Osuna made the team

[glory]

God has hated the Blue Jays for 22 years (and counting), so Osuna making the team makes sense now.

 

Thanks, God.

[BTS]

And who are they?

 

West/Lopez/Guilmet are probably at least as good right now.

[saskjayfan]

Except then he optioned 3 likely better relievers in favor of Castro and Osuna

 

really...which of these pitchers had a better fastball or changeup than Castro? Castro is a stud. He is going to be dominant this year because he's that good.

[o2cui2i]

really...which of these pitchers had a better fastball or changeup than Castro? Castro is a stud. He is going to be dominant this year because he's that good.

 

Castro could be a lights out closer if Cecil doesn't do his job

[BTS]

really...which of these pitchers had a better fastball or changeup than Castro? Castro is a stud. He is going to be dominant this year because he's that good.

 

I don't understand how anyone can be so assured that he's going to dominate this year. He didn't even dominate A-ball last year and he's going to step into the majors and dominate this year? I mean, he could. His stuff is good. But objectively that's pretty unlikely.

[Gorlak]

I don't understand how anyone can be so assured that he's going to dominate this year. He didn't even dominate A-ball last year and he's going to step into the majors and dominate this year? I mean, he could. His stuff is good. But objectively that's pretty unlikely.

 

It's easier to be a reliever, that's the only reason.

[saskjayfan]

I don't understand how anyone can be so assured that he's going to dominate this year. He didn't even dominate A-ball last year and he's going to step into the majors and dominate this year? I mean, he could. His stuff is good. But objectively that's pretty unlikely.

 

I don't need to see him dominate AA and AAA. I have 2 eyes. Russell Martin says he's ready. The coaching staff says he's ready. Some guys are just that good. Objectively the collective opinions of the Jays and the way Longoria struck out and stared out to the mound and thought to himself who the hell is that is more than enough for me to say he's going to be dominant this year. This is a message board. That's my opinion.

[BTS]

Have you watched any ball this spring?

 

Yes. I don't trust professional scouts to watch a guy and determine whether or not he'll be a quality major leaguer, so I regard my own scouting opinion to be complete garbage.

[GD]

West/Lopez/Guilmet are probably at least as good right now.

 

Oh, also Delabar. There's obvious potential there.

[BTS]

If you think West, Guilmet and Lopez have out pitched Osuna and Castro, this spring, then I agree, garbage.

 

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[BTS]

Oh, also Delabar. There's obvious potential there.

 

Yeah, him too lol.

[glory]

Pretty sure they never even got a chance to.

 

According to baseball-reference, West got a whole 2.1 innings and Guilmet got a gargantuan 3 innings of work this spring. That's more than enough sample size. They blew it.

[GD]

According to baseball-reference, West got a whole 2.1 innings and Guilmet got a gargantuan 3 innings of work this spring. That's more than enough sample size. They blew it.

 

Thank goodness we have such talented pro scouts to be able to tell us that.

[saskjayfan]

Oh, also Delabar. There's obvious potential there.

 

I feel bad for Delabar, because he belongs on a major league roster.

[KingKat]

Pretty sure they never even got a chance to.

 

West 2.1 IP

Guilmet 3 IP

Lopez 5.1 IP

Delabar 7 IP

Castro 11 IP

Osuna 11 IP

 

West and Guilmet looked really good but they were cut off at the knees. They weren't given the opportunity that Castro and Osuna were. They definitely weren't beaten for the job.

[saskjayfan]

Yes. I don't trust professional scouts to watch a guy and determine whether or not he'll be a quality major leaguer, so I regard my own scouting opinion to be complete garbage.

 

why don't you give us your expert analysis on Castro. What don't you like about him and what makes you think he belongs in the minors?

[BTS]

why don't you give us your expert analysis on Castro. What don't you like about him and what makes you think he belongs in the minors?

 

You're the worst.

[jays4life19]

Castro is good. He's only 20 though. He has lots of time to become even better, so why have another team have his age 27 and 28 seasons when we could?

 

I agree with this. However if you're a GM and you know it's playoffs or bust for your job you might roll the dice with him when maybe normally you wouldn't.

[GD]

why don't you give us your expert analysis on Castro. What don't you like about him and what makes you think he belongs in the minors?

 

If management had optioned him, I assume you'd be fully behind that decision

[BTS]

I agree with this. However if you're a GM and you know it's playoffs or bust for your job you might roll the dice with him when maybe normally you wouldn't.

 

Why not wait until the situation necessitates it though? Even when you're trying to win, you can't just fly off the handle and abandon all reason. We know, objectively, that Castro is very unlikely to be more than a few runs better than Guilmet/Lopez/Delabar/West this year, if he's better at all. Why not try to get through the season without using him, given the low potential reward? If at midseason he's tearing through NH and you need a pen arm, sure, give him a call. But choosing him now, with an 8-man pen, when you've cut a bunch of other arms that are probably as good in 2015, seems silly.

[jays4life19]

Why not wait until the situation necessitates it though? Even when you're trying to win, you can't just fly off the handle and abandon all reason. We know, objectively, that Castro is very unlikely to be more than a few runs better than Guilmet/Lopez/Delabar/West this year, if he's better at all. Why not try to get through the season without using him, given the low potential reward? If at midseason he's tearing through NH and you need a pen arm, sure, give him a call. But choosing him now, with an 8-man pen, when you've cut a bunch of other arms that are probably as good in 2015, seems silly.

 

I agree. There's really no reason not to at least start Castro in the minors for a few weeks. I can just sort of understand where AA is coming from since it's pretty clear he's going to lose his job without a playoff birth (I think he still loses his job with a wildcard loss). But all your points are valid...Castro should be in the minors until May at the earliest and having both Castro/Osuna start the season in the bigs is dumb.

[theblujay]

Ok Im pretty sure we all agree there were better options for the pen then the two 20 years old based on service time, experience, starter vs. reliever...ect. But that doesn't mean we can't be optimistic about their performance this year in the pen. MY OPINION is that both will have good years in the pen and are good enough to succeed as relievers.

[saskjayfan]

If management had optioned him, I assume you'd be fully behind that decision

 

I would have understood the decision, but I still would have thought that he's a stud and can do well at this level. I think from a service time decision he should have been optioned and brought up early on in the season. I just don't go out of my way to disagree with every decision the team makes. I certainly don't think I have a better understanding the game than the coaching and administrative staff of the Jays. I don't agree with every decision they make either. I think many of the decisions made are a direct result of AA having one year left on his contract.

[John_Havok]

This is kinda dumb... why stunt a promising starter's growth and development by fast tracking him as a pen arm....

 

This doesn't make sense.

 

Methinks i'll be writing a breaking blue article about this

[saskjayfan]

This is kinda dumb... why stunt a promising starter's growth and development by fast tracking him as a pen arm....

 

This doesn't make sense.

 

Methinks i'll be writing a breaking blue article about this

 

make sure you include a reference to adam wainwright and how his 75 innings out of the pen ruined his career as a starter! The decisions made have been ultra aggressive, but that's because AA is going out swinging. This is going to be a fun year.

[BTS]

They got the same chance everyone else got. The powers that be decided on Castro and Osuna despite a lot of things they had going against them.

 

You guy's can pretend to know more than them, you might even be right sometimes, but without all the facts, and information,that the actual front office has at there desposal, you guys second guessing them seems........arrogant at best.

 

I'm not sure what it is you think we should be discussing on this forum dedicated to Toronto Blue Jays discussion.

 

Thread - Osuna made the team

1st response = "I sure hope he does well."

/thread

[BTS]

make sure you include a reference to adam wainwright and how his 75 innings out of the pen ruined his career as a starter! The decisions made have been ultra aggressive, but that's because AA is going out swinging. This is going to be a fun year.

 

You brought Wainwright up last week and you were told by multiple people that the two situations aren't similar at all. Of course you're here making the comparison again.

[John_Havok]

They got the same chance everyone else got. The powers that be decided on Castro and Osuna despite a lot of things they had going against them.

 

You guy's can pretend to know more than them, you might even be right sometimes, but without all the facts, and information,that the actual front office has at there desposal, you guys second guessing them seems........arrogant at best.

 

They've cut off 2 promising young starter's development by sticking them in the pen which is a position on a major league team that makes the least amount of difference in winning and losing in the big picture.

 

this is a short term solution that MAY be better, but is all but guaranteed to harm their long term development.

[ElNik2013]

Don't agree at all with Osuna (and/or Castro) making the team and it makes me lose some respect for AA and Gibbons as I think they're trying to save their jobs (esp. AA).

 

Maybe ownership should've given AA a 1 year extension, it's not like he makes that much money.

 

 

We'll see what happens.

[saskjayfan]

You brought Wainwright up last week and you were told by multiple times that the two situations aren't similar at all. Of course you're here making the comparison again.

 

wainwright was older. I get it, but Castro shouldn't be penalized because he's younger and exhibiting quality at such a young age. Wainwright pitched less than 80 innings as an 18 year old and pitched 164.2 innings as a 19 year old. Castro and Osuna can both be transitioned to starters next year. Just because you told me something, doesn't mean I agreed with you before or should now..lol.

 

It's seems like a sin to you guys that the Jays are trying to win this year. Shame on them. It's been over 20 years....we can be patient.lol.

 

I just opened a fantastic shiraz cab blend. It's a 2011...a little tight. It certainly will be marginally better in a few years, but it's so good right now, why would I wait? Same thing with Castro.