General Jays Discussion 2015

[tercet]

Aaron Loup is having a very good but unlucky season(reverse Sanchez). He is getting way too much hate this season.

 

9.5k/9, 1.5bb/9, 55% GB

 

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[KevinGregg]

Aaron Loup is having a very good but unlucky season(reverse Sanchez). He is getting way too much hate this season.

 

9.5k/9, 1.5bb/9, 55% GB

 

333babip, 23%hr/fb

Wouldn't you think hitters would have more fly balls go for home runs and more grounders turn into singles if they were making better contact? Maybe Loup is tipping his pitches.

Edited August 16, 2015 by KevinGregg

[nextyear]

The lineup has been posted on the Blue Jays Twitter page - https://twitter.com/bluejays.

 

Everyone knows how big this game is. A loss will be very deflating whereas a win will show that the Blue Jays really have the talent to win the AL East.

 

Hutchison will have to have a big game today.

 

[intentional wok]

I guess it's hard to argue against those numbers. I think it's that his failures (or BABIPs) have been in some pretty high stakes situations and it sours a lot of fans. There have been games when he's been seeing-eye singled to death. Bad result, but I don't think he's doing much different than what he's done in past seasons? He looks a bit shakier, but he's still striking out 10 per 9, so wtf. I missed a lot of games earlier in the season, so I don't have a good visual memory of most Loup outings. I've been seeing more games lately but obviously Gibby is going with his other pen options a lot more, so.

[BlueJayWay]

Loup looks to me like the same pitcher he's always been. Seriously unlucky this year.

[Captain Adama]

Loup looks to me like the same pitcher he's always been. Seriously unlucky this year.

 

The Aaron loup of the past never struck out as many guys as he does no. He's better,but still unlucky regardless.

[Mac Outlaw]

This winning streak has masked a bunch of inefficiencies and the biggest of which has been a limp, inopportune offense.

 

This board has disappointed me by failing to bring up this central fact.

 

I want so see a Win today brought on by the bats to make up for the central conundrum. We're better than this, let's prove it.

[HERPDERP]

I told you the offense was overachieving.

 

Colabello, Smoak, Pillar, e.t.c.

 

Doesn't help that Martin has turned to s*** and Revere decides he wants to be a 2 true outcome player (flyouts and strikeouts)

[dineke]

Every offense goes through cold streaks even the best ones.

[North of 60]

I think the lineup has finally come back down to earth. You look at the lineup, after the first 4 guys, the lineup really isn't that special. There isn't anyone there that you can say is dangerous or above average. You also have to keep in mind that Bautista and Encarnacion are shadows of their former selves.

 

Once the pitching regresses to normal this team is going to be in trouble.

[Atothe]

I told you the offense was overachieving.

 

Colabello, Smoak, Pillar, e.t.c.

 

Doesn't help that Martin has turned to s*** and Revere decides he wants to be a 2 true outcome player (flyouts and strikeouts)

 

we're missing travis. tulo, martin and revere are slumping but we're overachieving. derpy

[Atothe]

I think the lineup has finally come back down to earth. You look at the lineup, after the first 4 guys, the lineup really isn't that special. There isn't anyone there that you can say is dangerous or above average. You also have to keep in mind that Bautista and Encarnacion are shadows of their former selves.

 

Once the pitching regresses to normal this team is going to be in trouble.

 

i don'y know how you made it this long but i'm hoping the new mod bans you

[Effit]

Good pitching will shut down a good offense, that's not a startling revelation. Can throw them off for a bit afterwards but they'll come around. The Yanks have a great offense but they just recently went through a stretch where they couldn't buy a run to save their life, but now they've come around again. Anyone who thinks their team should score 8-10 runs every game should probably try lowering their expectations.

[Ambassador Ch0n]

i don'y know how you made it this long but i'm hoping the new mod bans you

 

You're trying way too hard.

 

He literally did nothing but express an opinion that you disagree with, you little fascist. Time to put on your Big Boy Pants there kiddo, if you're this sensitive the real world is going to eat you alive after high school.

[polar bear]

I told you the offense was overachieving.

 

 

 

 

Colabello, Smoak, Pillar, e.t.c.

 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't help that Martin has turned to s*** and Revere decides he wants to be a 2 true outcome player (flyouts and strikeouts)

You forgot to mention Tulo,who's been a huge disappointment at the plate.

[BigCecil]

This winning streak has masked a bunch of inefficiencies and the biggest of which has been a limp, inopportune offense.

 

This board has disappointed me by failing to bring up this central fact.

 

I want so see a Win today brought on by the bats to make up for the central conundrum. We're better than this, let's prove it.

 

I told you the offense was overachieving.

 

Colabello, Smoak, Pillar, e.t.c.

 

Doesn't help that Martin has turned to s*** and Revere decides he wants to be a 2 true outcome player (flyouts and strikeouts)

 

I think the lineup has finally come back down to earth. You look at the lineup, after the first 4 guys, the lineup really isn't that special. There isn't anyone there that you can say is dangerous or above average. You also have to keep in mind that Bautista and Encarnacion are shadows of their former selves.

 

Once the pitching regresses to normal this team is going to be in trouble.

 

You forgot to mention Tulo,who's been a huge disappointment at the plate.

 

Holy f*** guys. The offense has been scoring runs all season at a challenging pace to sustain. That's like saying the sky is blue.

 

Tulo has hit his whole career and he and Martin are in slumps. They will come around and will get hot again. Just a matter of time. Lets hope its today.

[Atothe]

You're trying way too hard.

 

He literally did nothing but express an opinion that you disagree with, you little fascist. Time to put on your Big Boy Pants there kiddo, if you're this sensitive the real world is going to eat you alive after high school.

 

ah oh, I don't know how I'm gonna make it in this big bad world

[Ambassador Ch0n]

ah oh, I don't know how I'm gonna make it in this big bad world

 

Neither do I. Good luck.

[jays_fever]

Good pitching will shut down a good offense, that's not a startling revelation. Can throw them off for a bit afterwards but they'll come around. The Yanks have a great offense but they just recently went through a stretch where they couldn't buy a run to save their life, but now they've come around again. Anyone who thinks their team should score 8-10 runs every game should probably try lowering their expectations.

 

Another interesting theory is that it is hard to hit a 95 MPH little white ball hard every game. These guys arent robots.

[glory]

The Yankees pitching is good, and that's the staff the Jays have had to face for 6 of the last 9 games.

 

The offense will be fine.

[ElNik2013]

Jays' pitching was really good this series. If it wasn't for bad management on Friday and a sinker that didn't sink from Sanchez, team may have won the series. Still, 4-2 vs Yankees and 12-2 in last 14. Good road trip and team could be approaching 15 games over .500.

[EMK19]

Hey all,

 

Just a serious question here about the popular issue lately about batting Tulo at leadoff. I do realize there are two completely different school of thoughts for this, and I understand both sides of the argument, one side preferring to always have your best hitters get the most at bats and him only really batting first once a game usually, and the other side wanting Tulo to bat at a spot he would be more comfortable (having played in all of his career in the middle of the order) and have him in better position to drive in runs.

 

The question is then, for those who are for Tulo continuing to bat leadoff, how long do you see us doing this for, for rest of his time with the Blue Jays here on? Do we continue to do this as long as we have the big three of JD, Bats and EE following him, then maybe considering a move if one or more of them goes? Or is it more due to the fact that there isn't a better hitter right now that you'd rather want leading off instead of Tulo? (since I know lot of people aren't fans of Revere leading off in his place due to his lower walk rate as well). For example, when Travis comes back, would you guys say that he makes a better case of having Tulo further down in the order? Or do you guys think we still bat Tulo first even then?

 

I'm personally of the thought that while I don't mind Tulo leading off, we also shouldn't be completely closed off to trying something else different... I mean, it's not like we can't change back to Tulo hitting leadoff once we take him out of there or anything, I'm thinking that it's not a bad time to give a different lineup a try right now with our 5/6th hitters struggling to hit consistently the past few weeks (by bumping one of the big hitters down one notch).

 

While we're on the subject, there's also the case of Ben Revere; we all know he's eventually going to start hitting better as his career numbers would indicate, and that he is one of the better SB threats in the league when he is on the base; right now in the 9th spot, with the big 4 following him, he's rarely had the chance to showcase that talent at all. I'm not necessarily thinking just the leadoff spot for him, but how about maybe bumping him up to 7 spot or so where bottom hitters can have a better chance of driving him in with a SB/a simple base hit? I just feel that he does have that great SB potential that we should make better use out of it...

 

Would really like to hear all thoughts on this long going debate going on. Thanks in advance.

[comeon sense]

I dont know when/if Devon Travis will be back.If he somehow does come back healthy,the Tulo leadoff thing will end.

I wouldn,t mind seeing Revere bat 7th just to see if it sparks him,but i see what the Jays are doing batting him 9th,and winning 11 in a row with that lineup doesnt hurt that philosophy.

[Daniel Labude]

Tulo doesn't need to hit leadoff anymore. Hopefully Travis will be back soon.

[thatoneguy]

I think the lineup has finally come back down to earth. You look at the lineup, after the first 4 guys, the lineup really isn't that special. There isn't anyone there that you can say is dangerous or above average. You also have to keep in mind that Bautista and Encarnacion are shadows of their former selves.

 

Once the pitching regresses to normal this team is going to be in trouble.

 

Bautista has been fine and EE was getting into a hot streak before he got injured.

 

Martin is absolutely an above average bat, especially for his position, when he isn't in a funk.

[RealAccountant]

Until AA trades EE in the offseason

[RealAccountant]

Bautista is not a shadow of his former self. He is having a better offensive 2015 then he did 2012 or 2013. He is on pace for a 40HR/100 RBI Season, and will probably end up leading the league in walks too. His defense is not what it used to be though, that is acceptable.

[RealAccountant]

3 off days in the next 8 games. everyone will get well rested.

[LTR]

Martin's wRC+ in Aug = -26

[BigCecil]

Martin's wRC+ in Aug = -26

 

He has been grabbing his right hamstring.

 

Im just wondering if its affecting his ability to load up on his back leg. He missed a high and away FB that earlier in the year he was hammering to RCF and he cant square anything up.