3/3 - Jays vs. O's | 1:07 PM | Get Er Done | June 21

[Daniel Labude]

What do you mean we weren't supposed to.win. we were tied going into the ninth

 

He's dumb...doesn't know much about baseball

[glory]

I wish the Jays got Duquette in December (after all the big moves were made). AA did a good job adding talent but Duquette would have rounded out the roster better and fired Hickons before it was too late.

[gruber92]

Goins / Travis, Reyes in the dog house pls

 

When Reyes was hurt, the defence up the middle was pretty sick all around. The offence Reyes provides is needed though.

 

I'm just hoping Gibby is figuring out a way to run the thought by Reyes that he may be asked to sit defensively late in games with a lead when Travis is back.

[jaysfan2014]

Game 1: Hutchison on the road (Loss)

Game 2: vs. Archer (Loss)

Game 3: Estrada vs. Karns (w/l most likely loss)

 

They're all winnable games. The Jays offense is much better than it was in April, and the Rays offense struggles to put runs on the board, Tim Beckham, our biggest enemy, is on the DL.. heck, did you even watch today's Rays/Indians game? All those hits and the Rays couldn't score a single run. Look, as much as the Jays struggle in Tampa, there is no guarantee what will happen.. the Rays haven't faced an AL East team since the end of May, facing mostly punchless offenses in LA, Seattle, Washington, Chicago and Cleveland. Until they face contenders, the Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays and O's again, I'm not convinced they're a top team. And don't get me started on Cash freqently burning out the pen.. Jepsen lost his 5th game today out of the bullpen.

[jaysfan2014]

Need to get wins this week vs. the Rays and Rangers.. Yanks are playing Philly (easy wins for the Yanks), then the Astros, who will be a challenge. Rays have us and the Red Sox.. and considering Tampa's weak offense, even the Sox might give them a challenge. Look what Boston did to Kansas City this weekend..

[RealAccountant]

I wish the Jays got Duquette in December (after all the big moves were made). AA did a good job adding talent but Duquette would have rounded out the roster better and fired Hickons before it was too late.

 

We can only hope that there is still hope for that marriage. Otherwise it maybe another 22 years before we see a playoff game.

[Governator]

If the Jays knew Sanchez was going to be sidelined 3 starts, why not move Hendriks to the rotation at that point instead of rolling dice with Copeland, especially against the O's line up? Just like how the O's moved Gausman back to the rotation to spot start yesterday over Chen?

[ElNik2013]

I wish the Jays got Duquette in December (after all the big moves were made). AA did a good job adding talent but Duquette would have rounded out the roster better and fired Hickons before it was too late.

 

 

 

Yeah, that Chris Tillman fellow is awesome. Or having Nolan Reimold play CF is also great.

 

 

Not so sure it's the slam dunk you think it is.

[ElNik2013]

My big issue with Gibbons today was not having Goins bunt, it just shows that he doesn't realize that Goins is a terrible hitter. To top it off, Reyes bunted later on. Oh well...

[jaysfan2014]

If the Jays knew Sanchez was going to be sidelined 3 starts, why not move Hendriks to the rotation at that point instead of rolling dice with Copeland, especially against the O's line up? Just like how the O's moved Gausman back to the rotation to spot start yesterday over Chen?

 

Hell no. Hendriks is NOT a starter. We tried that before, as did Minnesota.. with disastrous results.

[jaysfan2014]

As for the Rays series, many of the bats that hurt us last time we faced them in Beckham, Jennings, and Loney back in April, are no longer with the club right now, as all three are on the DL. This series is a tough call.. this Rays team has overachieved quite a bit by taking advantage of a weak schedule. Don't expect it to last when they play contenders like Houston and KC, and the AL East. I still think this Rays team finishes 4th or last in the East, especially when the pen gets torn to shreds by August when Cash's heavy use of it catches up to him.

[RealAccountant]

My big issue with Gibbons today was not having Goins bunt, it just shows that he doesn't realize that Goins is a terrible hitter. To top it off, Reyes bunted later on. Oh well...

 

He gives too many chances to people. Been the story of the franchise,

 

Countless pitchers who we know will not be successful at the MLB level, are given huge runs. It doesn't seem to happen with the Rays. If its not Copeland, its Jo Jo Reyes. If its not Reyes its Josh Towers. Since Ash left, the franchise hasn't relied on drafting developing and focusing on pitching talent. Its been about mounting offense.

 

JPR came the closest when he signed Burnett and build an amazing bullpen in the middle of the last decade. It pains me to realize that it was now almost 7 years ago. That Jays team won 87 games. AA has never focused on the pitching, always thinking he can patch things up. He likes Gibby, because Gibby thinks like him. Thats all there is. All Gibby and AA care about is so and so battled out there.

 

6 years of AA and what young pitchers do we have to show for all his efforts? Stroman who finally came around last year, and Hutch thats it. Nothing more. The best pitcher he ever drafted pitches for the Mets now, and man you talk about hurting now. Wait till Syndergaard wins a couple of cy young awards.

[RealAccountant]

As for the Rays series, many of the bats that hurt us last time we faced them in Beckham, Jennings, and Loney back in April, are no longer with the club right now, as all three are on the DL. This series is a tough call.. this Rays team has overachieved quite a bit by taking advantage of a weak schedule. Don't expect it to last when they play contenders like Houston and KC, and the AL East. I still think this Rays team finishes 4th or last in the East, especially when the pen gets torn to shreds by August when Cash's heavy use of it catches up to him.

 

They haven't over achieved. They find clever ways to be competitive. They know that if they can get a well pitched game, and play good defense out there, some offense will be generated naturally. You wish we had the Rays entire management team.

[Boxcar]

He's dumb...doesn't know much about baseball

 

I am surprised the amount of irony in this post didn't break the internet.

[Atothe]

I am surprised the amount of irony in this post didn't break the internet.

 

Hey he knows guys who played at FSU

[Governator]

Hell no. Hendriks is NOT a starter. We tried that before, as did Minnesota.. with disastrous results.

 

He was a lights out starter for his entire pro career and couldn't figure it out at the major league level. He's finding success now, hes confident and throwing much harder than ever before (3mph on fastball and slider). He's not the same pitcher who failed before.

 

He could very well give us 5 innings in a spot start.

[jaysfan2014]

They haven't over achieved. They find clever ways to be competitive. They know that if they can get a well pitched game, and play good defense out there, some offense will be generated naturally. You wish we had the Rays entire management team.

 

One of those pieces, Joey Butler, is inflated by a .420 BABIP. And once again, they have not played any contenders or the AL East in June. Their lack of offense is going to catch up to them.

 

And the Rays management team also has to deal with a thin farm system.. they're ranked towards the bottom in farm system rankings, and the pipeline has dried up in recent years because of poor drafting.

 

And that rotation, except for Archer and Odorizzi, has serious regression coming. They need Moore and Smyly back ASAP.

Edited June 22, 2015 by jaysfan2014

[jaysfan2014]

He gives too many chances to people. Been the story of the franchise,

 

Countless pitchers who we know will not be successful at the MLB level, are given huge runs. It doesn't seem to happen with the Rays. If its not Copeland, its Jo Jo Reyes. If its not Reyes its Josh Towers. Since Ash left, the franchise hasn't relied on drafting developing and focusing on pitching talent. Its been about mounting offense.

 

JPR came the closest when he signed Burnett and build an amazing bullpen in the middle of the last decade. It pains me to realize that it was now almost 7 years ago. That Jays team won 87 games. AA has never focused on the pitching, always thinking he can patch things up. He likes Gibby, because Gibby thinks like him. Thats all there is. All Gibby and AA care about is so and so battled out there.

 

6 years of AA and what young pitchers do we have to show for all his efforts? Stroman who finally came around last year, and Hutch thats it. Nothing more. The best pitcher he ever drafted pitches for the Mets now, and man you talk about hurting now. Wait till Syndergaard wins a couple of cy young awards.

 

Syndergaard will never win a Cy Young with Kershaw, Scherzer and others in the NL. And Syndergaard could also just as easily crash and burn, or could be traded for a bat (the Mets are under serious pressure to win this year or ELSE.. with Terry Collins' job on the line.)

[glory]

Yeah, that Chris Tillman fellow is awesome. Or having Nolan Reimold play CF is also great.

 

 

Not so sure it's the slam dunk you think it is.

 

Not saying he would have been perfect but he would not have done the dumb s*** AA did after Stroman got hurt.

[BigCecil]

Hendriks and Osuna are new and reliable...so playoffs guaranteed?

...well aren't you just so smart lol. So you think we have enough pitching now? um...ok. We may have had enough with Stro but I doubt it.

 

Osuna and Hendricks have been very good although I wouldn't exactly call Hendricks new. He was converted to RHP middle reliever from AAA SP for us last season. I think he made a couple spot starts for us and was eventually moved and brought back. In his current role his V and K rate is up.

 

Unfortunately it takes several reliable arms for innings 6-9 with this staff (apparently Osuna and Hendricks cant pitch every day...who knew?!), and we need to add to the existing group including them imo. Overall Loup, Cecil and Delabar have been ok but id like to see them move down an inning. If we can get a mid rotation SP and a closer we will have a good shot. Wont be easy or cheap to acquire.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Syndergaard will never win a Cy Young with Kershaw, Scherzer and others in the NL. And Syndergaard could also just as easily crash and burn, or could be traded for a bat (the Mets are under serious pressure to win this year or ELSE.. with Terry Collins' job on the line.)

 

Joey Batz! Navarro for Thor and Gilmartin?

[Mikeleelop]

My big issue with Gibbons today was not having Goins bunt, it just shows that he doesn't realize that Goins is a terrible hitter. To top it off, Reyes bunted later on. Oh well...

 

did you see the O's defensive alignment? 1b and 3b were both 5ft inside their base and short stop was on the base line almost moving toward 3rd base as the pitch was delivered. sacrifice wouldn't work, and could have resulted in a DP.

[Olerud363]

Syndergaard will never win a Cy Young with Kershaw, Scherzer and others in the NL. And Syndergaard could also just as easily crash and burn, or could be traded for a bat (the Mets are under serious pressure to win this year or ELSE.. with Terry Collins' job on the line.)

 

Pat Hentgen won a cy young in a league with mid career Roger Clemens/Randy Johnson in the league.

 

Syndergard will likely not have a season better then Scherzer and Kershaw at their best, but He could easily win 20 and get a Cy Young in a year where Kershaw doesn't have a 1.44 era

 

Kershaw 11-8 2.44 little injury

Syndergaard 22-5 2.87 lots of run support (ok, not sure how any near term incarnation of Mets gets him run support.. maybe Jays collapse, new prez gives Mets Donaldson)

 

Why do we so many posters say things that aren't true, and are easy to prove aren't true?? Kershaw and Scherzer won't prevent others from winning Cy's if Clemens and Johnson didn't.

 

Pat Hentgen won a cy young in a league with mid career Roger Clemens/Randy Johnson