2015 Trade Deadline Targets Thread.

[Jimcanuck]

Because winning is important?

 

Trading EE in particular for pitching could make for a better team, when Smoak and lefty killer Valencia are available.

 

Won't happen, moot.

[Stangstag]

Why not deal one of Edwin or Jose before they do slow down, are getting paid a s*** ton of money and they're only being kept around to whet the appetite of fans to watch good Jays players retiring as Jays?

 

I'm really big on the idea of trading either Bautista or Edwin this offseason to reload on some pitching or prospects/whatever. Don't want to have to re-sign both to monster deals that will take them into their late 30s.

 

Still leaves us with Edwin/Bautista, Donaldson, Martin, Reyes as the core of our offense.

[jaysblue]

^ I dont know. Since we gave away two top pitching prospects that right now look like could be front of the line pitchers for years to come, its hard to think otherwise. I remember the excitement around the Lansing 3, and to think that we may have kept the only non front line pitcher from there

 

Yeah Noah Syndergaard and who else? The others I don't see as front of the rotation starters. Plus how does the Marlins deal and the RA Dickey trade compare to landing Cole Hamels? We're talking about an elite arm locked up reasonably for 3 years.

[jaysblue]

Why not deal one of Edwin or Jose before they do slow down, are getting paid a s*** ton of money and they're only being kept around to whet the appetite of fans to watch good Jays players retiring as Jays?

 

I don't want the Jays to keep Jose or EE around after 2016 considering the cost to bring them back, though the Blue Jays should do everything in their power to try and field a team that could contend for a World Series in the next two-three years when you have guys like Jose, EE, Donaldson and Martin all locked up as your core.

[jaysblue]

I'm really big on the idea of trading either Bautista or Edwin this offseason to reload on some pitching or prospects/whatever. Don't want to have to re-sign both to monster deals that will take them into their late 30s.

 

Still leaves us with Edwin/Bautista, Donaldson, Martin, Reyes as the core of our offense.

 

Exactly. So you have EE and Bautista both until 2016, so why not try and win a World Series in the next two years with them while they still are performing at a high level rather than without them?

[GD]

Just a little something I've put together annually for a few years.

 

2015 Trade Deadline Targets: Pitchers

 

2015 Trade Deadline Targets: Hitters

 

Used NJH's list + a few of my own for pitchers, and did hitters myself. Not a lot of hitters out there.

 

If you guys have any adds, tell me.

[Stangstag]

Exactly. So you have EE and Bautista both until 2016, so why not try and win a World Series in the next two years with them while they still are performing at a high level rather than without them?

 

Because the offense will still be good enough if we trade one of them, and we could use the pieces that we receive to help us now AND in the future.

[IronLadle]

Just a little something I've put together annually for a few years.

 

2015 Trade Deadline Targets: Pitchers

 

2015 Trade Deadline Targets: Hitters

 

Used NJH's list + a few of my own for pitchers, and did hitters myself. Not a lot of hitters out there.

 

If you guys have any adds, tell me.

 

That's a great list and you can see Hamels value doesn't match his asking price.

[Frenchsoup]

Ben Revere, Adam Eaton, Logan Schafer, Dustin Ackley

[reedjohnsonfan]

Because the offense will still be good enough if we trade one of them, and we could use the pieces that we receive to help us now AND in the future.

 

But you're making them worse next year if you get an up and coming player in the trade. That sounds like a terrible idea. I'd just keep them and then let them walk (will of course be tough to swallow for PR reasons) or trade them next year if they struggling to stay in contention.

[KIllerSloth]

Open minded? Does he think Toronto is afghanistan or something?

[RealAccountant]

You know with the Mariners Losing, who may become available

 

 

Happ. Wonder what it would take to bring Happ back home.

[KIllerSloth]

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 55s55 seconds ago

Per @JSalisburyCSN, #Phillies’ Hamels says he is open to all teams, including #Blue Jays and #Astros. Jim’s story: http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/cole-hamels-open-minded-all-potential-trade-destinations?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter …

 

Why the change of heart? Or is he just saying this for good PR.

[RealAccountant]

Just a little something I've put together annually for a few years.

 

2015 Trade Deadline Targets: Pitchers

 

2015 Trade Deadline Targets: Hitters

 

Used NJH's list + a few of my own for pitchers, and did hitters myself. Not a lot of hitters out there.

 

If you guys have any adds, tell me.

 

Man Imagine acquiring Chapman

 

Our bullpen problems would be history with a Closer-Setup punch of Chapman-Osuna.

[Atothe]

Why the change of heart? Or is he just saying this for good PR.

 

His manager just quit, their president is looking for his replacement, their GM is a lameduck and oh did I forgot they're losing a lot

[reedjohnsonfan]

Just a little something I've put together annually for a few years.

 

2015 Trade Deadline Targets: Pitchers

 

2015 Trade Deadline Targets: Hitters

 

Used NJH's list + a few of my own for pitchers, and did hitters myself. Not a lot of hitters out there.

 

If you guys have any adds, tell me.

 

Thanks. If the Jays are looking for OF help (MLBTR suggested it) one name I really like on that list is Carlos Gonzalez. With his contract he might not cost a boat load of guys. Perfect opportunity to buy low if they can take on most of the contract.

[Jimcanuck]

You know with the Mariners Losing, who may become available

 

 

Happ. Wonder what it would take to bring Happ back home.

 

Walker the better target..... 4.64 ERA, 3.80 xFIP...... and Jack Z stupid

[jaysblue]

Because the offense will still be good enough if we trade one of them, and we could use the pieces that we receive to help us now AND in the future.

 

Remember a couple of years ago some posters wanted to trade Bautista to Texas for a package built around Profar and Perez or some other names who I can't remember. Good thing that never happened.

 

I'm up for trading Jose or EE though it makes zero sense to trade them for prospects right now when this team is in contention to win the AL East in 2015 and in 2016. And it's not like you are going to get a prospect like Joc Pederson or Kris Bryant for a year and a half of Bautista or EE.

[jaysblue]

But you're making them worse next year if you get an up and coming player in the trade. That sounds like a terrible idea. I'd just keep them and then let them walk (will of course be tough to swallow for PR reasons) or trade them next year if they struggling to stay in contention.

 

If the Jays traded Bautista or EE for a bunch of prospects nobody heard of it would be a PR disaster. Unless you completely blow it all up (which makes zero sense right now considering the Jays position), then you try to win with both Bautista and EE.

[Atothe]

Remember a couple of years ago some posters wanted to trade Bautista to Texas for a package built around Profar and Perez or some other names who I can't remember. Good thing that never happened.

 

I'm up for trading Jose or EE though it makes zero sense to trade them for prospects right now when this team is in contention to win the AL East in 2015 and in 2016. And it's not like you are going to get a prospect like Joc Pederson or Kris Bryant for a year and a half of Bautista or EE.

 

I definitely was part of that mindset but I was wrong and glad to admit it

[IronLadle]

See where Hamels ranks among pitchers this year:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&page=1_30

[BigCecil]

Remember a couple of years ago some posters wanted to trade Bautista to Texas for a package built around Profar and Perez or some other names who I can't remember. Good thing that never happened.

 

I'm up for trading Jose or EE though it makes zero sense to trade them for prospects right now when this team is in contention to win the AL East in 2015 and in 2016. And it's not like you are going to get a prospect like Joc Pederson or Kris Bryant for a year and a half of Bautista or EE.

 

I remember the fapping over Profar. "generational talent"....fap fap fap. Heard same on D'arnaud who may become a good player if he can ever stay off the DL.

 

I don't get why some under value the opportunity here and now with the existing team plus the right established addition(s) which will cost us some assets.

Edited June 28, 2015 by BigCecil

[SpeedyGose]

If the Jays traded Bautista or EE for a bunch of prospects nobody heard of it would be a PR disaster. Unless you completely blow it all up (which makes zero sense right now considering the Jays position), then you try to win with both Bautista and EE.

 

Hurl mentioned this to me today, a trade that would fit both teams quite well right now: Strasburg for EE

[Atothe]

I remember the fapping over Profar. "generational talent"....fap fap fap. Heard same on D'arnaud who may become a good player if he can ever stay off the FL.

 

I don't get why some under value the opportunity here and now with the existing team plus the right established addition(s) which will cost us some assets.

 

profar wasn't a generational talent but he was very damn good. made to the majors as a 20 year old. Thats rare

[IronLadle]

Castro and Jairo Labourt for Sharkey

[BigCecil]

profar wasn't a generational talent but he was very damn good. made to the majors as a 20 year old. Thats rare

 

I cant argue with that. We got one....Brosuna!

[Dr Negative]

Amaro Jr is probably holding out for a job saving offer for Hamels. I don't think the Phillies are going to be reasonable unless their financial situation is bad.

[IronLadle]

I remember the fapping over Profar. "generational talent"....fap fap fap. Heard same on D'arnaud who may become a good player if he can ever stay off the DL.

 

I don't get why some under value the opportunity here and now with the existing team plus the right established addition(s) which will cost us some assets.

 

It's because your over valuing Hamels, it could be shaping up to be another Dickey trade and in my opinion we have a better opportunity next year.

[GNick49]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/hamels-open-minded-on-potential-trade-to-jays/

 

Rather get Chapman and Cueto from Reds for what it will costs to get Hamels

[JaysFan4Ever]

Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but I wouldn't be against the Jays giving up some talent if the return (mostly pitching) is under control for a few years. The Jays are kind of in a must win now year since MB is a FA, Dickey can be bought out, and the $12M he would cost could pick up a back end rotation guy who's 10 years younger and could put up similar or better numbers, so 2 of our vets and inning eaters will be gone. If a trade brings in a starter who can help the team win now plus stick around for a couple of years it would be the best case unless the Jays decide to go with the young pitchers, try to sign guys on the FA market (which wouldn't be easy if they had a chance to win a division and didn't at least try something other than bring up a AAAA player), or whatever. I don't like the idea of burning the farm for rentals or huge contracts that might handcuff the team later. I'm sure AA could play his cards right and pick up at least an arm for the pen and rotation. The pen might be more difficult since we'd be after a legit closer or someone who's more capable of coming in late (8th-9th) and close the door especially since Osuna can't pitch two inning saves every time out.

 

The good news is if the Jays do pick up some players there is some money coming off the books. They even have cheap options on EE and Bautista. Problem is Martin and Reyes' contracts jump up to $20M or a bit more in Reyes' case so that's going to hurt the Jays a bit unless ownership keeps the payroll about where it is. If they manage to win that money might go up.

 

I just have this feeling that if they don't get it this year, they might throw their arms up, say they've tried in that 3 year window, and then just run out the young pitchers and try a rebuild, blow it up, and we're back to square one like we've seen before. That being said I don't like the idea of selling the farm for players who aren't going to be under control for more than the rest of this year.

 

You have to pay the price of business but the Jays just need some decent pitching. An ace or a solid #2 would be great, but someone who can eat innings, save the pen, give the Jays a chance to win with our offence, who is a lock for his starts, preferably a ground ball pitcher or someone who doesn't give up too many homers, and he might come cheaper this year and possibly next to resign. Having a true, shutdown ace would be great, especially if it's a Wild Card game, but if the Jays pitching just pitches decently and the offense can score, they should be fine if they can get another shutdown arm in the pen.

 

Then again I might have no idea what I'm talking about