Roberto Osuna or Noah Syndergaard in 5+ years?

[Trouba95]

Who ya got?

[Daniel Labude]

Osuna as long as he continues to develop the offspeed pitches.

[Laika]

There are absolutely no viable arguments in favour of Osuna. Sorry.

[BTS]

Dumn poll. Syndergaard.

[Trouba95]

How about Hoff vs Synder?

[Captain Adama]

How about Hoff vs Synder?

 

Nope.

[Daniel Labude]

How about Hoff vs Synder?

Hoffman right now:cool:

[BTS]

How about Hoff vs Synder?

 

Stop.

[Jimcanuck]

How about Hoff vs Synder?

 

theres really no point

 

Krylian has the correct answer "who the f*** knows"

[baubau]

How about Hoff vs Synder?

 

The only pitcher that is close to challenging Synder right now in our system is Norris, and even then I take Synder.

[King]

Osuna as long as he continues to develop the offspeed pitches.

 

Hoffman right now:cool:

 

lol

[Captain Adama]

Hoffman right now:cool:

 

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/46168/george-carlin-o.gif

[Laika]

How about Hoff vs Synder?

 

In terms of raw stuff and potential, Syndergaard and Hoffman are pretty much the same. Ideal frames, elite pitches. But Syndergaard is more mature, big league ready, and not coming back from injury, so...

[metafour]

In terms of raw stuff and potential, Syndergaard and Hoffman are pretty much the same. Ideal frames, elite pitches. But Syndergaard is more mature, big league ready, and not coming back from injury, so...

 

Wrong. Hoffman has MUCH better off-speed stuff.

[Laika]

Hoffman has a superior breaking ball...and I believe is changeup is better as well.

 

1. Noah Syndergaard

Position: RHP

DOB: 08/29/1992

Height/Weight: 6’6” 240 lbs

Bats/Throws: L/R

Drafted/Acquired: 1st round, 2010 draft, Legacy HS (Mansfield, TX)

Previous Ranking: #1 (Org), #11 (Top 101)

2014 Stats: 4.60 ERA (133 IP, 154 H, 145 K, 43 BB) at Triple-A Las Vegas

The Tools: 8 FB; 6+ potential CH; 7 potential CB

 

What Happened in 2014: Syndergaard proved to be mortal in Triple-A, giving up 154 hits in 133 innings, but still fanned more than a batter an inning.

 

Strengths: Excellent size; uses frame to advantage; downhill thrower; elite fastball; routinely works mid-to-high 90s, with arm-side life; can overpower with offering; strong feel for curve; throws with a loose wrist; stays on top of pitch to create deep, downward break; already a mature piece of arsenal (present plus); will miss bats at highest level; change shows guise to fastball; throws with similar arm speed and angle; fades arm side aggressively; room for more growth; very athletic for size; projection for command improvement.

 

Weaknesses: Command presently more of the area variety; needs to throw quality strikes more often; falls into ruts of working elevated and in challenge mode; still learning the ins and outs of craft; at times wraps with curveball and will roll; change can be on the firm side and lack enough separation

 

Overall Future Potential: 7; no. 2 starter

 

Realistic Role: High 6; no. 2/3 starter

 

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4. Jeff Hoffman

Position: RHP

DOB: 01/08/1993

Height/Weight: 6’4” 185 lbs

Bats/Throws: R/R

Drafted/Acquired: 1st round, 2014 draft, East Carolina University (Greenville, NC)

Previous Ranking: NA

2014 Stats: Did Not Play (Tommy John Surgery)

The Tools: 7 potential FB; 6+ potential CH; 6 potential CB

 

What Happened in 2014: The power arm was cruising through the college season and pushing for a definitive chance at being selected first overall. But then the dreaded Tommy John struck and dropped him into Toronto’s lap at 9th overall.

 

Strengths: Very athletic; loose arm and delivery; explosive fastball at 93-96; touches higher when needs it; can throw past hitters or pound the zone; turns over good changeup; true bat-missing ability; shows arm-side fade with quality tumbling action; high amount of confidence in offering; snaps breaking ball with loose wrist; shows power break in upper-velocity band (78-82); will vary shape; can throw for strikes; aggressive on the mound; projects a high amount of confidence in stuff; plus future command profile.

 

Weaknesses: Command presently plays down; lot of limbs and body to control; can stand to add strength to maintain stuff over long season; fastball can be on the straight side; present mentality to work in dangerous areas with offering; breaking ball can get slurvy and soft; will cast; gets predicable with change; heavily throws to arm side; needs to focus more on hitting all four quadrants with arsenal in general; developmental delay due to injury.

 

Overall Future Potential: 7; no. 2 starter

 

Realistic Role: High 5; no. 3/4 starter

[Laika]

Wrong. Hoffman has MUCH better off-speed stuff.

 

I take it you saw that .gif from yesterday. Nice.

[Laika]

Kiley McDaniel (Fangraphs)

 

Syndergaard

Fastball: 65/70, Curveball: 55/60, Changeup: 50/55, Command: 45/50+

 

Hoffman

Fastball: 60/70, Curveball: 55/65, Changeup: 50/55, Command: 40/50+

[metafour]

LMFAO @ those reports.

 

Syndergaard has a potential 70 curveball now? The guy who could barely spin a passable breaking ball two years ago?

 

Yeah, I totally saw that Hoffman GIF from yesterday bro and thats what I'm basing my opinion on.

[metafour]

Kiley McDaniel (Fangraphs)

 

Syndergaard

Fastball: 65/70, Curveball: 55/60, Changeup: 50/55, Command: 45/50+

 

Hoffman

Fastball: 60/70, Curveball: 55/65, Changeup: 50/55, Command: 40/50+

 

Hoffman hasn't even made a pro pitch yet, and his "grades" right now are affected by it.

 

Watch, once he actually starts dominating against professional hitters those numerical grades will all shoot up in next year's installment of rankings. Just like Syndergaard's pitch grades have all risen as he has proven himself.

 

Hoffman easily has the better breaking ball.

[Laika]

lol

 

this place, honestly...

[Laika]

Hoffman hasn't even made a pro pitch yet, and his "grades" right now are affected by it.

 

Watch, once he actually starts dominating against professional hitters those numerical grades will all shoot up in next year's installment of rankings. Just like Syndergaard's pitch grades have all risen as he has proven himself.

 

Hoffman easily has the better breaking ball.

 

looking forward to having an 80/70/70 super-Ace in the pipeline

[Captain Adama]

LMFAO @ those reports.

 

Syndergaard has a potential 70 curveball now? The guy who could barely spin a passable breaking ball two years ago?

 

Yeah, I totally saw that Hoffman GIF from yesterday bro and thats what I'm basing my opinion on.

 

Lol

[KingKat]

So if the Mets call and say we'll trade you Syndergaard back for Hoffman you would do it?

 

That's a no brainer. The opportunity to throw Synder in the rotation immediately justifies giving up Hoffman.

[metafour]

Lol

 

The second part was sarcasm genius, because that was what NJH was implying: that I saw the Hoffman GIF and that was how I supposedly made my analysis.

 

Hoffman has thrown a better breaking ball throughout their individual developmental paths. That will continue once he starts pitching professionally.

[Orgfiller]

The second part was sarcasm genius, because that was what NJH was implying: that I saw the Hoffman GIF and that was how I supposedly made my analysis.

 

Hoffman has thrown a better breaking ball throughout their individual developmental paths. That will continue once he starts pitching professionally.

 

What individual developmental path? Hoffman is just now back from f***ing surgery on his pitching arm. Meanwhile Syndergaard has dominated the minor leagues since being drafted 5 years ago.

[Laika]

So if the Mets call and say we'll trade you Syndergaard back for Hoffman you would do it?

 

I would click accept and order a Blue Jays Syndergaard shirsey faster than you can say "I'm a bike".

[NorthOf49]

The second part was sarcasm genius, because that was what NJH was implying: that I saw the Hoffman GIF and that was how I supposedly made my analysis.

 

Hoffman has thrown a better breaking ball throughout their individual developmental paths. That will continue once he starts pitching professionally.

How many times have you seen Hoffman pitch?

[Orgfiller]

How many times have you seen Hoffman pitch?

 

Bro, there was a very detailed .gif posted yesterday. What else do you need to see in order to call someone the best pitcher in baseball?

[BTS]

So if the Mets call and say we'll trade you Syndergaard back for Hoffman you would do it?

 

Of course. Long-term aside, it could be the difference between playoffs and no playoffs this year.

[Caper]

Of course. Long-term aside, it could be the difference between playoffs and no playoffs this year.

 

There is a chance, come August, Hoffman is in the majors and contributing more then Syndergaard. Long term has a chance to come sooner then you think.