2015 First-Year Player Draft GDT | June 8, 2015 - 7:00 PM ET | Live on MLB.com

[King]

Keith Laws final mock draft has Jenkins to the Jays

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=4&source=Keith-Law-Mock-Draft

 

Also says we are in on Singer, and Martin. Not really new.

[TwistedLogic]

Scott Kingery is a slap hitting, no power guy with above average but not great speed. Not sure I understand the obsession.

 

"Not great speed"? Kingery drives the ball to all fields, has a 60-grade run tool that was ranked as the fourth best speed tool out of college bats by Perfect Game, and he was showing power in his most recent season (25 XBH, 5 homers in 54 games). He also probably would have been playing shortstop if Newman wasn't on the same team as him. He can easily develop a little more power as he matures. He's a classic case of a guy being underrated because of his small height and low power tool.

 

Examples:

 

"While he led the Sun Devils with a .409 average and nine home runs, he doesn't have a pretty swing and is a slap hitter. But he has good strike zone judgment and is a tough out. He struck only 11 times while drawing 43 walks. He compares to Angels shortstop David Eckstein, though Eckstein is a better runner. On tools, Pedroia is not a high-round pick but he's a perfect fit for a performance-based organization like the Athletics, who have four of the first 40 picks."

 

"Kipnis doesn't have one standout tool, but can do a little bit of everything. He has a patient approach and a line-drive swing. He has shown he can hit quality pitching, though he doesn't profile for big power with a wood bat, making him a potential tweener. While his defense in center field has improved, he doesn't have the range to stay there long-term--yet he might not hit enough to man a corner spot. He may also get a chance to try second base."

[Angrioter]

Keith Laws final mock draft has Jenkins to the Jays

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=4&source=Keith-Law-Mock-Draft

 

Also says we are in on Singer, and Martin. Not really new.

 

Ben Revere ceiling. Great.

[NorthOf49]

"Not great speed"? Kingery drives the ball to all fields, has a 60-grade run tool that was ranked as the fourth best speed tool out of college bats by Perfect Game, and he was showing power in his most recent season (25 XBH, 5 homers in 54 games). He also probably would have been playing shortstop if Newman wasn't on the same team as him. He can easily develop a little more power as he matures. He's a classic case of a guy being underrated because of his small height and low power tool.

Sounds like Levi Michael with less power. It takes more than strike zone judgement to move up the ladder.

[Boxcar]

Sounds like Levi Michael with less power. It takes more than strike zone judgement to move up the ladder.

 

Just seems like a pretty weird guy to get excited about.

[TwistedLogic]

Sounds like Levi Michael with less power. It takes more than strike zone judgement to move up the ladder.

Just seems like a pretty weird guy to get excited about.

 

That's Dustin Pedroia's pre-draft scouting report, morons.

[Angrioter]

Sounds like Levi Michael with less power. It takes more than strike zone judgement to move up the ladder.

 

Just seems like a pretty weird guy to get excited about.

Poor class this year. Good news because we don't have a big money-picks this year.

[NorthOf49]

That's Dustin Pedroia's pre-draft scouting report, morons.

So every undersized college second baseman from the state of Arizona is going to become Pedroia or Kipnis?

[baubau]

I know I could google this, but f*** it you guys are better. Our pick this year isn't protected right? So we can't put it a'la Bickford 2013?

[Boxcar]

So every undersized college second baseman from the state of Arizona is going to become Pedroia or Kipnis?

 

duh

[King]

I know I could google this, but f*** it you guys are better. Our pick this year isn't protected right? So we can't put it a'la Bickford 2013?

 

Thats only for picks in the top 10 i believe

[TwistedLogic]

So every undersized college second baseman from the state of Arizona is going to become Pedroia or Kipnis?

 

That's not what I said though, is it? You proved my point by quoting the Pedroia report and saying he looks like Levi Michaels with less power, which is ironic, because you keep sarcastically asking if I'm a scout. Guys like Kingery have always been underrated by scouts and they will continue to be. He has a great feel for hitting, he has good discipline, he has a great speed tool, and he's shown that he can hit for power when he wants to (he's shown more power each season since 2013). He's even shown great makeup, for people that care about that, by clawing his way up from being a walk-on that nobody looked at in high school, to being a consensus top-40 prospect. He's a great late-1st/early-2nd round candidate in this draft.

[TwistedLogic]

I know I could google this, but f*** it you guys are better. Our pick this year isn't protected right? So we can't put it a'la Bickford 2013?

 

It is. Every pick in the first round is protected in the sense that if you don't sign the guy, you'll get a compensation pick in the following draft (and the one after that as well, if you fail to sign your pick again). I'm fairly certain that protection also extends to the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The top-10 pick protection that King is referring to is only to protect your picks in the event that you sign a Type-A free agent.

 

In other words, yes, if the Jays wanted to theoretically punt their pick (they won't), they would receive a compensation pick in 2016.

[metafour]

That's Dustin Pedroia's pre-draft scouting report, morons.

 

Pedroia was smashing doubles left and right in his college days (a big predictor of future hitting ability). His plate disciplined was also elite and much better than Kingery's (48 walks, 15 strikeouts his final season). If you look at his MLB success; extra base hits and his walk/strikeout rate are basically what make him an elite hitter.

 

Yes, Pedroia's size clouded scouts away from his elite hitting ability. While Kingery has shown to be a good hitter, his college performance is really nowhere near Pedroia's. He doesn't come close in power (Pedroia also hit 9 HRs his final season), and he doesn't come close in plate discipline.

[NorthOf49]

Thats only for picks in the top 10 i believe

There are two definitions of 'protected' that get thrown around. The Blue Jays will get an extra pick next year if they fail to sign their sandwich pick.

 

That's not what I said though, is it? You proved my point by quoting the Pedroia report and saying he looks like Levi Michaels with less power, which is ironic, because you keep sarcastically asking if I'm a scout. Guys like Kingery have always been underrated by scouts and they will continue to be. He has a great feel for hitting, he has good discipline, he has a great speed tool, and he's shown that he can hit for power when he wants to (he's shown more power each season since 2013). He's even shown great makeup, for people that care about that, by clawing his way up from being a walk-on that nobody looked at in high school, to being a consensus top-40 prospect. He's a great late-1st/early-2nd round candidate in this draft.

How do you know that he has a great feel for hitting, good plate discipline, etc. though? It seems like you're regurgitating content from other internet scouting reports and mock drafts. And the people who wrote those think Scott Kingery would be an okay pick in the late 20s but not a steal. I'm wary of people who don't have new information yet offer dissenting opinions.

[metafour]

The top 3 rounds are all protected for two years.

[Boxcar]

How do you know that he has a great feel for hitting, good plate discipline, etc. though? It seems like you're regurgitating content from other internet scouting reports and mock drafts. And the people who wrote those think Scott Kingery would be an okay pick in the late 20s but not a steal. I'm wary of people who don't have new information yet offer dissenting opinions.

 

Shut your stupid face and pray the Jays pick Dustin Pedroia Jr.

[metafour]

Kiley McDaniel final mock:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-final-mock-draft/

 

29. Blue Jays – Josh Naylor, 1B, St. Joan of Arc HS (CAN)

 

Naylor has tons of helium after a scorching spring and may not get to this pick, but the Jays love taking Canadian players and he belongs here. Brady Singer, Richie Martin and Eric Jenkins also fit.

[TwistedLogic]

How do you know that he has a great feel for hitting, good plate discipline, etc. though? It seems like you're regurgitating content from other internet scouting reports and mock drafts. And the people who wrote those think Scott Kingery would be an okay pick in the late 20s but not a steal. I'm wary of people who don't have new information yet offer dissenting opinions.

 

When did I ever say he was going to be a steal? The only player that I've used the word steal in reference to was when I said I thought Orimoloye could be a steal in the second round. I said Kingery was a good pick where the Jays drafted him, and nobody can really disagree with me there. Yes, I'm going off information I found on the internet (which is essentially what everbody here is doing -- do you propose that none of us discuss the draft today, since none of us are really qualified?), but I also know that prospects like Kingery have always been underrated by scouts, and I'm accounting for that.

[baubau]

It is. Every pick in the first round is protected in the sense that if you don't sign the guy, you'll get a compensation pick in the following draft (and the one after that as well, if you fail to sign your pick again). I'm fairly certain that protection also extends to the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The top-10 pick protection that King is referring to is only to protect your picks in the event that you sign a Type-A free agent.

 

In other words, yes, if the Jays wanted to theoretically punt their pick (they won't), they would receive a compensation pick in 2016.

 

There are two definitions of 'protected' that get thrown around. The Blue Jays will get an extra pick next year if they fail to sign their sandwich pick.

 

The top 3 rounds are all protected for two years.

 

Got it, thanks ladies!

King, you've failed me. SMH.

[King]

Sorry!

[Angrioter]

Shut your stupid face and pray the Jays pick Dustin Pedroia Jr.

 

Almora > Winker

[Angrioter]

Kiley McDaniel final mock:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-final-mock-draft/

 

Rowdy Tellez again?

[NorthOf49]

When did I ever say he was going to be a steal? The only player that I've used the word steal in reference to was when I said I thought Orimoloye could be a steal in the second round. I said Kingery was a good pick where the Jays drafted him, and nobody can really disagree with me there. Yes, I'm going off information I found on the internet (which is essentially what everbody here is doing -- do you propose that none of us discuss the draft today, since none of us are really qualified?), but I also know that prospects like Kingery have always been underrated by scouts, and I'm accounting for that.

The Blue Jays have the biggest scouting department and an analytics department that aggregates the information much better than the internet does with their inconsistent data. I don't know that we can take much of stance on their pick either way.

[metafour]

Rowdy Tellez again?

 

Naylor is superior. More bat speed, taps into his raw power easier.

[Boxcar]

Almora > Winker

 

Ang, you have the worst timing

[TwistedLogic]

Shut your stupid face and pray the Jays pick Dustin Pedroia Jr.

 

lmao, do you consciously try to play the role of the third wheel/cheerleader on this forum, or does it just happen by accident? It seems whenever there's a debate going on, you're rarely ever in the center of it, and more just cheering others on by dropping in redundant commentary throughout. Just over the past few weeks I can remember at least three instances where you've run out of things to add to a discussion and had to relegate to patting someone else on the back (North, Nox, Moogy), because somebody else always seems to put your point forward with more eloquence than you ever can. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you're a baseball "affectiendo", and I'm not giving you the credit you deserve.

 

Feel free to get a last word in (and then maybe get yourself a pair of pom-poms) because I'm done cluttering this thread with this garbage.

[Angrioter]

Naylor is superior. More bat speed, taps into his raw power easier.

 

One side player. I don't like that kind of guys.

[Angrioter]

Ang, you have the worst timing

 

Why?

[metafour]

McDaniels' mock also mentions that we are in on LHP Juan Hillman.