John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[glory]

They have three outfielders on the roster and one of them is a back-up (Carrera). Either call up a real OF or start Carrera. Using a DH in left field and costing the team runs on defense is not a smart plan. That's on AA and Gibbons.

[CHRIS]

How is the outfield problem on AA? Saunders was going to be the everyday LF and goes down to a freak injury. Pompey should be called up soon, but what exactly was he supposed to do in the meantime?

 

The concept of outfield depth is entirely on AA. Obviously it's tough to predict the Saunders injury, but handing the starting CF job to Pompey only to send him down after 20 games is very poor roster management. It could very well have been even worse had Pillar not emerged as much as he has.

 

I think everybody appreciates some of the big hits that Colabello has produced this season, but sending him (or Valencia or Goins) out to play LF is entirely a roster construction issue.

[SultanofPoon]

Gibby has been awful, you have to be a blind homer to defend his lineup construction and in game management.

[o2cui2i]

KEEP IT NICE OR IT WILL BE CLOSED.

 

 

I'll merge it with the old one.

[RealAccountant]

What's wrong with the other one?/

[CrackerJack]

Gibby has been awful, you have to be a blind homer to defend his lineup construction and in game management.

 

yes, consistently horrible lineup constructions which has resulted in the lowest runs total in baseball!

[Daniel Labude]

It's time to trade Edwin or Bautista for young pitching...this team is not put together well. Beat terrible pitchers and get schooled by ok to good pitchers

[RealAccountant]

It's time to trade Edwin or Bautista for young pitching...this team is not put together well. Beat terrible pitchers and get schooled by ok to good pitchers

 

Exactly. We talk about this elite offense how many times this year they have been completely shut down

 

They just pile on the runs against weaker pitchers

[metafour]

Exactly. We talk about this elite offense how many times this year they have been completely shut down

 

They just pile on the runs against weaker pitchers

 

We have beat lots of good pitchers this year. "Good/great" pitchers are typically going to beat most teams, otherwise they wouldn't be "good/great". You don't rock a ~2-3 ERA and pitch 6-7+ innings a start if you're getting beat around on a consistent basis.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

It's time to trade Edwin or Bautista for young pitching...this team is not put together well. Beat terrible pitchers and get schooled by ok to good pitchers

It's time to fire AA before he can do any more damage to the roster first.

[Daniel Labude]

It's time to fire AA before he can do any more damage to the roster first.

 

Id love that...but do u really think they will fire him before the deadline

[RealAccountant]

We can only hope AA is finished here. His era has brought upon nothing but hope and dispair

[glory]

It's time to fire AA before he can do any more damage to the roster first.

 

I agree. Fire Alex, let a new GM take one more crack with this core in 2016, and go from there. AA did a few good things this past winter (Donaldson and Martin specifically), it's just that his weakness of roster management and allocating money got in the way as usual. Give a better GM this core and some money to fit some better pieces around it, even for a year, and maybe things get better.

 

But yes, Gibbons is not the only stench coming from this organization. AA needs to go as well.

[CrackerJack]

re Alex:

 

so did Alex give Gibbons a sure-fire playoff team that Gibby is f***ing up?

or did Alex give Gibbons a below avg team that is over-performing under Gibby?

or did Alex give Gibbons a .500 team which is exactly where they are?

Edited July 9, 2015 by CrackerJack

[frizzer1]

Give a better GM this core and SOME MONEY to fit some better pieces around it, even for a year, and maybe things get better.

 

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But will they get "some money" ??....that is the question.

[o2cui2i]

re Alex:

 

so did Alex give Gibbons a sure-fire playoff team that Gibby is f***ing up?

or did Alex give Gibbons a below avg team that is over-performing under Gibby?

or did Alex give Gibbons a .500 team which is exactly where they are?

 

I think losing Stroman hurts the team a lot. s*** happens...

 

we were going to be thin with pitching before that happened, but Stroman going down exposed it in an ugly way.

[CrackerJack]

I think losing Stroman hurts the team a lot. s*** happens...

 

we were going to be thin with pitching before that happened, but Stroman going down exposed it in an ugly way.

 

yeah, big time.

 

especially with Hutch not taking a step forward.

[Frenchsoup]

Gibbons with his Bello fetish again... batting 5th and displacing Smoak from the lineup.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Gonna be real embarrassing when this garbage Red Sox team backs their way into a wildcard spot while our drought continues.

[RealAccountant]

Gonna be real embarrassing when this garbage Red Sox team backs their way into a wildcard spot while our drought continues.

 

Kind of like not making the playoffs in 2 decades, being the only MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL team to be that pathetic.

[glory]

Was this really surprising though? John Gibbons has managed the best Jays rosters in the past decade and gotten them no where. It's not all f***ing fluke and random s*** beyond the manager's control. At some point you look at the damn manager as an issue. Not the main issue, as talent/roster is still the most, but it's still an issue.

 

John Gibbons and Pete Walker remaining employed for three years now in a period when the team wants to compete says everything you need to know about this team.

[RealAccountant]

Lol at making the third out on the bases

 

If Gibbons called that he should be fired

 

If Gibbons didn't call that, and Pillar thinks its okay to steal anytime Gibbons should be fired.

 

Down 6-0 and making outs on the bases.

[RealAccountant]

People who blame Gibbons for this teams shortcomings are simple-minded fools.

 

mods.

[CrackerJack]

Was this really surprising though? John Gibbons has managed the best Jays rosters in the past decade and gotten them no where. It's not all f***ing fluke and random s*** beyond the manager's control. At some point you look at the damn manager as an issue. Not the main issue, as talent/roster is still the most, but it's still an issue.

 

John Gibbons and Pete Walker remaining employed for three years now in a period when the team wants to compete says everything you need to know about this team.

 

but in your previous post you're demanding that Alex be fired despite (as you say) putting together "the best Jays rosters in the past decade."

[glory]

but in your previous post you're demanding that Alex be fired despite (as you say) putting together "the best Jays rosters in the past decade."

 

I never said Alex put together the best Jays roster in the past decade. I said Gibbons has managed them. In other words, 2006-08. I'd rate 2013-15's rosters as being far better than 2009-12, though. Gaston and Farrell managed teams in 2010 and 2011 that were trying to lose and still finished .500 or better. Gibbons can barely do that now with $50m more in payroll added to the roster.

 

The 2008 team had the best pitching in baseball and were below .500 with Gibbons.

 

The 2015 team has the best hitting in baseball and are currently below .500 with Gibbons.

 

But those are just coincidences, of course. Nothing to do with managing.

[BTS]

I never said Alex put together the best Jays roster in the past decade. I said Gibbons has managed them. In other words, 2006-08. I'd rate 2013-15's rosters as being far better than 2009-12, though. Gaston and Farrell managed teams in 2010 and 2011 that were trying to lose and still finished .500 or better. Gibbons can barely do that now with $50m more in payroll added to the roster.

 

The 2008 team had the best pitching in baseball and were below .500 with Gibbons.

 

The 2015 team has the best hitting in baseball and are currently below .500 with Gibbons.

 

But those are just coincidences, of course. Nothing to do with managing.

 

The 2015 team has two valid major league starters and has had to give like 700 PA to replacement-level hacks because they don't have any depth. They were projected at around 0.500. They'll probably finish at around 0.500.

[CrackerJack]

I never said Alex put together the best Jays roster in the past decade. I said Gibbons has managed them. In other words, 2006-08.

 

so then AA's 2013-15 rosters aren't/weren't playoff material ... ok ... so how can the manager be blamed for not making them (the playoffs?)

[o2cui2i]

The 2015 team has two valid major league starters and has had to give like 700 PA to replacement-level hacks because they don't have any depth. They were projected at around 0.500. They'll probably finish at around 0.500.

 

some of the players believe the team is better than they are and some games it looks like they can't believe "this is happening to them"

[glory]

The 2015 team has two valid major league starters and has had to give like 700 PA to replacement-level hacks because they don't have any depth. They were projected at around 0.500. They'll probably finish at around 0.500.

 

Sure, and that's why AA needs to go, but a manager that knows who his best players are, and knows how to construct a lineup that actually makes sense defensively would help save some runs over the course of a season, and possibly add wins over 162 games. Liam Hendriks is the team's mop up guy, and he's probably been the best reliever on the team after Osuna. Colabello has a 142 wRC+ and .428 BABIP over 216 plate appearances and has a whopping 0.2 WAR because Gibbons plays him in left field where his defense is so bad that it nearly negates the unsustainable offense he has provided. Then there's the bullpen usage, Navarro love, and other moronic things he does on the regular.

 

This team is poorly put together, no denying that, but it's poorly managed as well. It has more than enough talent to win a division like this even with the roster's warts.

[CrackerJack]

This team is poorly put together, no denying that, but it's poorly managed as well. It has more than enough talent to win a division like this even with the roster's warts.

 

very few teams are perfectly constructed ... so make up your mind, bro, whether Alex has put together a division winning type of team or not ... and if he has then fire him?