Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[THANOS]

Yea but a lot of top prospects still get a stint in Triple-A. Obviously Tellez is not coming this year. But if Buffalo is in a playoff conversation you gotta think about moving him up. Would be a great experience. And he deserves it quite frankly.

 

They should, and hopefully they do just that.

[John_Havok]

Rowdy only turned 21 this season. Plus, I don't think the move from AA to AAA means what it used to. AAA is mainly for AAAA players. The best pure talent seems to be at AA.

 

Thats true but hitting at AAA is a better representation of pitching in the majors than AA is.

 

The best prospects are generally at AA, but the level of skill is still higher at AAA.

[Krylian]

Thats true but hitting at AAA is a better representation of pitching in the majors than AA is.

 

The best prospects are generally at AA, but the level of skill is still higher at AAA.

 

I don't disagree. I guess I'm just used to what they did under AA over the past bunch of years. The top prospects stayed at AA. When they'd get called up from AA, it would almost assuredly be to Toronto. When they'd eventually fail and need to go down for seasoning, it would be to AAA...not back to AA.

 

Maybe they will give Tellez some time in AAA to play with the crafty, grizzled veterans a bit and see where he stacks up.

[John_Havok]

I don't disagree. I guess I'm just used to what they did under AA over the past bunch of years. The top prospects stayed at AA. When they'd get called up from AA, it would almost assuredly be to Toronto. When they'd eventually fail and need to go down for seasoning, it would be to AAA...not back to AA.

 

Maybe they will give Tellez some time in AAA to play with the crafty, grizzled veterans a bit and see where he stacks up.

 

It's hard to say. Alot if the tops guys as you said do jump straight from AA to the majors these days for whatever reason. I think a big reason for that is that most guys spend so much time in the minors that their 4 or 5 years of minor league time is up and they need to be on the 40 man roster, so may as well use them and see if they can stick without seeing AAA unless as you say they need more reps and the club starts burning option years.

[fireballW]

I don't disagree. I guess I'm just used to what they did under AA over the past bunch of years. The top prospects stayed at AA. When they'd get called up from AA, it would almost assuredly be to Toronto. When they'd eventually fail and need to go down for seasoning, it would be to AAA...not back to AA.

 

Maybe they will give Tellez some time in AAA to play with the crafty, grizzled veterans a bit and see where he stacks up.

 

That happened under AA when our AAA team was in Vegas, mostly for pitchers. Now that we have our AAA team in Buffalo it changes a lot.

[Angrioter]

Jon Harris

6 scoreless, walk, 3 K's, GB 11-0 FO

[King]

Jon Harris

6 scoreless, walk, 3 K's, GB 11-0 FO

 

I wonder if they are leaving him down to save his trade value if he got torched at the higher levels. I could see a promotion coming after the trade deadline.

 

He needs to be moved up eventually, though, he's pretty old to spend a full season in Lansing.

[SpeedyGose]

Couple of tweets regarding Pentecost...

Adam McInturff

.@BProToronto Max Pentecost at DH today, but offensive tools evident. Very quiet, balanced swing w/ quick, efficient path.

 

@BProToronto Allows him to see pitches deep and track off-speed without tons of head movement. Ball jumps off bat pullside; 2B and HR today.

 

one on Harris:

 

@BProToronto FB 92-95 t96 today; hard upper-80s splitter to LHH; cutter/slider hybrid to RHH. CB for another look, 12-6 from tall slot 80-3.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Well if we can't make moves to the big club or will not be making nothing but minor moves at best it appears.

 

Let's reshape the minors and push out the old and promote the youth up!!!

 

Let's start the ball rolling... What you do with those outed I don't really care trade them Trade them, release them or move them down to help lower levels out like a player coach, if you can get a bag of balls for them even better!!!

 

So let's Start.... Buffalo INF, Adams

Casilla and Kotchman out.

 

Berti, Leblebijian and Tellez up.

 

One or two of Castillo Hurado or Shanchez out ... Lavarnway up.

 

Outfield one of Brown or Mesa out

Or Both??

 

Parmley and Smith jr up ???

 

Pitchers not sure yet as the starters are old but AA is well kinda a Baren waste land too!

 

only two from triple AA that should maybe be pushed up still are RP

Barnes and Browning

 

Who you moving up and out???

[nmrch]

How impressive are Tellez's numbers? Over the past 10 years here are the 21 year old(or younger) hitters who've put up a wRC+ of 130 or higher in the EL

 

2016 Rowdy Tellez 150

2016 Clint Frazier 138

2015 Gavin Cechinni 139

 

That's it. There were a couple right at the cutoff and there are a few impressive age 19 and 20 seasons from guys like Machado, Snider and Carlos Gomez. Even conservatively speaking Tellez is having one of the 10 best seasons in the Eastern League in the past 10 years, with a good case for the top 3. I don't see how that is not worthy of a top 100 selection even with all his flaws.

 

edit:Clint Frazier was ranked 21st btw, even with an extreme defence penalty Tellez should have been a top 100 guy.

[Angrioter]

[King]

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 13m13 minutes ago

15th-rder Josh Winckowski signs w/@BlueJays for $125k ($25k vs pool). Florida HS RHP, projectable 6-5/190. @MLBDraft

[John_Havok]

How impressive are Tellez's numbers? Over the past 10 years here are the 21 year old(or younger) hitters who've put up a wRC+ of 130 or higher in the EL

 

2016 Rowdy Tellez 150

2016 Clint Frazier 138

2015 Gavin Cechinni 139

 

That's it. There were a couple right at the cutoff and there are a few impressive age 19 and 20 seasons from guys like Machado, Snider and Carlos Gomez. Even conservatively speaking Tellez is having one of the 10 best seasons in the Eastern League in the past 10 years, with a good case for the top 3. I don't see how that is not worthy of a top 100 selection even with all his flaws.

 

edit:Clint Frazier was ranked 21st btw, even with an extreme defence penalty Tellez should have been a top 100 guy.

 

Ozzie Albies has a 194 wrc+ in the AA southern league this year, and he's 19.

 

I know your qualifier was in the eastern league, but... what Albies is doing is phenomenal

[John_Havok]

How impressive are Tellez's numbers? Over the past 10 years here are the 21 year old(or younger) hitters who've put up a wRC+ of 130 or higher in the EL

 

2016 Rowdy Tellez 150

2016 Clint Frazier 138

2015 Gavin Cechinni 139

 

That's it. There were a couple right at the cutoff and there are a few impressive age 19 and 20 seasons from guys like Machado, Snider and Carlos Gomez. Even conservatively speaking Tellez is having one of the 10 best seasons in the Eastern League in the past 10 years, with a good case for the top 3. I don't see how that is not worthy of a top 100 selection even with all his flaws.

 

edit:Clint Frazier was ranked 21st btw, even with an extreme defence penalty Tellez should have been a top 100 guy.

 

Also, what was your PA or AB cutoff? Bogearts had 153 in 2013 as a 20 year old before being moved up to AAA after half of a season.

[nmrch]

Also, what was your PA or AB cutoff? Bogearts had 153 in 2013 as a 20 year old before being moved up to AAA after half of a season.

 

300 PA's, around half a season, seemed fair. But you make good point regardless. Like i acknowledged there are a few impressive seasons in the EL(Snider, Gomez and Machado) but even after including those guys Tellez's season is still impressive.

[Krylian]

Jim Callis ‏@jimcallisMLB 13m13 minutes ago

15th-rder Josh Winckowski signs w/@BlueJays for $125k ($25k vs pool). Florida HS RHP, projectable 6-5/190. @MLBDraft

 

With the 5% overage the Jays have another $71K or so to spend (above and beyond the $100K per pick they can already spend on all of their remaining draftees).

[nmrch]

Ozzie Albies has a 194 wrc+ in the AA southern league this year, and he's 19.

 

I know your qualifier was in the eastern league, but... what Albies is doing is phenomenal

 

went back and looked at the Souther League with the same cutoffs.

 

2016 Tyler O'Neil 160

2016 Jake Bauer 136

2016 Wily Adames 133

2015 Jesse Winker 137

2013 Joc Pederson 155

2012 Matt Davidson 134

2009 Logan Morrison 142

2008 Ivan DeJesus Jr 132

2008 Jordan Schafer 130

2007 Justin Upton(19 yo!!!) 158

2007 Evan Longoria 155

[Laika]

 

Bo knows

[King]

Not a jays prospect but lol

 

http://i.imgur.com/CmkI3Pm.png

 

9 walks in 3.2! 93 pitches and 39 strikes. How is this even possible

[John_Havok]

Wow, 93 pitches, 39 strikes.

 

Smoral-esque

[King]

Wow, 93 pitches, 39 strikes.

 

Smoral-esque

 

Smoral struckout the side in his inning of work tonight!

[THANOS]

Smoral struckout the side in his inning of work tonight!

 

Great for him. I wonder if any changes were made from his last appearance?

Edited July 12, 2016 by THANOS

[King]

Great for him. I wonder if any chances were made from his last appearance?

 

Well, if we look into it a little deeper:

 

The first batter he struckout was Luis Asuncion, who's hitting .235/.342/.309

The second batter he struckout was Chris Mattison, who's hitting .155/.242/.241

The third batter he struckout was Wes Magdaleno, who's hitting .279/.373/.326

 

Probably a case of him having his slider (or some pitch) working tonight, and over matching those s***** low level hitters.

[SpeedyGose]

BP had two Blue Jays in their Notes from the Field section today.

 

Carlos Ramirez, RHP, Toronto Blue Jays (High-A Dunedin)

An outfielder turned pitcher, Ramirez has a big arm and has taken well to the mound thus far. With a 6-foot-5, 205-pound body, Ramirez pitches from the stretch with a compact arm action, fair arm speed, and a three-quarters slot. His fastball comes in at 93-95 with some sink. His slider was his go-to secondary with good depth and moderate tilt at 85-87. He is still raw but has an intriguing arm and hasn't pitched for that long.

 

Angel Perdomo, LHP, Toronto Blue Jays (Low-A Lansing)

Perdomo's physique is immediately striking. At 6-foot-6 with long levers, gradual gait, a high waist, and large hands, Perdomo resembles a small forward more than a starting pitcher. The arm action—from a high-three-quarters slot—is long, with mild crossfire and balance concerns, but the lefty manages to corral his impossibly large frame. That ability takes some athleticism, and so does the ability to make a heavy 90-93 fastball seam easy. Perdomo can cut the pitch, as there's some natural life, but its heaviness stands out. His velocity, however, did not hold up into the start, tailing down to a still solid and effective 89-91 in the fifth inning. Perdomo's main secondary in this viewing was his slider, which has varying shapes and velocity. The slider was at its most effective in the low 80s, as he has the ability to spin it with more tilt at this level. At 86 mph, the pitch retained its horizontal movement, though with less tilt, acting more like a cutter with above average horizontal movement. Perdomo complements the FB/SL combo with a changeup, which was firm at 85mph. He seldom used the change in this outing. I think there is some projection with the pitch given the hand/finger size, but the pitch was a non-factor versus South Bend. The FB/SL was good enough for Perdomo in this outing.

 

While the two-pitch combo—combined with balance issues Perdomo will continue to face given his extreme length—does not bode well for his profile as a starter, he did display some starter characteristics: impressive composure in jams, calmly pointing to the sky after each half inning (a routine), and a generally relaxed demeanor on the mound. He was by no means passive, often attacking with the fastball. The ceiling is that of a back-end starter, but there might be too many mechanical issues to iron out, and lack of a third pitch for Perdomo to fully realize that role. Out of the bullpen, I'd expect the FB to gain velo given the ease with which he currently operates. Should he develop as a pen arm, I'd put a 6/6 on the FB/SL combo from the left side. He'll need to further harness the aforementioned better version of the slider and gain consistency with it. Perdomo will be around for a long time, whether in the majors or the minors

[Krylian]

Obeso and Bichette need to be challenged. Obeso is getting older and I'd like to see him in Couver

[King]

Obeso and Bichette need to be challenged. Obeso is getting older and I'd like to see him in Couver

 

They should send Bichette up to Bluefield. If he hit well there that would set him up to start next season in Lansing. Same with Obeso to Vancouver.

[Sorrow]

They should send Bichette up to Bluefield. If he hit well there that would set him up to start next season in Lansing. Same with Obeso to Vancouver.

 

If Bichette makes it to Lansing to open next season that's huge, he'd be 18 to start the season or just turning 19.

[Krylian]

If Bichette makes it to Lansing to open next season that's huge, he'd be 18 to start the season or just turning 19.

 

Ya. That would be very young. His spring training will likely dictate how ready they really think he is

[King]

http://i.giphy.com/3o6Zt5FJygJVT5xneo.gif

 

The usual Cavan Biggio plate appearance

[Captain Adama]

http://i.giphy.com/3o6Zt5FJygJVT5xneo.gif

 

The usual Cavan Biggio plate appearance

 

I wonder if we can get his Z-swing and O-swing rates.