2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[Boxcar]

It's because your over valuing Hamels, it could be shaping up to be another Dickey trade and in my opinion we have a better opportunity next year.

 

Did you really just equate Cole Hamels with RA Dickey?

[IronLadle]

Did you really just equate Cole Hamels with RA Dickey?

 

I think I did

[KIllerSloth]

He could be saying this to increase his value to teams he wants to go to, making it seem like there is more competition for his services,

[BigCecil]

It's because your over valuing Hamels, it could be shaping up to be another Dickey trade and in my opinion we have a better opportunity next year.

 

Hamels > RA big time. He is 32 with consistent front end results.

 

Over valuing? He is expensive but he isn't a rental and I think his contract is more dealable if need be than Mark B's was.

 

We have the best offense in baseball imo bolstered by additions of Martin/JD and we sit one game out with a need for a quality arm(s). Always next year? Reminds me of the Nationals decision to sit Strasburg to protect him for "next year" as part of their grand plan. They didn't even make the playoffs next season and ended up paying big for Scherzer anyway.

[jays_fever]

Yea realistically, how many pitchers project to outperform Hamels over the next 3 years, maybe 10? It's tough to overpay for premium talent.

[BigCecil]

Rather get Chapman and Cueto from Reds for what it will costs to get Hamels

 

The price for those two will be more imo and Cueto is only a rental. Reds can get a 1st round pick just by making Cueto a QO if they keep.

[thatoneguy]

It's because your over valuing Hamels, it could be shaping up to be another Dickey trade and in my opinion we have a better opportunity next year.

 

Next year next year next year...

 

How about this f***ing year? You know, when we have a pretty damn volcanic offence that leads MLB by a sizable margin.

[KIllerSloth]

Next year next year next year...

 

How about this f***ing year? You know, when we have a pretty damn volcanic offence that leads MLB by a sizable margin.

 

Agree, if you are going for it go all the way, this is the year to do it.

[glory]

Hamels would make more sense than Cueto due to years of control, so if they're going to do one "f*** the future" trade, it should be with the Phillies.

[IronLadle]

Hamels > RA big time. He is 32 with consistent front end results.

 

Over valuing? He is expensive but he isn't a rental and I think his contract is more dealable if need be than Mark B's was.

 

We have the best offense in baseball imo bolstered by additions of Martin/JD and we sit one game out with a need for a quality arm(s). Always next year? Reminds me of the Nationals decision to sit Strasburg to protect him for "next year" as part of their grand plan. They didn't even make the playoffs next season and ended up paying big for Scherzer anyway.

 

Of course Hamels is better but he's currently 32nd in WAR for pitchers and that's what I'm valuing him at.

 

Next year there's a lot of decent free agent pitching available - I'd rather get have Sharkey and Kazmir than Hamels.

 

Trading for Hamels is like resorting to hail mary's in the 3rd quarter

[jaysblue]

Hurl mentioned this to me today, a trade that would fit both teams quite well right now: Strasburg for EE

 

Would the Nationals do that though?

[jaysblue]

Of course Hamels is better but he's currently 32nd in WAR for pitchers and that's what I'm valuing him at.

 

Next year there's a lot of decent free agent pitching available - I'd rather get have Sharkey and Kazmir than Hamels.

 

Trading for Hamels is like resorting to hail mary's in the 3rd quarter

 

Would Kazmir or Sharky want to sign here in Toronto? And if so, how many years? Likely looking at 6-7 years for Sharky close to $18 million/AAV and Kazmir likely gets a 4-5 year deal worth $15-16 million/AAV.

[BigCecil]

Of course Hamels is better but he's currently 32nd in WAR for pitchers and that's what I'm valuing him at.

 

Next year there's a lot of decent free agent pitching available - I'd rather get have Sharkey and Kazmir than Hamels.

 

Trading for Hamels is like resorting to hail mary's in the 3rd quarter

 

Yes, Im sure those two will flock to us if we don't make the playoffs again, for a 3 year deal in Canada. Take your pick!

 

If he is truly considering waiving his veto its likely largely because he thinks this team can win this yr.

 

Equating accquiring Hamels, who has been one of the most consistent SP in MLB for years, to a "hail mary in the 3rd Q" does not make sense.

 

We are one game out with 84 games left in a winnable division. We don't need a HM. We need a calculated decision to acquire a quality arm(s) imo.

Edited June 29, 2015 by BigCecil

[IronLadle]

Yes, Im sure those two will flock to us if we don't make the playoffs again, for a 3 year deal in Canada. Take your pick!

 

Equating accquiring Hamels, who has been one of the most consistent SP in MLB for years, to a "hail mary in the 3rd Q" does not make sense.

 

We are one game out with 84 games left in a winnable division. We don't need a HM. We need a calculated decision to acquire a quality arm(s) imo.

 

If we acquire Hamels and the asking price is as steep as we assume, then we basically need to win this year because we have no depth in starting pitching to start the 2016 year. Maybe we get lucky and Buehrle agrees to a cheap one deal but you can't count on it.

[RealAccountant]

I think everyone can agree that Hamels, in his prime, for the next three years could be amazing for Toronto. Assuming he wants to come here, AA needs to do everything possible to make that happen.

[IronLadle]

Would Kazmir or Sharky want to sign here in Toronto? And if so, how many years? Likely looking at 6-7 years for Sharky close to $18 million/AAV and Kazmir likely gets a 4-5 year deal worth $15-16 million/AAV.

 

I doubt Sharky gets 18 million 7-8 years he's only one really good season. I'd say they both are around 12-16 million for 3-4 years.

[admin]

Did you really just equate Cole Hamels with RA Dickey?

 

Well at the time people were in love with Dickey, comparable to Hamels.

[admin]

See where Hamels ranks among pitchers this year:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&page=1_30

 

Still gonna pat myself on the back when I suggested we trade for Arrieta when he had a 7ERA and was sent down to the minors.

[pickoff22]

Of course Hamels is better but he's currently 32nd in WAR for pitchers and that's what I'm valuing him at.

 

Next year there's a lot of decent free agent pitching available - I'd rather get have Sharkey and Kazmir than Hamels.

 

Trading for Hamels is like resorting to hail mary's in the 3rd quarter

 

Hamels is 6th in WAR from 2011-now, 7th from 2012-now. He's on pace for another 4 WAR season. He would be a fantastic pickup and would require less of a time commitment and likely less dollars than Shark. Kazmir isn't in the same conversation - he's a good pitcher and sure I would love him on my team, but he doesn't have the track record that Hamels has. And he's the same age.

[BigCecil]

Of course Hamels is better but he's currently 32nd in WAR for pitchers and that's what I'm valuing him at.

 

Our old farm hand Jesse Chavez is currently 20th on that list. Is Chavez > than Hamels value wise?

 

To be fair, there is a arguable case to be made that we only need to add a mid rotation SP with this O. It would be enough and cost us less.

[Boxcar]

Still gonna pat myself on the back when I suggested we trade for Arrieta when he had a 7ERA and was sent down to the minors.

 

Who knows if the Jays would have been able to turn him around. I'd still put my money on "no" or AA would have turned him into a reliever.

[RealAccountant]

Our old farm hand Jesse Chavez is currently 20th on that list. Is Chavez > than Hamels value wise?

 

To be fair, there is a arguable case to be made that we only need to add a mid rotation SP with this O. It would be enough and cost us less.

 

I don't think so. Orioles are looking like a 95 win team. We need a guy who will steal games when the offense is not at its best

 

I'd setlle for two elite relievers instead and go with this rotation

[Atothe]

I don't think so. Orioles are looking like a 95 win team. We need a guy who will steal games when the offense is not at its best

 

I'd setlle for two elite relievers instead and go with this rotation

 

Are you serious? You really are simple

[Atothe]

ITT I learned Orioles are a 95 win team. Stop the rest of the regular season. No point in playing

[TheHurl]

Would the Nationals do that though?

 

Jays might have to throw in a piece which makes it tough. But if the Nats were smart they would negotiate with Zimmerman and look to deal Strasburg, who can get them a bat. They have Ross and Roark who could start. All it really means is that Fister might have to start the rest of the season. For the Jays they probably aren't that affected this season they run with a 3 person platoon at 1B/DH. Jays get the smaller upgrade here but Strasburg next season.

[RealAccountant]

Orioles are really good plus they have a manager who doesn't get in the way of them winning

 

Very underrated team

[reedjohnsonfan]

Jays might have to throw in a piece which makes it tough. But if the Nats were smart they would negotiate with Zimmerman and look to deal Strasburg, who can get them a bat. They have Ross and Roark who could start. All it really means is that Fister might have to start the rest of the season. For the Jays they probably aren't that affected this season they run with a 3 person platoon at 1B/DH. Jays get the smaller upgrade here but Strasburg next season.

 

That's a terrible trade for the Jays and an all around awful idea. They have guys like Norris, Sanchez, Pompey who all have value to trade for a pitcher. Why would they trade one of their premier sluggers? It maybe makes them marginally better right now. The more logical thing to do is hang onto EE and trade him if they are out of contention next season.

[RealAccountant]

I guess the question is how much of a dip do the Jays suffer in offense by replacing EE with Colabello/Smoak permanently vs. how much improvement with adding Strasburg to the rotation.

 

I hope no one seriously thinks Stratsburg is up.for trade and furthermore can be acquired for EE

 

In any case I think Jays can replace EE with Smoak and not lose that much. Just my thought

[reedjohnsonfan]

I guess the question is how much of a dip do the Jays suffer in offense by replacing EE with Colabello/Smoak permanently vs. how much improvement with adding Strasburg to the rotation.

 

They become a marginally better team I'll give you that, but it's still a terrible trade for both teams IMO and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would you deal EE when you can probably improve more by trading Norris/Sanchez/Pompey?

[pickoff22]

 

In any case I think Jays can replace EE with Smoak and not lose that much. Just my thought

 

Smoak is nowhere near as good as EE, it's not even close. They would certainly be sacrificing something on the offensive end. I have never understood why so many people were bullish on Smoak, to me he isn't anyone to get overly excited about.