems pretty unusual that BA would have a prospect ranked as high as 20 and BP doesn't even rank that prospect.

 

And BP is normally the outlet that tries to be "first" and hype up teenagers with extreme tools or nice skill-sets. Ex., they ranked Anderson Tejeda.

 

BP has been gutted recently in the scouting staff department. I wonder if nobody got a good look at Vlad. Or there is some stupid scouty reason like "bad body" to leave him off.

 

BP's list seems worse and worse the more I look at it. They ranked Nick Williams...

[Boxcar]

And BP is normally the outlet that tries to be "first" and hype up teenagers with extreme tools or nice skill-sets. Ex., they ranked Anderson Tejeda.

 

BP has been gutted recently in the scouting staff department. I wonder if nobody got a good look at Vlad. Or there is some stupid scouty reason like "bad body" to leave him off.

 

BP's list seems worse and worse the more I look at it. They ranked Nick Williams...

 

His bat speed was 15.78753452% lower than what they'd like to see. Approximately. One of their top scouts recently was able to read a sign from 10 feet away.

[P2F]

Too lazy to think hard. Have we ever had a number one overall prospect? Vladdy's got a shot.

Not that I can recall.

[Laika]

Too lazy to think hard. Have we ever had a number one overall prospect? Vladdy's got a shot.

 

Olerud #3 BA

Delgado #4 BA, then #5

Alex Gonzalez #4 BA, then #8

Wells #4 BA (then #12)

Snider hit #5/#6 by BP/BA

Green #6 BA

Rios #6

Jose Silva ??? #10 BA who

 

I think that's it for top 10 prospects since the era of lists began

 

Vlad will have a hard time being #1 even if he develops. The trend now is to name two way players the best in the game and Vlad will likely not have very much defensive value.

[Ray]

Delgado, Olerud, Halladay, Alex Rios and Vernon Wells were consensus Top 5 prospects in their times. Not sure if any of them were #1 though.

[Eddiek19]

Why can I not find the BP top 100 list anywhere?

[Nafro]

Why can I not find the BP top 100 list anywhere?

 

I'm not sure its been released yet.

[Laika]

Why can I not find the BP top 100 list anywhere?

 

It's in their print book but not online yet. Tomorrow.

[TheHurl]

Why can I not find the BP top 100 list anywhere?

 

P2F has it in his spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

[Nafro]

Ye ol' composite rankings updated with BA and (weird) BP lists:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AYHdbnvRKdiWSf40UwfPj37Stm7mZKCorcZCZZzNhSY/edit?usp=sharing

 

Most notable ommission I believe, Sandy Alcantara?

[Eddiek19]

P2F has it in his spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

 

It's in their print book but not online yet. Tomorrow.

 

Ok perfect, thanks.

[P2F]

Most notable ommission I believe, Sandy Alcantara?

Lol he didn't make our top 100, so he ain't included.

[jays4life19]

BA also included scouting reports for subscribers for their recently released top 100.

 

20. Vladimir Guerrero Jr., 3b, Blue Jays

 

Tools & Grades

Hit: 60. Power: 70. Speed: 50. Fielding: 45. Arm: 55. ETA: 2020.

Stats & Media

VIDEO — PLAYER CARD

Scouting Report

Vladimir Guerrero signed with the Expos in March 1993, reached the majors in 1996 and became American League MVP with the Angels in 2004, one of his nine all-star seasons. In spring training before his first all-star campaign, in 1999, his son Vladimir Jr. was born in Montreal. He grew into a hitting prospect with some of his father’s mannerisms (such as a lack of batting gloves), a strong facial resemblance and plenty more fanfare. The father signed for a $2,100 bonus, while Vladimir Jr. signed for $3.9 million. In fact, the Blue Jays traded minor leaguers Tim Locastro and Chase De Jong to the Dodgers for three international bonus slots, raising their international pool high enough just to sign the junior Guerrero. The Blue Jays first saw Guerrero take swings in their Dominican complex when he was 14 years old, after he’d already been training with his uncle Wilton, also a former major leaguer. He shifted from outfield to third base in instructional league after signing, went through his first spring training in 2016 and had a strong pro debut in the Rookie-level Appalachian League, finishing third in total bases while being the league’s youngest player. Guerrero does just about everything evaluators want to see in a teenage hitter. He has tremendous hand-eye coordination and bat-to-ball skills, to the point he seems to have been born to hit. His special hands allow him to manipulate the barrel and square up pitches of all types. He has excellent strike-zone judgment for a 17-year-old, walking nearly as often as he struck out and showing an ability to lay off breaking balls that will be further tested at higher levels. He has tremendous raw power and showed the ability to drive the ball to all fields at an advanced rate for his age. Guerrero covers the plate well and should be an above-average hitter with 30-plus homer potential down the line. Some club officials have compared his overall offensive profile to that of Edwin Encarnacion, though with more speed, as he’s actually an average runner. Like Encarnacion, Guerrero has a chance to be a third baseman early in his career. Defense was rarely a focus of his as an amateur, and moving to third base from outfield has prompted Guerrero to work harder on all aspects of that side of the ball. He has improved his short-area quickness and arm strength the most. If he keeps working on his defense, he should have average range. Once owner of a below-average arm, he now flirts with a plus tool. His footwork has improved as well, and he made the routine play with some reliability in his debut. Guerrero has gotten his stocky body in better shape since signing, but it will always be a concern and is his biggest weakness as a prospect. The Blue Jays’ high-performance team, which focuses on mental and physical training, will continue to work with Guerrero to maintain his looseness while improving his body fitness. His potential may not match his father’s, but he won’t shame his dad’s name as a ballplayer. He figures to reach low Class A Lansing in 2017, and he could make it hard for the Jays to keep him from getting to the big leagues by the time he’s 20.

 

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects-with-scouting-reports/#PFJh1rBwf7zoay3d.99

 

 

59. Anthony Alford, of, Blue Jays

 

Tools & Grades

Hit: 60. Power: 50. Speed: 60. Fielding: 55. Arm: 40. ETA: 2018.

Stats & Media

VIDEO — PLAYER CARD

Scouting Report

A two-sport prep star in Mississippi, Alford signed for $750,000 on a contract that allowed him to play college football, first at Southern Mississippi as a quarterback, then at Mississippi as a defensive back. He had 94 pro at-bats in three seasons before giving up football and breaking out in 2015, but injuries slowed him in 2016. He wrenched his right knee on Opening Day, then suffered a concussion in an outfield collision in mid-June. Alford struggled immediately after both injuries. Back to full strength in July and August, he showed the same tools and similar production he had in 2015, with a power-speed combination buoyed by good plate discipline. He lost a step with his knee injury (he was forced to wear a bulky brace), making him merely a plus runner instead of a true burner, and scouts want to see if he gets it back this offseason. He still has athleticism, strength in his swing and improving power as he’s tamed his swing a bit, giving him better bat control. Alford could still add polish in center field but has plenty of range that helps make up for a below-average arm. The Blue Jays were pleased with Alford’s big finish and maturity handling his injuries. He is ready for Double-A in 2017 and could push for a regular role in 2018.

 

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects-with-scouting-reports/#PFJh1rBwf7zoay3d.99

[jays4life19]

73. Lourdes Gurriel, 3b/of, Blue Jays

 

Tools & Grades

Hit: 55. Power: 55. Speed: 55. Fielding: 50. Arm: 50. ETA: 2017.

Stats & Media

VIDEO — PLAYER CARD

Scouting Report

Gurriel’s father, with the same name, starred for Cuban national teams (winning Olympic gold in 1992) for more than a decade, as did his older brother Yulieski. The brothers came to the U.S. in early 2016, with Yulieski signing with the Astros for a $47.5 million major league deal. Lourdes waited to sign until he turned 23 in October to get out from under the international bonus pools and signed a seven-year, $22 million contract with the Blue Jays in November. Scouts often have compared Gurriel to his father and brother, but he’s a prospect on his own, with a lean, athletic frame. He has a fairly polished offensive approach, knows the strike zone and has the bat speed to catch up to good fastballs, even though his swing has some length. It also features some loft and leverage, giving him above-average power potential. Gurriel has run better in recent years, rating from average to above-average. He played shortstop, third base and left field in Cuba and profiles best at third or in left field. He has a solid-average arm. The Blue Jays are fairly set on the left side of the infield with Troy Tulowitzki and Josh Donaldson, so the outfield looks like Gurriel’s best path to helping Toronto in the short term. He’s expected to open his pro career at Double-A New Hampshire, likely giving third base a try before a move to the outfield.

 

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects-with-scouting-reports/#PFJh1rBwf7zoay3d.99

 

 

75. Sean Reid-Foley, rhp, Blue Jays

 

Tools & Grades

Fastball: 60. Slider: 60. Curveball: 55. Changeup: 45. Control: 45. ETA: 2018.

Stats & Media

VIDEO — PLAYER CARD

Scouting Report

Reid-Foley is close to becoming the second big leaguer ever born in Guam. He would join John Hattig, who got 24 at-bats in 2006 for Toronto. Reid-Foley’s older brother David, a converted catcher, pitched in the Dodgers system and taught his younger brother a curveball last offseason, helping him have a breakout 2016 season. The only flaw was an elbow flare-up in August that prompted the Jays to shut him down. The Jays knew Reid-Foley had power stuff, which he maintained and improved in 2016 with the strides he made with his upper-70s curveball, which now rivals his slider as his best secondary pitch. At times both play as plus, though his mid-80s slider was less consistent than it had been in the past. Sent back to low Class A to start the season, Reid-Foley streamlined his leg kick in his delivery, which improved his direction to the plate, resulting in more command of his 92-94 mph fastball that touches 97. He threw harder in 2015 but has better command now while retaining good angle to the plate and solid life. His changeup, his fourth pitch, shows average potential if he can commit to it. Reid-Foley and Conner Greene should front the rotation at Double-A New Hampshire at some point in 2017. Greene’s stuff is more electric, but Reid-Foley’s strides in commanding his plus stuff gives him the edge as a potential future No. 2 starter

 

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects-with-scouting-reports/#PFJh1rBwf7zoay3d.99

 

 

95. Rowdy Tellez, 1b, Blue Jays

 

Tools & Grades

Hit: 50. Power: 60. Speed: 20. Fielding: 40. Arm: 45. ETA: 2018.

Stats & Media

VIDEO — PLAYER CARD

Scouting Report

Tellez played with future pros J.D. Davis (Astros), Dom Nunez (Rockies), Derek Hill (Tigers 2014 first-rounder) and Dylan Carlson (Cardinals 2016 first-rounder) at Elk Grove High before signing for $850,000, the largest bonus in the Blue Jays’ 2013 draft class. He had a strong 2016, ranking second in the Double-A Eastern League in on-base percentage (.387) and third in slugging (.530). A slow start (.164 in April) tested Tellez’s confidence, but he turned up his aggressiveness and rallied, hitting .318 the rest of the way. He has improved his body significantly since signing, losing 15 pounds. Scouts laud his makeup for his dedication to his fitness, which also has helped improve his power production. Tellez always has shown feel for hitting and good control for the strike zone, and he’s got plus power to punish mistakes when pitchers miss. He chased plenty of breaking balls early but adjusted and started laying off them, and he has enough bat speed to catch up to good fastballs. Tellez is a fringy defender with good enough footwork to improve to average. Tellez is the most advanced hitter among top Toronto farmhands and could hit his way to the majors in 2017, depending on how the Blue Jays’ offseason shapes up. More likely, he’ll head to Triple-A Buffalo.

 

Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-top-100-prospects-with-scouting-reports/#PFJh1rBwf7zoay3d.99

[HERPDERP]

BP list:

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=31160&utm_content=buffer4d3d1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Inb4 people dismiss BP as incompetent

[Ray]

Nice to see Gurriel get some love. It seemed as if the entire baseball world went silent on him the moment we signed him after he was so highly touted.

[Terminator]

BP list:

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=31160&utm_content=buffer4d3d1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Inb4 people dismiss BP as incompetent

 

Holy s*** they hate our farm. SRF at #85 and Alford at #93 and that's it.

[BTS]

Holy s*** they hate our farm. SRF at #85 and Alford at #93 and that's it.

 

And they think SRF is probably a reliever.

[King]

Top 100 prospects from scout.com

 

SCOUT.COM'S 2017 TOP-100 PROSPECTS RANKING

1. Andrew Benintendi, OF, Boston Red Sox

2. Dansby Swanson, SS, Atlanta Braves

3. Gleyber Torres, SS, New York Yankees

4. Alex Reyes, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals

5. Cody Bellinger,1B, Los Angeles Dodgers

6. Yoan Moncada, 2B, Chicago White Sox

7. Brendan Rodgers, SS, Colorado Rockies

8. Amed Rosario, SS, New York Mets

9. J.P. Crawford, SS, Philadelphia Phillies

10. Eloy Jimenez, OF, Chicago Cubs

11. Austin Meadows, OF, Pittsburgh Pirates

12. Lucas Giolito, RHP, Chicago White Sox

13. Victor Robles, OF, Washington Nationals

14. Tyler Glasnow, RHP, Pittsburgh Pirates

15. Ozzie Albies, SS, Atlanta Braves

16. Rafael Devers, 3B, Boston Red Sox

17. Willy Adames, SS, Tampa Bay Rays

18. Kolby Allard, LHP, Atlanta Braves

19. Lewis Brinson, OF, Milwaukee Brewers

20. Clint Frazier, OF, New York Yankees

21. Anderson Espinoza, RHP, San Diego Padres

22. Manuel Margot, OF, San Diego Padres

23. Brent Honeywell, RHP, Tampa Bay Rays

24. Nick Senzel, 3B, Cincinnati Reds

25. Jason Groome, LHP, Boston Red Sox

26. Michael Kopech, RHP, Chicago White Sox

27. James Kaprielian, RHP, New York Yankees

28. Blake Rutherford, OF, New York Yankees

29. Ian Happ, 2B, Chicago Cubs

30. Francis Martes, RHP, Houston Astros

31. Jose De Leon, RHP, Tampa Bay Rays

32. Mickey Moniak, OF, Philadelphia Phillies

33. Josh Hader, LHP, Milwaukee Brewers

34. Bradley Zimmer, OF, Cleveland Indians

35. Josh Bell, 1B, Pittsburgh Pirates

36. Kyle Lewis, OF, Seattle Mariners

37. Francisco Mejia, C, Cleveland Indians

38. Mitch Keller, RHP, Pittsburgh Pirates

39. Kevin Maitan, SS, Atlanta Braves

40. Corey Ray, OF, Milwaukee Brewers

41. Amir Garrett, LHP, Cincinnati Reds

42. Braxton Garrett, LHP, Miami Marlins

43. Nick Gordon, SS, Minnesota Twins

44. Cal Quantrill, RHP, San Diego Padres

45. Alex Verdugo, OF, Los Angeles Dodgers

46. Aaron Judge, OF, New York Yankees

47. Jake Bauers, OF/1B, Tampa Bay Rays

48. Hunter Renfroe, OF, San Diego Padres

49. Riley Pint, RHP, Colorado Rockies

50. Reynaldo Lopez, RHP, Chicago White Sox

51. Vladimir Guerrero Jr., OF, Toronto Blue Jays

52. Triston McKenzie, RHP, Cleveland Indians

53. Kevin Newman, SS, Pittsburgh Pirates

54. Yadier Alvarez, RHP, Los Angeles Dodgers

55. Mike Soroka, RHP, Atlanta Braves

56. Franklin Barreto, SS, Oakland Athletics

57. Delvin Perez, SS, St. Louis Cardinals

58. Luis Ortiz, RHP, Milwaukee Brewers

59. Walker Buehler, RHP, Los Angeles Dodgers

60. Carson Kelly, C, St. Louis Cardinals

61. Jorge Alfaro, C, Philadelphia Phillies

62. Dominic Smith, 1B, New York Mets

63. Yohander Mendez, LHP, Texas Rangers

64. Kyle Tucker, OF, Houston Astros

65. A.J. Puk, LHP, Oakland Athletics

66. Raimel Tapia, OF, Colorado Rockies

67. Jorge Mateo, SS, New York Yankees

68. Jeff Hoffman, RHP, Colorado Rockies

69. Justus Sheffield, LHP, New York Yankees

70. Matt Manning, RHP, Detroit Tigers

71. Luke Weaver, RHP, St. Louis Cardinals

72. Sean Reid-Foley, RHP, Toronto Blue Jays

73. Isan Diaz, SS, Milwaukee Brewers

74. Max Fried, LHP, Atlanta Braves

75. Matt Chapman, 3B, Oakland Athletics

76. Jesse Winker, OF, Cincinnati Reds

77. Willie Calhoun, 2B, Los Angeles Dodgers

78. Jahmai Jones, OF, Los Angeles Angels

79. Carson Fulmer, RHP, Chicago White Sox

80. Tyler Beede, RHP, San Francisco Giants

81. Anthony Alford, OF, Toronto Blue Jays

82. Brady Aiken, LHP, Cleveland Indians

83. Zack Collins, 1B/C, Chicago White Sox

84. Sean Newcomb, LHP, Atlanta Braves

85. Grant Holmes, RHP, Oakland Athletics

86. Leody Taveras, OF, Texas Rangers

87. Thomas Szapucki, LHP, New York Mets

88. Christin Stewart, OF, Detroit Tigers

89. Erick Fedde, RHP, Washington Nationals

90. Adrian Morejon, LHP, San Diego Padres

91. Chance Sisco, C, Baltimore Orioles

92. Ian Anderson, RHP, Atlanta Braves

93. Tyler O’Neill, OF, Seattle Mariners

94. Dylan Cease, RHP, Chicago Cubs

95. Christian Arroyo, SS/3B, San Francisco Giants

96. Stephen Gonsalves, LHP, Minnesota Twins

97. Robert Stephenson, RHP, Cincinnati Reds

98. Alec Hansen, RHP, Chicago White Sox

99. Luis Urias, 2B, San Diego Padres

100. Chance Adams, RHP, New York Yankees

[Laika]

Is Urena on anybody's top 100 list? He seems like a fringe candidate.

If so, that would make six Jays prospects with mentions.

[Nafro]

Is Urena on anybody's top 100 list? He seems like a fringe candidate.

If so, that would make six Jays prospects with mentions.

 

I believe he was in around the 95 mark of MLB pipeline rankings. Callis or Manuel mentioned in their BA chat, that there could be as many as 6 in Top 100's.

[King]

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/2/13/14598358/top-200-mlb-prospects-for-2017-minor-league-ball

 

Sickels top 200

 

Vlad 41

SRF 49

Urena 66

Gurriel 105

Alford 106

Tellez 138

Harris 169

[Brownie19]

Wow - that's the highest anyone's been on Urena....lowest on Alford.

 

I think I'm as excited to follow the Jays prospects as I am the big club. C'mon spring...need some beisbol!