Tigers dismiss Dave Dombrowski and promote Al Aliva to Exec VP of Baseball Operations

[AdamLindsMom]

I don't get what the hoopla is for this guy. He's perennially been given a top 5 payroll. Sure the Tigers were good in what has probably been the worst division in baseball the last 10 years. He's left the team in shambles with terrible contracts, terrible farm system and an at best average team on the field. Any GM can throw money at problems if given the opportunity.

[baubau]

I don't get what the hoopla is for this guy. He's perennially been given a top 5 payroll. Sure the Tigers were good in what has probably been the worst division in baseball the last 10 years. He's left the team in shambles with terrible contracts, terrible farm system and an at best average team on the field. Any GM can throw money at problems if given the opportunity.

 

http://grantland.com/features/dave-dombrowski-detroit-tigers/

 

A article posted previously by TL. A good outline of what he's done. He has absolutely robbed some people with getting Scherzer, Peralta, Sanchez and Cabrera. You can say he's left the Tigers a little crippled with the terrible contracts but with that being said he's also left the Tigers a lot more respectable then when he got there. I can't blame him on the Verlander contract. I honestly think if it was any other team, they would have done the same. Well at least 70-80% of the teams out there. Rays, A's and Jays probably would've traded Verlander.

[fireballW]

He seems decent at putting together a major league roster and AA is great at filling the minors with talent so it could be a good mix. I am just glad AA finally got out from the hot seat ad I think he is one of the bright minds of baseball.

[0ctobyte]

aren't Dombrowski and AA really just the same person. I mean if I had to compare AA to anyone it would be Dombrowski right after Mike Rizzo

 

Except Dombrowski can't build a farm for the life of him

[baubau]

Except Dombrowski can't build a farm for the life of him

 

And also, to be fair, AA can build a pen. He had a top of the league pen a few years ago and has done a solid job overall this season.

[KingKat]

AA seems to handle contract negotiations well. I'd say that's more his strength than farm building which is really more Andrew Tinnish's domain.

[GD]

How does Dombrowski fill out his 40 man roster?

 

If he does it well, that'd be an amazing duo. Imagine AA with the ability to build depth?

[Atothe]

Bob Elliott reporting that the Jays have reached out to Dombrowski.

 

a lot of teams have reached out to him

[Atothe]

Dombrowski is actually pretty similar to AA. Makes a lot of high-profile trades, prefers stars and scrubs roster, aggressive in draft, etc. He's not a depth builder... have you not been paying attention to baseball for the past five years?

 

Billy Beane is definitely the guy

[G-Snarls]

How does Dombrowski fill out his 40 man roster?

 

If he does it well, that'd be an amazing duo. Imagine AA with the ability to build depth?

 

Or just someone standing over his shoulder telling him he needs to add depth

[GD]

Dombrowski is actually pretty similar to AA. Makes a lot of high-profile trades, prefers stars and scrubs roster, aggressive in draft, etc. He's not a depth builder... have you not been paying attention to baseball for the past five years?

 

Did I ask you? Nerd

[KingKat]

Did I ask you? Nerd

 

Kind of dickish of him to ask you what you were doing when you were only nine years old.

[GD]

Kind of dickish of him to ask you what you were doing whe you were only nine years old.

 

I barely remember what I ate for breakfast much less what baseball was like while I was in grade 4. smh

[GD]

You have a lot to learn.

 

Your dumn.

[Spanky99]

Dombrowski is actually pretty similar to AA. Makes a lot of high-profile trades, prefers stars and scrubs roster, aggressive in draft, etc. He's not a depth builder... have you not been paying attention to baseball for the past five years?

 

Thing is they want him as a President, not a GM.

[TheHurl]

Thing is they want him as a President, not a GM.

 

Don't know how true it is but Dombrowski is said to want $8M a year and be in charge. Those two things don't fit in Toronto. I'm still not a fan of AA, but in no way should the Jays be bringing in anyone that will undermine his decisions at this point.

[Spanky99]

Don't know how true it is but Dombrowski is said to want $8M a year and be in charge. Those two things don't fit in Toronto. I'm still not a fan of AA, but in no way should the Jays be bringing in anyone that will undermine his decisions at this point.

 

No doubt, he can eat a dick if he's demanding that. Can you see AA moving up to President, with Tinnish moving up as a VP/GM, they'd just obviously work together. As per usual, I think AA would be a good President.

 

Also, I'd think Dan Duquette would get axed in Baltimore if they don't make the post season. He's probably going to be in play.

[LTR]

Lol all directions of Spanky's thought processes go towards eating dicks (strange???).

[Spanky99]

Lol all directions of Spanky's thought processes go towards eating dicks (strange???).

 

Eat a dick!

[reedjohnsonfan]

Don't know how true it is but Dombrowski is said to want $8M a year and be in charge. Those two things don't fit in Toronto. I'm still not a fan of AA, but in no way should the Jays be bringing in anyone that will undermine his decisions at this point.

 

That is a really good point but Dombrowski has been around a really long time and they might consider giving him some bucks to come here. I'd probably rather Kenny Williams for a lot cheaper or if Cherington gets canned maybe they could look at him for assistant GM or something. AA should probably be GM for a little while still but all those guys upgrade the front office.

[Captain Adama]

That is a really good point but Dombrowski has been around a really long time and they might consider giving him some bucks to come here. I'd probably rather Kenny Williams for a lot cheaper or if Cherington gets canned maybe they could look at him for assistant GM or something. AA should probably be GM for a little while still but all those guys upgrade the front office.

 

Why on earth would you want Williams or Cherington?

[baubau]

Why on earth would you want Williams or Cherington?

 

Cause Williams was the dude who had the balls to sign Melky when AA didn't. He knows what the fans wont!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ again sarcasm. You're the only poster I feel that this needs to be pointed to lol.

[Swervin81]

Lol f*** Kenny Williams. I want no part of the guy who has crooked us into taking damaged goods twice. Second time didn't burn us since Molina busted in Chicago's farm, but still.

 

Cherington is dreadful. He pretty much fluked his way into a WS by complete accident and it's clear that was a massive outlier since the other 3 of the 4 years (2012-2015) he's been GM, the Red Sox have been complete s*** with pretty much the same nucleus of players.

[gbill2004]

Eat a dick!

I get the impression you enjoy eating dick's yourself.

[Followthelight]

Lol all directions of Spanky's thought processes go towards eating dicks (strange???).

 

Nothing strange about he he clearly likes dicks.

[Atothe]

LTR, gbill and MJ can eat a dick with a side of fries

[reedjohnsonfan]

Lol f*** Kenny Williams. I want no part of the guy who has crooked us into taking damaged goods twice. Second time didn't burn us since Molina busted in Chicago's farm, but still.

 

Cherington is dreadful. He pretty much fluked his way into a WS by complete accident and it's clear that was a massive outlier since the other 3 of the 4 years (2012-2015) he's been GM, the Red Sox have been complete s*** with pretty much the same nucleus of players.

 

Short sighted post. Williams has been with the Sox for a long time and hasn't been shy to make aggressive and creative moves. Cherington has made some good moves too- the Dodgers trade, not signing Ellsbury, trading 2 months of Andrew Miller for Eduardo Rodriguez (huge return considering Norris + spare parts got Price this year). Obviously debating who made better transactions won't get us very far, but both guys would be useful in the Jays organization in some capacity. I never said hire them as the next GM

[GD]

Short sighted post. Williams has been with the Sox for a long time and hasn't been shy to make aggressive and creative moves. Cherington has made some good moves too- the Dodgers trade, not signing Ellsbury, trading 2 months of Andrew Miller for Eduardo Rodriguez (huge return considering Norris + spare parts got Price this year). Obviously debating who made better transactions won't get us very far, but both guys would be useful in the Jays organization in some capacity. I never said hire them as the next GM

 

what does this count for if they're awful moves?

 

+ EdRod wasn't a top prospect when he was acquired. And he gave away Reddick for Andrew Bailey and gave up on Mark Melancon after like 10 innings.

[KingKat]

what does this count for if they're awful moves?

 

+ EdRod wasn't a top prospect when he was acquired. And he gave away Reddick for Andrew Bailey and gave up on Mark Melancon after like 10 innings.

 

You could quibble about his record as GM but I don't think that's necessarily a detterent to being a good president. You mostly just want a guy whose been in baseball and has some soft skills he can employ in the boardroom. Kenny might very well be that guy. I think the real argument against him is that he's not leaving the White Sox and the Blue Jays souldn't trip all over themselves trying to pry executives from other teams. That was just embarassing last time around.

[reedjohnsonfan]

what does this count for if they're awful moves?

 

+ EdRod wasn't a top prospect when he was acquired. And he gave away Reddick for Andrew Bailey and gave up on Mark Melancon after like 10 innings.

 

It shows that he's always thinking outside of the box and would be a useful baseball mind to have, and second what kingkat said about being a good president. AA would still be basically making the final decisions.

 

Rodriguez was still a very good prospect with his stock rising during the season while Norris' was arguably falling. It was a very good move for the Red Sox, but like I said there's no point in just cherrypicking transactions to make a point. I think a guy who's been GM in one of baseball's biggest markets (probably has one of the best scouting departments, analytic groups) has a ton of knowledge he could bring to another ball club, whether that's as assistant General Manager or something else he'd be a useful piece.