General Jays Discussion 2015

[Swervin81]

Yankees have a better starting staff even with price.

 

Price >> Tanaka

Buehrle = Pineda

Dickey < Eovaldi

Estrada <<< Nova

Hutch <<< CC

 

If this was a playoff series, we'd have the edge with a 3 man, but Estrada is bound to fall off the face of the earth and Hutch have been terrible, which completely sinks our rotation against a decent Nova and CC.

[o2cui2i]

Lolabello in the lineup playing at 1B. *Prays to Jesus this does not affect the game*

 

it's probably our best hitting lineup with the roster we have now. Just have to hope Cola has a good game at first.

[o2cui2i]

Price >> Tanaka

Buehrle = Pineda

Dickey < Eovaldi

Estrada <<< Nova

Hutch <<< CC

 

If this was a playoff series, we'd have the edge with a 3 man, but Estrada is bound to fall off the face of the earth and Hutch have been terrible, which completely sinks our rotation against a decent Nova and CC.

 

he can do that next april for some other team.

[Followthelight]

Yeah I don't think it's that close. A healthy Stroman changes that quite a bit though.

 

Agree.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Price >> Tanaka

Buehrle = Pineda

Dickey < Eovaldi

Estrada <<< Nova

Hutch <<< CC

 

If this was a playoff series, we'd have the edge with a 3 man, but Estrada is bound to fall off the face of the earth and Hutch have been terrible, which completely sinks our rotation against a decent Nova and CC.

 

lol no

[Boxcar]

Price >> Tanaka

Buehrle = Pineda

Dickey < Eovaldi

Estrada <<< Nova

Hutch <<< CC

 

If this was a playoff series, we'd have the edge with a 3 man, but Estrada is bound to fall off the face of the earth and Hutch have been terrible, which completely sinks our rotation against a decent Nova and CC.

 

These comparisons are pretty terrible. Hutch has been just as good as Sabathia with the ability to be better. Nova isn't better than Estrada. Pineda is better than Buehrle. Eovaldi sucks and Dickey may not suck.

[Followthelight]

These comparisons are pretty terrible. Hutch has been just as good as Sabathia with the ability to be better. Nova isn't better than Estrada. Pineda is better than Buehrle. Eovaldi sucks and Dickey may not suck.

 

Estrada is going to regress..nova is better then Estrada. He is pitching way above his ability right now.

[Swervin81]

These comparisons are pretty terrible. Hutch has been just as good as Sabathia with the ability to be better. Nova isn't better than Estrada. Pineda is better than Buehrle. Eovaldi sucks and Dickey may not suck.

 

Eovaldi's actually decent ever since he started using that splitter more. I just keep expecting Estrada to fall off the face of the earth. Hutch... meh. His underlying numbers have been good but it's not like every circumstance that makes up that gap is just bad luck. Complete inability to shut down the run game or field his position. He may have the worst pick off move in baseball (better than having none at all, I suppose, Mr. Jon Lester). Not a whole lot of grounders either.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Estrada is going to regress..nova is better then Estrada. He is pitching way above his ability right now.

 

Yeah, and I don't think Eovaldi is garbage, maybe on the same level as Dickey.

[Followthelight]

Yeah, and I don't think Eovaldi is garbage, maybe on the same level as Dickey.

 

Eovaldi has good stuff.

[GD]

Price >> Tanaka

Buehrle = Pineda

Dickey < Eovaldi

Estrada <<< Nova

Hutch <<< CC

 

If this was a playoff series, we'd have the edge with a 3 man, but Estrada is bound to fall off the face of the earth and Hutch have been terrible, which completely sinks our rotation against a decent Nova and CC.

 

Nova is not that much better than Estrada, lol.

[Atothe]

Eovaldi has good stuff.

 

so does Edwin Jackson

[Followthelight]

so does Edwin Jackson

 

Edwin and Eovaldi are two different people bro.

[Atothe]

Edwin and Eovaldi are two different people bro.

 

Whats your point? Good stuff doesn't = good pitcher

[Followthelight]

Whats your point? Good stuff doesn't = good pitcher

 

Didn't say it did...but eovaldi has been pitching well for awhile.

[RealAccountant]

Bases loaded no outs with Donaldson Bautista Encarnacion. You have to get more

[Followthelight]

Bases loaded no outs with Donaldson Bautista Encarnacion. You have to get more

 

Bautistas at bat was awful....tanaka throwing all breaking balls bautista swinging out of his shoes looking fastball.

[saskjayfan]

Bautistas at bat was awful....tanaka throwing all breaking balls bautista swinging out of his shoes looking fastball.

 

yeah...pitchers getting paid 175 mil never make hitters look silly. I'm sure in you know exactly what it is like to face a tanaka splitter so you're speaking from experience when you say bautista should have recognized the pitch better.

[Followthelight]

yeah...pitchers getting paid 175 mil never make hitters look silly. I'm sure in you know exactly what it is like to face a tanaka splitter so you're speaking from experience when you say bautista should have recognized the pitch better.

 

It was an awful at bat....no discipline and swinging out of his shoes on a guy that was clearly not challenging them. But keep being a homer.

[Swervin81]

I think Tulo's "funk" is being vastly overstated. Tulo's LD/GB/FB have been 25/40/35 and his BABIP .244 as a Blue Jay. A LD% of 25% is very good. He's hitting the ball nice and hard. He's just getting rotten luck with hard hit balls finding gloves. He'll be fine.

[EMK19]

With struggles of both Revere and Tulo hitting wise (along with the team not being able to score in enough innings for some reason and only scoring in bunches in one inning lately), and with our overall momentum as a team finally coming to a still now, I'm wondering if this might perhaps be a good time to experiment with a different lineup, and perhaps try both of them at the same time in spots they'd be more familiar with, trying Revere as leadoff (he did have two hits leading off on Thursday although Tulo wasn't playing... and he can probably utilize his speed a bit more as a #1 hitter if he gets on) and Tulo somewhere in the 3~5 spot instead... and see if this helps to gets them into their comfort zone a bit more. Doing this would also address that 5/6 spot in the order where Martin/Smoak has been struggling to hit lately (aside from few timely Smoak homers) since it would bump one of the big hitters down...

[jays76]

With struggles of both Revere and Tulo hitting wise (along with the team not being able to score in enough innings for some reason and only scoring in bunches in one inning lately), and with our overall momentum as a team finally coming to a still now, I'm wondering if this might perhaps be a good time to experiment with a different lineup, and perhaps try both of them at the same time in spots they'd be more familiar with, trying Revere as leadoff (he did have two hits leading off on Thursday although Tulo wasn't playing... and he can probably utilize his speed a bit more as a #1 hitter if he gets on) and Tulo somewhere in the 3~5 spot instead... and see if this helps to gets them into their comfort zone a bit more. Doing this would also address that 5/6 spot in the order where Martin/Smoak has been struggling to hit lately (aside from few timely Smoak homers) since it would bump one of the big hitters down...

 

We need our good luck charm Travis back.

[ElNik2013]

As far as the offense is concerned, past week has been tough and they have pitching to thank for the streak to a large extent.

 

It shouldn't be a surprise though since the bottom of the order includes Goins, Pillar and Revere.

 

Might be time to call up Pompey to work on a platoon with Pillar and Revere, but probably won't happen.

[ElNik2013]

yeah...pitchers getting paid 175 mil never make hitters look silly. I'm sure in you know exactly what it is like to face a tanaka splitter so you're speaking from experience when you say bautista should have recognized the pitch better.

 

I thought Tanaka's contract was for 155M?

[P2F]

Does anyone know the latest on Michael Saunders? Is he still returning in a couple of weeks?

[nextyear]

I found this interesting article that quotes Bill James, who was a pioneer of Sabermetrics (derived from the acronym SABR from Society for American Baseball Research), that is titled - Bill James: not a “statistical guru,” not impressed by WAR - http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/29/bill-james-not-a-statistical-guru-not-impressed-by-war/

 

The following is an abstract from the short article:

 

And you wanna know what else? He’s not at all impressed by Wins Above Replacement (WAR), the stat that has become a proxy in the larger battle between stat-oriented people and traditional baseball people:

 

“Well, my math skills are limited and my data-processing skills are essentially nonexistent. The younger guys are way, way beyond me in those areas. I’m fine with that, and I don’t struggle against it, and I hope that I don’t deny them credit for what they can do that I can’t.

 

“But because that is true, I ASSUMED that these were complex, nuanced, sophisticated systems. I never really looked; I just assumed that the details were out of my depth. But sometime in the last year I was doing some research that relied on these WAR systems, so I took a look at them, and … they’re not very impressive. They’re not well thought through; they haven’t made a convincing effort to address many of the inherent difficulties that the undertaking presents.

They tend to get so far into the data, throw up their arms and make a wild guess. I don’t know if I’m going to get the time to do better of it, or if it will be left to others, but … we’re not at anything like an end point here. I assumed that these systems were a lot better than they actually are.

”

 

Bill James seems like rational person who loves baseball. He was also instrumental in analysing baseball stats and realizing the limitations of some stats such as batting average and developing a better stat called secondary average - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_average (amongst many others)

 

I like most of the new Sabermetric statistics. However, I agree with Bill James, in that I am not really impressed by WAR since the metric supposes to determine wins better than a replacement level player. However, I believe that when separated into offensive WAR and defensive WAR it gives an additional indicator of a players performance in each category (as opposed to believing that it actually determines win contribution).

 

Although Bill James was a pioneer of Sabermetrics, he doesn't seem to be a Sabermetrics extremist.

Edited August 16, 2015 by nextyear

[nextyear]

I think Tulo's "funk" is being vastly overstated. Tulo's LD/GB/FB have been 25/40/35 and his BABIP .244 as a Blue Jay. A LD% of 25% is very good. He's hitting the ball nice and hard. He's just getting rotten luck with hard hit balls finding gloves. He'll be fine.

 

Yes, I agree. Just from watching him play and not really looking at any statistics it seems like he is one of the leaders on the team and has contributed greatly to the team's success.

[Spanky99]

Projections say the Yankees are better but it's so close it, could go either way. But the Yankees have the edge. People need to accept this.

 

Uhmm...

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/probability.jsp

[Ehjays]

I think Tulo's "funk" is being vastly overstated. Tulo's LD/GB/FB have been 25/40/35 and his BABIP .244 as a Blue Jay. A LD% of 25% is very good. He's hitting the ball nice and hard. He's just getting rotten luck with hard hit balls finding gloves. He'll be fine.

 

I would sooner have Tulo in a Funk than Reyes on a regular day! No way we would have won some of those games with Reyes "D"

[flafson]

I would sooner have Tulo in a Funk than Reyes on a regular day! No way we would have won some of those games with Reyes "D"

 

True, those Reyes errors late in game were so demoralizing...