GDT: June 29 - Boston Red Sox (34-43) @ Toronto Blue Jays (41-36) 7:07 EST

[reedjohnsonfan]

It's such a gong show listening to Wilner. These callers just have to be trolling. Can't be this dumb.

 

They are mostly being trolls but Wilner just dismisses them. Boring show.

[Deadpool]

Can't say I have. Guess I better stay away.

 

The caller who wanted Pillar to bat 4th was the best.

 

Yeah... The best bet is to stay away from the comments on any sports related article anywhere on the internet. Once in a while I forget that rule, and then I feel like I should punch myself in the face to make sure I'm not actually living in crazytown.

[Governator]

Yeah... The best bet is to stay away from the comments on any sports related article anywhere on the internet. Once in a while I forget that rule, and then I feel like I should punch myself in the face to make sure I'm not actually living in crazytown.

 

If you follow the Jays or TSN on Facebook don't ever click the comments button on a post... Like ever. It makes article comments look like expert analysis.

[RealAccountant]

real help, not a band-aid on the titanic move

 

I hope so, but to be honest I am not confident that is going to happen.

 

However AA said something intelligent while on baseball central today. He admitted that he had earlier in his career made errors in judgement always looking for underpriced talent (Rasmus for example). He has learned that it is better to get a good player at a fair price, rather than get the potentiol of a wonderful player at a good price. His focus has changed to understanding more than just the talent in a player.

 

I think this is the first time I have heard some form of higher level conceptualization from him.

[LTR]

Where is the god damn offense lately? I knew Fruitholz was going to come in and shut us down.

[baloojayz]

I hope so, but to be honest I am not confident that is going to happen.

 

However AA said something intelligent while on baseball central today. He admitted that he had earlier in his career made errors in judgement always looking for underpriced talent (Rasmus for example). He has learned that it is better to get a good player at a fair price, rather than get the potentiol of a wonderful player at a good price. His focus has changed to understanding more than just the talent in a player.

 

I think this is the first time I have heard some form of higher level conceptualization from him.

 

Spot on with what I have noticed as well in terms of his thinking about potential and it shows in the Lawrie--->Donaldson trade. Hopefully he hasn't jumped to sell the farm for proven mediocrity though.

[Anti and uncle pit bull]

Soft Media

Davidi writes silly piece that doesn't mention Joey Bat's 0 for 21 or Martin's trouble and Mike Rut. In the Sun writes a piece about how Loup loves pressure. It wasn't a joke and he did not mention how Loup created the pressure for himself by putting three on?!! What a joke. And why aren't the reporters asking if Smoak is alive?!

[Deadpool]

I hope so, but to be honest I am not confident that is going to happen.

 

However AA said something intelligent while on baseball central today. He admitted that he had earlier in his career made errors in judgement always looking for underpriced talent (Rasmus for example). He has learned that it is better to get a good player at a fair price, rather than get the potentiol of a wonderful player at a good price. His focus has changed to understanding more than just the talent in a player.

 

I think this is the first time I have heard some form of higher level conceptualization from him.

 

Rasmus provided 6.7 WAR in his 3 seasons with the Jays. Not really an example of a guy that shouldn't have been traded for (considering we gave up Rzepczynski, Stewart and Patterson as the major pieces of that trade). Also, I spelled Rzepczynski from f***ing memory without googling it (until I googled it to make sure I had, in fact, spelled it correctly...)

 

Rasmus is not an example of AA making a bad move, he got a decent piece for literally nothing that anyone around here remembers.

[baloojayz]

Where is the god damn offense lately? I knew Fruitholz was going to come in and shut us down.

 

Most of the guys' plate approaches seem to revolve around expecting a "mistake" pitch down the middle or they sit on a certain pitch/location and from that frame are ahead of the pitchers that do eventually give in.

 

When this doesn't happen and you have guys like Archer who are comfortable throwing secondary stuff on the corners, that approach gets destroyed.

 

You look at a team like Baltimore that wins a lot of 1 run games and you see that they change their approach when they are up against tough pitching. They try more to fight off pitches for singles than drive it out of the park (esp that POS Machado). In general that part of our hitting game is non-existent. We don't manufacture a ton of runs and play for the big inning every inning including the 9th.

[LTR]

Most of the guys' plate approaches seem to revolve around expecting a "mistake" pitch down the middle or they sit on a certain pitch/location and from that frame are ahead of the pitchers that do eventually give in.

 

When this doesn't happen and you have guys like Archer who are comfortable throwing secondary stuff on the corners, that approach gets destroyed.

 

You look at a team like Baltimore that wins a lot of 1 run games and you see that they change their approach when they are up against tough pitching. They try more to fight off pitches for singles than drive it out of the park (esp that POS Machado). In general that part of our hitting game is non-existent. We don't manufacture a ton of runs and play for the big inning every inning including the 9th.

 

O's aren't that good in 1-run games, just in 2012. Otherwise exactly even last 3 years.

 

2015: 11-11

2014: 32-23

2013: 20-31

2012: 29-9 <--- wut

[baloojayz]

Rasmus provided 6.7 WAR in his 3 seasons with the Jays. Not really an example of a guy that shouldn't have been traded for (considering we gave up Rzepczynski, Stewart and Patterson as the major pieces of that trade). Also, I spelled Rzepczynski from f***ing memory without googling it (until I googled it to make sure I had, in fact, spelled it correctly...)

 

Rasmus is not an example of AA making a bad move, he got a decent piece for literally nothing that anyone around here remembers.

 

I think what he (AA) was trying to say is that he looked at players when analyzing them more from a potential standpoint and what they could do when everything was going right, regardless if they were trade targets or already on the team. He probably regrets not trading Rasmus when he had the chance, waiting instead for him to fill out like many were on Lawrie.

[baloojayz]

O's aren't that good in 1-run games, just in 2012. Otherwise exactly even last 3 years.

 

2015: 11-11

2014: 32-23

2013: 20-31

2012: 29-9 <--- wut

 

As you would expect...Let's compare that with the Jays shall we?

[Anti and uncle pit bull]

Most of the guys' plate approaches seem to revolve around expecting a "mistake" pitch down the middle or they sit on a certain pitch/location and from that frame are ahead of the pitchers that do eventually give in.

 

When this doesn't happen and you have guys like Archer who are comfortable throwing secondary stuff on the corners, that approach gets destroyed.

 

You look at a team like Baltimore that wins a lot of 1 run games and you see that they change their approach when they are up against tough pitching. They try more to fight off pitches for singles than drive it out of the park (esp that POS Machado). In general that part of our hitting game is non-existent. We don't manufacture a ton of runs and play for the big inning every inning including the 9th.

 

Look at the OBP of Reyes and his flailing. When did Joey 0for 21 actually go for right field? Is there a subtle rivalry brewing given all the ASG hype? Disturbing

[Orgfiller]

Most of the guys' plate approaches seem to revolve around expecting a "mistake" pitch down the middle or they sit on a certain pitch/location and from that frame are ahead of the pitchers that do eventually give in.

 

When this doesn't happen and you have guys like Archer who are comfortable throwing secondary stuff on the corners, that approach gets destroyed.

 

You look at a team like Baltimore that wins a lot of 1 run games and you see that they change their approach when they are up against tough pitching. They try more to fight off pitches for singles than drive it out of the park (esp that POS Machado). In general that part of our hitting game is non-existent. We don't manufacture a ton of runs and play for the big inning every inning including the 9th.

 

Here are the offensive stats in which the Jays are better than the Orioles at (not including today, I think):

 

HR, R, RBI, SB, BB%, K%, ISO, AVG, OBP, SLG, wOBA, wRC+, BsR (by a lot), Off

 

Um yeah, I think I like our approach better.

[LTR]

As you would expect...Let's compare that with the Jays shall we?

 

No. You said Baltimore "wins a lot of 1 run games ", which I just showed you is false. Do you want to retract your statement or do you want to carry on acting like a cars salesman?

[baloojayz]

Here are the offensive stats in which the Jays are better than the Orioles at (not including today, I think):

 

HR, R, RBI, SB, BB%, K%, ISO, AVG, OBP, SLG, wOBA, wRC+, BsR (by a lot), Off

 

Um yeah, I think I like our approach better.

 

We also have the most blow out games and 10+ runs scored games of any team in the MLB. Those stats are misleading. Even Zaun said it, we tend to score a lot of runs in games we are already winning. The game we were down 7 to Baltimore was one of the few games where we actually scored runs when we needed them but then still proceeded to lose the game.

[baloojayz]

No. You said Baltimore "wins a lot of 1 run games ", which I just showed you is false. Do you want to retract your statement or do you want to carry on acting like a cars salesman?

 

"a lot" is relative of course.

I assure you I would be the worst car salesman in history.

[Deadpool]

We also have the most blow out games and 10+ runs scored games of any team in the MLB. Those stats are misleading. Even Zaun said it, we tend to score a lot of runs in games we are already winning. The game we were down 7 to Baltimore was one of the few games where we actually scored runs when we needed them but then still proceeded to lose the game.

 

I'm not going to be the one doing it, but there are going to be some very funny comments quoting this...

[Orgfiller]

We also have the most blow out games and 10+ runs scored games of any team in the MLB. Those stats are misleading. Even Zaun said it, we tend to score a lot of runs in games we are already winning. The game we were down 7 to Baltimore was one of the few games where we actually scored runs when we needed them but then still proceeded to lose the game.

 

I fail to see the validity in that statement. If they score a lot of runs when they're ahead, wouldn't that be a statement to how potent the offense is? Their overall approach shows a better walk rate, a better strikeout rate, better power numbers, and much better baserunning as a team, which means that the team is simply better at all aspects of offense than the Orioles.

[Deadpool]

Also, was just playing around with the standings on ESPN, and the ALE is the only division in which the team with the best run differential is not the team winning the division.

[baloojayz]

I'm not going to be the one doing it, but there are going to be some very funny comments quoting this...

 

Only said it cuz he is usually one of the last guy's to catch on to stuff, not b/c what he says must be true.

[Deadpool]

Only said it cuz he is usually one of the last guy's to catch on to stuff, not b/c what he says must be true.

 

Zaun is usually looking in the complete wrong direction with his analysis. It's not that he's slow on the uptake, it's that he's several counties away from the correct uptake.

[baloojayz]

Also, was just playing around with the standings on ESPN, and the ALE is the only division in which the team with the best run differential is not the team winning the division.

 

Yeah cuz we are that team.

 

I fail to see the validity in that statement. If they score a lot of runs when they're ahead, wouldn't that be a statement to how potent the offense is? Their overall approach shows a better walk rate, a better strikeout rate, better power numbers, and much better baserunning as a team, which means that the team is simply better at all aspects of offense than the Orioles.

 

By scoring a lot of runs when we are already winning, those runs just serve to inflate our stats. It is true that we have a potent offense, but given our run differential we should be in 1st place.

[baloojayz]

Zaun is usually looking in the complete wrong direction with his analysis. It's not that he's slow on the uptake, it's that he's several counties away from the correct uptake.

 

Deadpool is Right counter: 14

[Deadpool]

Yeah cuz we are that team.

 

... Okay? So... Victory for margins of error with pythag I guess?

 

By scoring a lot of runs when we are already winning, those runs just serve to inflate our stats. It is true that we have a potent offense, but given our run differential we should be in 1st place.

 

I really don't get how you can think that them scoring lots of runs AT THE WRONG TIME is somehow indicative of them being a bad team.

[baloojayz]

... Okay? So... Victory for margins of error with pythag I guess?

 

 

 

I really don't get how you can think that them scoring lots of runs AT THE WRONG TIME is somehow indicative of them being a bad team.

 

Wow you hate Baltimore that much? haha never said we have a bad team.

[Atothe]

ITT I learned balooz is a cardinal fan. Save those extra runs for when you can't score Edited June 30, 2015 by Atothe

[Angrioter]

Wow you hate Baltimore that much? haha never said we have a bad team.

 

We don't know how to play with the score ALA Jack Morris?

[intentional wok]

So can someone tell me a correct distribution of runs? If you have a three-run lead, should a team stop piling on and save those runs for a one-run lead or a small deficit? Also, how many realize that there are 29 other teams employing world class baseball talent who are doing their best to prevent runs, and that the Blue Jays play these teams 162 times a year?

[vdubmvp]

So can someone tell me a correct distribution of runs? If you have a three-run lead, should a team stop piling on and save those runs for a one-run lead or a small deficit? Also, how many realize that there are 29 other teams employing world class baseball talent who are doing their best to prevent runs, and that the Blue Jays play these teams 162 times a year?

 

It's astounding how many people actually seem to believe that you can just put aside a bunch of runs for another day.