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Who is Howarth to criticize Reyes to the degree he did?

 

Reyes obviously isn't the same player he used to be, but is far from this team's biggest problem.

 

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Howarth rules. I will admit he was laying on the hate pretty hard, but Reyes is grossly overpaid and is not a very good baseball player. But I understand you roll with what you got, I am not sold on Goins as an everyday player.
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I like Howarth now more than ever. Comes in and speaks nothing but the truth, and gets chastised for it... sounds about right. I take it people prefer everything to be sugar coated, like Buck and Pat do?
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I've noticed that this board has become increasingly full of Mike Wilners. You say anything negative about this team and people s*** all over you. Are Jays fans more delusional than Leafs fans now?
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He can be painful to listen to but some of his comments were fair...if not obvious. Reyes rebuttal was pretty classy.

 

Being aggressive is one thing I like about Reyes...trying to stretch 3rd with 2 out and lumber on deck just isn't that smart.

 

But I've never been upset with Reye's personality. I like it. He actually plays pretty fired up and is showing signs of coming around at the plate now that he is healthy.

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I like Howarth now more than ever. Comes in and speaks nothing but the truth, and gets chastised for it... sounds about right. I take it people prefer everything to be sugar coated, like Buck and Pat do?

 

Agreed - outside of the smiling comment - why are people criticising Jerry for stating facts? Could someone who thinks Jerry is out of line please explain?

 

 

If Jerry comes on tomorrow and says R.A. Dickey simply isn't doing his job so far this year and he needs to make the necessary adjustments - would are we going to hate on him too? What if he says Pillar isn't a very good hitter or that EE is swinging and missing a lot more than he ever did before....

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I've noticed that this board has become increasingly full of Mike Wilners. You say anything negative about this team and people s*** all over you. Are Jays fans more delusional than Leafs fans now?

 

Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.

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Jerry Howarth has had to watch every blue jays game for the last 20+ years. Cut him some slack.

 

no s*** eh. he's sick of this crap like most of us but he's attacking the wrong person for sure.

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Agreed - outside of the smiling comment - why are people criticising Jerry for stating facts? Could someone who thinks Jerry is out of line please explain?

 

 

If Jerry comes on tomorrow and says R.A. Dickey simply isn't doing his job so far this year and he needs to make the necessary adjustments - would are we going to hate on him too? What if he says Pillar isn't a very good hitter or that EE is swinging and missing a lot more than he ever did before....

 

Because the players know when there not performing. This guy is basically riling up the fan base.

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Howarth rules. I will admit he was laying on the hate pretty hard, but Reyes is grossly overpaid and is not a very good baseball player. But I understand you roll with what you got, I am not sold on Goins as an everyday player.

 

Not true.

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I've noticed that this board has become increasingly full of Mike Wilners. You say anything negative about this team and people s*** all over you. Are Jays fans more delusional than Leafs fans now?

 

What board have you been reading?

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What board have you been reading?

 

seriously, this board is infected with trolls that type garbage like "game over, we lost" after the jays go down by a run in the 2nd inning.

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Reyes is batting .333 and has a .349 obp since coming back. He just missed a homer the other night and he's going to hit a few out and get his slugging up. He's made some mistakes, and a couple dumb ones with a couple defensive blunders mixed in but he's still a positive player for this team.
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Reyes is batting .333 and has a .349 obp since coming back. He just missed a homer the other night and he's going to hit a few out and get his slugging up. He's made some mistakes, and a couple dumb ones with a couple defensive blunders mixed in but he's still a positive player for this team.

 

You're right, he is a positive player. Howarth is also right in saying the Jays aren't in a good spot with the amount of $ they owe him for what they are bound to receive in return, performance wise. The guy can't stay healthy if his life depended on it and yes his skill set is diminishing. Blame AA and not Reyes, I get it.

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Reyes is batting .333 and has a .349 obp since coming back. He just missed a homer the other night and he's going to hit a few out and get his slugging up. He's made some mistakes, and a couple dumb ones with a couple defensive blunders mixed in but he's still a positive player for this team.

 

Thats great I'm sure he can have the same out of left field

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Jose Reyes is a decent hitter. Jose Reyes is fast. Jose Reyes is energetic. Is this enough to make him a good baseball player? In my opinion, no.

 

3.4 WAR last year, 2.2 WAR the year before that. When he's healthy, he's still a "good" player.

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Jose Reyes is a decent hitter. Jose Reyes is fast. Jose Reyes is energetic. Is this enough to make him a good baseball player? In my opinion, no.

 

Off the top of my head Reyes contributes positively offensively and with his base running. His defense is below average. You're confusing the terms elite and good.

 

Yes, Reyes is an overpaid asset going forward. That has no barring on his particular skill set here and now.

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lol the same people criticizing Howarth on here also get on Wilner for sugar coating every player's mistakes/truth...

 

Yes, calling for Ryan Goins to replace Jose Reyes permanently and complaining that Reyes smiles too much are perfectly rational points.

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3.4 WAR last year, 2.2 WAR the year before that. When he's healthy, he's still a "good" player.

 

All offensive. In fact Reyes in LF is a 4 WAR Player probably keeps him healthy too

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Yes, calling for Ryan Goins to replace Jose Reyes permanently and complaining that Reyes smiles too much are perfectly rational points.

 

Not everything he said was right, but almost all of it was. He's not saying Goins should replace him permanently, but until Travis gets back to switch him, which is completely rational, especially since Travis was just shutdown for a week, and we know how long an actual week long setback actually is. The smiling was a stupid point. Other than that he's right. He's getting old, he's s*** at shortstop, he's still a good hitter, but $46M payout in 2 years will suck to pay, which is all true.

 

I'd rather criticism from time to time than the constant blowing of Wilner

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This isn't the first time Howarth has shown signs of being off his rocker. He really should be put out to pasture before he further embarasses himself.

 

I love Howarth, but it's time, heck, I remember him in my early teens.

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