Matt Boyd or Aaron Sanchez in 5+ days?

[TRM]

Who ya got?

[GD]

Matt Boyd

[BTS]

Boyd. Francis. Hendriks. Any feasible option is better than the guy walking 7 per 9.

[TRM]

"There are absolutely no viable arguments in favour of Sanchez. Sorry." -NJH

[Laika]

Randy Wolf > Aaron Sanchez.

 

Send Sanchez to AA and don't let him back until he has a new pitch that he can consistently throw for strikes. A little cutter or something. An underhand lob. Anything.

 

Ok, maybe not an underhand lob.

 

But right now Sanchez is possibly the worst SP in baseball. Is there anyone in a rotation that projects worse than him?

[Daniel Labude]

Sanchez

[BTS]

It's unbelievable that this has been allowed to go as far as it has. You can't have a starter this bad in your rotation. He's walking 7/9, and projections think he's going to maintain a rate over 5. He has a below-average K-rate. His continued presence on this team is bordering on unprofessional.

[TRM]

Sanchez

 

u f***in wot m8?!

[King]

Who should start or who will start? Boyd should, Sanchez will.

[tercet]

Sorry not Boyd, he probably wont do much better imo.

 

I say Shaun Marcum or Felix Doubront will be given a start for the Jays by Mid June.. (sadly the Jays will wait this long)

[jaysfan2014]

Pointless thread. It'll be Aaron Sanchez on the next start.

[Daniel Labude]

u f***in wot m8?!

 

Don't know what this means, but I don't have the energy to argue this again. Willing to discuss it if others are though

[tercet]

Boyd trained a bunch with Kyle/driveline base(someone I've known from poker for maybe 10 yrs), and he has improved his fastball. But I just don't think hes much more then a LH version that is a bit worse then Hendriks.

[RealAccountant]

And Pete walker still has a job

[BTS]

And Pete walker still has a job

 

It's not Pete Walker's fault that the pitching staff sucks.

[TheHurl]

He has the same ERA as 3 time Cy winner Clayton Kershaw...you cannot quit on him.

 

True story I ran into an FO executive from the Rays tonight and two them bet at the start of the season whether or not Sanchez would have more walks than K's this season. Good to know other front offices know nothing

[baubau]

From what I've seen of Russel Martin throwing guys out, he is more likely to find the strike zone than Sanchez.

[Olerud363]

It's unbelievable that this has been allowed to go as far as it has. You can't have a starter this bad in your rotation. He's walking 7/9, and projections think he's going to maintain a rate over 5. He has a below-average K-rate. His continued presence on this team is bordering on unprofessional.

 

I was trying to figure out why I like Sanchez a bit more than the rest of you.... I think it is this.

 

If Sanchez is sent down that will be 4/6 rooks gone down. I'm not entirely sure how stupid the Jays front office is... I don't know if Cito Gaston still has a voice. However if 4/6 rooks go down, and somehow Beeston is allowed to choose his replacement.

 

Then the Jays will hate young players for the next 15 years.

 

Stupid Beeston Replacement (talking with his 83 year old consultants, original Beeston and Cito) - So, we've toyed around with giving some young players a chance...

 

80something year old Beeston - I don't like the sounds of that

 

80something year old Cito - they gave me this kid 'Green' once, way back in the last century... we won 50 games... then there was the debacle of 2015, never seen anything like it, those youngster are nothin' but trouble.

[Spanky99]

Who ya got?

 

Boyd, but I doubt it happens till the 2nd week in June.

 

It seems the Jays are stretching Hendriks out, so likely him with Sanchez moving back into the pen.

[glory]

Doubront started in AAA last night. Not a coincidence he started the same night as Sanchez. Only a matter of time now.

[Spanky99]

Hendricks is doing a fine job in the pen, with a bump in velocity. He's shown that this is a better role for him. Why try to make him a starter again. Leave him alone.

 

Sanchez will keep starting for a bit longer I think. Not saying he deserves it...but I think he is more likely to be a ML starter than Hendricks is.

 

Okay, tell AA, not me...

[BigCecil]

Boyd, but I doubt it happens till the 2nd week in June.

 

It seems the Jays are stretching Hendriks out, so likely him with Sanchez moving back into the pen.

 

Good move to put him back in the pen where he had some success in a small sample size.

 

The debate this off season was that they wanted that plus arm to get more IP as a starter rather than waste him as a reliever.

 

Some people expected the minor league command issues to magically evaporate. I didn't. Try him back in the pen and if he cant make it he can go back to BUFF.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Randy Wolf > Aaron Sanchez.

 

Send Sanchez to AA and don't let him back until he has a new pitch that he can consistently throw for strikes. A little cutter or something. An underhand lob. Anything.

 

Ok, maybe not an underhand lob.

 

But right now Sanchez is possibly the worst SP in baseball. Is there anyone in a rotation that projects worse than him?

 

I agree. Wolf has been very good over his career and he is pitching well on the farm. I am ok sending Sanchez down for a while.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

If Sanchez walks 5+ more guys in his next start and gives up runs, I honestly think he'll finally get sent down. I think Doubront and Norris are ahead of Boyd on the totem pole though.

 

I forgot about Doubront. He's a totally serviceable starter.

 

Said the Jays fan seconds before realizing the season is probably done.

[baubau]

If Sanchez walks 5+ more guys in his next start and gives up runs, I honestly think he'll finally get sent down. I think Doubront and Norris are ahead of Boyd on the totem pole though.

 

Its highly unlikely Sanchez gets sent down before visiting the pen. He may be moved there for a while and Francsis sent down.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Shanchez will most likely start next and still a Fifth starter who wins Half his starts is not really a bad thing! Warts and all most years that better then we have gotten from this team, we'd be happy too!

 

If he is moved at all he should not go to the pen, Buffalo and next man up!

[Mikeleelop]

and being sent to AAA or AA should not be viewed as a total failure

 

it is a step on the career path that many good/great SP have taken before. In the long run he may turn out to be a power arm at the back end of the bullpen. we have Norris, Stroman and Hoffman in the mix for 2016 so having Sanchez in the pen may be a good thing. Castro, Osuna right now are bullpen arms - but Osuna seems to have the command/stuff that he could be a SP long term

[JaysFan75]

Pitchers are so volatile that I wouldn't think about Sanchez being crowded out in the future. The Blue Jays should probably acquire two new pitchers for 2016 and have Hoffman, Norris, Sanchez, Osuna and Boyd fight over one spot.

 

A little to early to tell. Norris could definitely cement his spot by the end of this season, or even one of the others.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Getting two for next year just replaces the two we have buehrle retires and dickey and his trained monkey need to be shown the door as well!!!

[baubau]

A little to early to tell. Norris could definitely cement his spot by the end of this season, or even one of the others.

 

I agree with N049 on that. Next year you are looking at a rotation mixed up of:

 

Stroman

Hutch

Norris

Hoffman

Osuna

Sanchez (he'll get another change... weather we like it or not..)

 

I want these guys to succeed as much as the next Jays fan but you need to have better depth to protect/develop the pitchers. Dickey and Burly are more than likely gone freeing about $30M in cap. You could find a decent pitcher or two with that for depth in the market this offseason. Obviously not a Price or Cueto but a Gallardo, Chen or see if Martin can convince Brunette to come here.