GDT(4/4): Tampa Bay Rays @ Your Toronto Blue Jays - Archer vs. Sanchez - 7:07 PM ET

[bronson44]

I have officially changed my stance on managers. They do matter.

 

Jays down by 3. They have 2 runners on with 2 out and the tying run at the plate. Justin Smoak is up. Jays need a 3 run HR badly and Smoak has power. So what does Sling Blade do? Remove Smoak for Navarro. Against a righty. Navarro can't hit righties. Then in the 9th inning, instead of having Navarro ready to pinch hit for Goins, all he has is Tolleson (who can't hit righties) so Goins has to bat for himself.

 

Gibbons has been holding this team back for 10 years. Gaston and Farrell barely had a cup of coffee here. It's been practically 70% of Gibbons for a f***in decade. No wonder this team is trash despite having a good roster.

 

I like Gibby but that was a dumn move

[Frenchsoup]

I have officially changed my stance on managers. They do matter.

 

Jays down by 3. They have 2 runners on with 2 out and the tying run at the plate. Justin Smoak is up. Jays need a 3 run HR badly and Smoak has power. So what does Sling Blade do? Remove Smoak for Navarro. Against a righty. Navarro can't hit righties. Then in the 9th inning, instead of having Navarro ready to pinch hit for Goins, all he has is Tolleson (who can't hit righties) so Goins has to bat for himself.

 

Gibbons has been holding this team back for 10 years. Gaston and Farrell barely had a cup of coffee here. It's been practically 70% of Gibbons for a f***in decade. No wonder this team is trash despite having a good roster.

 

Yeah that was a bad move for sure. The only problem I have with getting rid of Gibbons is I wouldn't know who to replace him with. There are like 4 top dog managers Showalter, Bochy, Scosia and Girardi. The rest are replacement or absolutely terrible. Just another point, Cash got really lucky last night he left Geltz in way to long and probably should have just put in Jepsen to start the inning.

[glory]

Yeah that was a bad move for sure. The only problem I have with getting rid of Gibbons is I wouldn't know who to replace him with. There are like 4 top dog managers Showalter, Bochy, Scosia and Girardi. The rest are replacement or absolutely terrible. Just another point, Cash got really lucky last night he left Geltz in way to long and probably should have just put in Jepsen to start the inning.

 

Hale is on the bench. Give him a try. Anyone is better than Gibbons.

[Angrioter]

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[Horses Fart]

I have officially changed my stance on managers. They do matter.

 

Jays down by 3. They have 2 runners on with 2 out and the tying run at the plate. Justin Smoak is up. Jays need a 3 run HR badly and Smoak has power. So what does Sling Blade do? Remove Smoak for Navarro. Against a righty. Navarro can't hit righties. Then in the 9th inning, instead of having Navarro ready to pinch hit for Goins, all he has is Tolleson (who can't hit righties) so Goins has to bat for himself.

 

Gibbons has been holding this team back for 10 years. Gaston and Farrell barely had a cup of coffee here. It's been practically 70% of Gibbons for a f***in decade. No wonder this team is trash despite having a good roster.

Sling Blade. Bahaha!

[S33n]

I don't even know what you're going on about. Smoak can't hit righties. Navarro in the last 3 years has faired basically the same vs righties. Nothing wrong with this move. Nobody can see into the future.

 

The game is on the players. Gibbons does a fantastic job.

 

Pinch hitting for Smoak and then having nobody to hit for Goins was not "a fantastic job". You're right about the game being on the players though, they put themselves in that position in the first place. This team needs to find some kind of consistency at the plate.

[BTS]

Yeah that was a bad move for sure. The only problem I have with getting rid of Gibbons is I wouldn't know who to replace him with. There are like 4 top dog managers Showalter, Bochy, Scosia and Girardi. The rest are replacement or absolutely terrible. Just another point, Cash got really lucky last night he left Geltz in way to long and probably should have just put in Jepsen to start the inning.

 

Geltz should never have been in that game with Jepsen and Boxberger available. I get that he wanted to give one of them a day off, but you're on the road in a close game against a top tier offense. Worry about tomorrow tomorrow.

[o2cui2i]

Do the Jays need to find a way to play "small ball" vs tough pitching?

 

the big bats need to learn how to deal with outside pitching. until they show they can they will be getting a steady diet of that s***. teams are smart and the better pitchers will exploit the weakness until the hitter show they can deal with it.

[Governator]

the big bats need to learn how to deal with outside pitching. until they show they can they will be getting a steady diet of that s***. teams are smart and the better pitchers will exploit the weakness until the hitter show they can deal with it.

 

Yea pretty much this. Everyone knows aggressive power hitters that pull the ball don't make in-game adjustments, that's why managers are even comfortable giving up one whole side of the infield on them. A year ago Bautista recognized this and spent the better part of 2 months hitting the other way, while EE got pitches to hit at with runners on base. Pitchers aren't even worried about those 2 at the moment, Donaldson is coming around though.

[o2cui2i]

Yea pretty much this. Everyone knows aggressive power hitters that pull the ball don't make in-game adjustments, that's why managers are even comfortable giving up one whole side of the infield on them. A year ago Bautista recognized this and spent the better part of 2 months hitting the other way, while EE got pitches to hit at with runners on base. Pitchers aren't even worried about those 2 at the moment, Donaldson is coming around though.

 

need to get a little closer to the plate early in the count and look outside half of the plate and drive it the other way. it wont take many kits to change what teams are doing

[Angrioter]

Navarro 5th spot and DH lol

[reedjohnsonfan]

Excellent lineup. Travis leadoff is a good call.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Navarro 5th spot and DH lol

 

Well you have to work with what you have...

[BTS]

Poor Smoak.

[KingKat]

Poor Smoak.

 

The team's overall comfort level with Navarro as a nearly full time DH is disconcerting.

[Laika]

Smoak 1B EE DH. Navarro hitting ahead of Martin is also pretty indefensible.

 

gotta break up those righties!

[reedjohnsonfan]

Smoak 1B EE DH. Navarro hitting ahead of Martin is also pretty indefensible.

 

Neither player is very good, Smoak played yesterday and didn't he bobble a ball? Also Martin's looked completely terrible at the plate, put him lower until he puts together some good ABs IMO.

[Daniel Labude]

The team's overall comfort level with Navarro as a nearly full time DH is disconcerting.

 

Should change when Saunders is back

[baubau]

I really think it's just Gibby.

 

I agree. I thought Gibby was just trying to up Navarro's value when he said he was the best pure hitter. Now I think he actually believes it. I usually defend Gibby but this one I don't think anyone could or should defend him on.

 

Should change when Saunders is back

 

Saunders DH while Pillar is still in LF?

[baubau]

Neither player is very good, Smoak played yesterday and didn't he bobble a ball? Also Martin's looked completely terrible at the plate, put him lower until he puts together some good ABs IMO.

 

It was a bad throw by Travis as he was pretty much taken out at 2nd. Not many, if at all any, 1st basemen could catch that.

Besides, what looks more appealing on the lineup to you,

 

Player A: .200 BA, 35 wRC+, .250 OBP, 8.3% BB

Player B: .222 BA, 90 wRC+, .364 OBP, 18.2% BB

 

(SSS for both players right now I know, but one is clearly better..)

[NorthOf49]

[reedjohnsonfan]

It was a bad throw by Travis as he was pretty much taken out at 2nd. Not many, if at all any, 1st basemen could catch that.

Besides, what looks more appealing on the lineup to you,

 

Player A: .200 BA, 35 wRC+, .250 OBP, 8.3% BB

Player B: .222 BA, 90 wRC+, .364 OBP, 18.2% BB

 

(SSS for both players right now I know, but one is clearly better..)

 

Noted on the Travis throw, I didn't fully remember so that's fair enough.

 

Yeah the actual stats you cited don't mean anything, it's more about how their at bats have been so far and Smoak hasn't been noticeably better. Given that he was terrible last year, I don't think you can just gift him everyday ABs against RHP.

[baubau]

Noted on the Travis throw, I didn't fully remember so that's fair enough.

 

No worries! I can't recall many mistakes Smoak has made at 1st. Think there was a ball that got underneath his glove in the Orioles series on the 9th. Can't recall 100% but that is the only hiccup I can remember on his part.

 

Yeah the actual stats you cited don't mean anything

 

Sure they do.

 

it's more about how their at bats have been so far and Smoak hasn't been noticeably better.

 

Yes he has.

 

Given that he was terrible last year, I don't think you can just gift him everyday ABs against RHP.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this end bud. We'll just have to see how things go.

[Daniel Labude]

 

 

 

Saunders DH while Pillar is still in LF?

 

Most likely, especially for the first week or so. Maybe with an occasional day off for an outfielder

[Captain Adama]

 

I remember that old Mike Wilner account on this forum, he posted s*** like "the Jays are 6-0 on Jewish holidays."

 

He was awesome.

[glory]

I'm glad people are coming around on Gibby. I felt so alone in my hatred for the hick who never deserved a big league managing gig in the first place (much less two of them). The sooner he is fired, the sooner this team can gel. Hopefully Alex doesn't wait too long.

[King]

Braves offense looks atrocious