Tulo and Hawkins to the Jays for Reyes, Castro, Hoffman and Tinoco

[TheHurl]

Reyes with the Marlins wasn't the peak Reyes with the Mets. His hamstring injuries already turned him into a mediocre defender and his best offensive days were behind him. Im not one of those guys that shits on Reyes all time, i don't even mind but he wasn't the equivalent of Tulo now. If you look at that trade we didn't give up prospects for him, the surplus value was for Johnson, how the f*** is any of this similar to that trade?

 

Reyes projection the year after the trade...4.4 WAR Tulo Projection the rest of the this season 1.7 WAR...over 500 PA's 3.8. they are almost exactly in the same place.

[SAAviour]

what if we get Tulo, Hamels, Papelbon... AA goes all in

 

The way AA rolls, King Felix is starting for us tomorrow.

[Daniel Labude]

i wonder if its well-known prospect, shouldnt it be leaked by now

 

Maybe the third team in the deal is for some prospects that we send to the rockies

[BTS]

I think you're overestimating what he was, his final year with the Mets was good but mostly BABIP driven. His 2010 season was mediocre and he was injured for almost all of 2009. We'll have to agree to disagree if you think Reyes at the time of the trade was as valuable as Tulo is now.

 

I think their situations, all things considered, are very similar. IIRC projections had Reyes at around 4 wins his first year here. They'll probably have Tulo at like 4.5 next year. Everything else is almost identical though. Tulo is just older and has a longer injury history.

[o2cui2i]

interesting to wake up to this.

 

I don't think the Jays would flip Tulo. They don't have a SS in their system that is good enough to play now.

 

who are we trading to get a starter?

[RealAccountant]

I think Jays can probably limit the damage to Tolu by having him DH 50-60 games. His bat plays there too, not like Reyes.

[aselvana]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 15s15 seconds ago

Will be interesting to hear Tulo’s reaction. As others have mentioned, he might not be enthusiastic about playing on turf in Toronto.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 32s32 seconds ago

Sources: #Rockies owner Dick Monfort had told Tulo that he would not be traded A) w/o being consulted and to place he didn’t want to go.

[BTS]

Old-school BTS/Hurl tag team up in this biatch

[Dylan]

Hawkins sure gets around... twins, cubs, giants, orioles, yankees, astros, brewers, angels, mets, rockies and now jays.

[jaysblue]

Reyes projection the year after the trade...4.4 WAR Tulo Projection the rest of the this season 1.7 WAR...over 500 PA's 3.8. they are almost exactly in the same place.

 

Projections were wrong.

[BTS]

Hawkins sure gets around... twins, cubs, giants, orioles, yankees, astros, brewers, angels, mets, rockies and now jays.

 

Love that guy. He's like 43 and still getting people out. Such a boss.

[Abomination]

I think their situations, all things considered, are very similar. IIRC projections had Reyes at around 4 wins his first year here. They'll probably have Tulo at like 4.5 next year. Everything else is almost identical though.

 

The big difference for me is that Tulo's game is based more on power, and Reyes more on speed. I have to think the power is likely to age better. Even if Tulo has to be moved off SS he still has the bat to play OF or corner IF at an elite level.

[aselvana]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 23s24 seconds ago

Miguel Castro likely going to #Rockies in the Tulowitzki blockbuster, source says. #BlueJays

[Orgfiller]

Projections were wrong.

 

This is a very dumn post. I don't love BTS' wet blanketing of this thread, but his point is valid. Tulo could easily break down just as easily as Reyes.

[DuckDuckGose]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 15s15 seconds ago

Will be interesting to hear Tulo’s reaction. As others have mentioned, he might not be enthusiastic about playing on turf in Toronto.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 32s32 seconds ago

Sources: #Rockies owner Dick Monfort had told Tulo that he would not be traded A) w/o being consulted and to place he didn’t want to go.

 

Grass in 2016

[nonamejays]

Castro is going

[Dylan]

If Tulo will DH next year we better find a good backup SS

[Abomination]

Love that guy. He's like 43 and still getting people out. Such a boss.

 

Still throwing mid nineties too.

[jaysblue]

Love that guy. He's like 43 and still getting people out. Such a boss.

 

The right handed version of Darren Oliver.

[MunenoriKawasakiMVP]

apparently miguelito is gone

[McDude]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 23s24 seconds ago

Miguel Castro likely going to #Rockies in the Tulowitzki blockbuster, source says. #BlueJays

 

i can live with that... pls no pompey or hoffman

[bill]

castro to the rockies ouch

[Terminator]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 23s24 seconds ago

Miguel Castro likely going to #Rockies in the Tulowitzki blockbuster, source says. #BlueJays

 

The more we hear about this deal the more it sounds like a salary dump.

[Dr. Dinger]

C YA Castro. Who else? No way he can be the biggest prospect.

[nmrch]

Miguel Castro if f***ing useless, that would be awesome if he was the main piece

[havok24]

C YA Castro. Who else? No way he can be the biggest prospect.

 

Yeah like seriously.

[Swervin81]

I'm fine with Castro going.

[TheHurl]

Tulo misses 70 games in his age 32 season while his defense slides and he puts up 1 win for $20M... the hate will be real.

 

not by the casuals though. They will love his "grit" and "toughness" this s*** is real. No one ever shits on white players who were once great. Think Biggio, Rose, Brett, Chipper. Lesser and younger examples...Jim Edmonds, Johnny Damon, David Wright. No one ever says anything really negative about those guys.

[Orgfiller]

I thought the saber guys would hate Hawkins

 

Gets strikeouts, limits walks, gets groundballs, what's not to like?

[nonamejays]

He's a pitcher that can throw the ball without getting destroyed every inning he's on the mound.

 

That's a major improvement right there.