Rotation and Bullpen Post Stroman Injury

[Daniel Labude]

Miguel Castro

 

1st Inning - GB and 2 K's

2nd inning - 2 GB

 

 

FAP FAP FAP

 

Almost certain to make the Majors to start the season if he keeps pitching like that.

 

Is his future in the bullpen for sure or still possibly a starter?

[Sammy225]

And Jenkins comes in and shits....

[Angrioter]

Jenkins is s*** lol

[Sammy225]

Should be a starter.

 

So he is exactly like Chapman......

[Angrioter]

Should be a starter.

 

Imposibru

 

Alex want him in the bullpen.

[Daniel Labude]

This kind of thinking is extremely short sighted and ignoring what's best in the long-term to chase a longshot is tomfoolery. The reality is - a lot of the young pitchers they have aren't ready to perform in the Majors sir.

 

This kind of thinking puts teams on a 20 year plan. We are done with that ********. If the player is ready they play. Most do need time in AAA...OTHERS DONT. We are done prospect hoarding as an organization. AA made that clear last year and now. Who gives a crap about arbitration clocks. That kind of thinking tells a prospect that they mean nothing but $ to the team and when they become free agents they bolt. Holding a player back for arbitration reasons is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

[jays76]

Jenkins is s*** lol

 

 

Ceiling is long relief.

[Brownie19]

This kind of thinking puts teams on a 20 year plan. We are done with that ********. If the player is ready they play. Most do need time in AAA...OTHERS DONT. We are done prospect hoarding as an organization. AA made that clear last year and now. Who gives a crap about arbitration clocks. That kind of thinking tells a prospect that they mean nothing but $ to the team and when they become free agents they bolt. Holding a player back for arbitration reasons is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

 

Cite the case. This happens all the time. Note Bryant, Kris this coming season.

[Gorlak]

This kind of thinking puts teams on a 20 year plan. We are done with that ********. If the player is ready they play. Most do need time in AAA...OTHERS DONT. We are done prospect hoarding as an organization. AA made that clear last year and now. Who gives a crap about arbitration clocks. That kind of thinking tells a prospect that they mean nothing but $ to the team and when they become free agents they bolt. Holding a player back for arbitration reasons is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

 

Depends where a team is on the win curve. Doesn't make sense for teams rebuilding or teams staying pat, But is useful for contenders. A player's surplus value relative to his salary is only an unrealized gain until either the player is traded or the team wins.

[Daniel Labude]

Cite the case. This happens all the time. Note Bryant, Kris this coming season.

Case...Trout, Mike....ever heard of him. I guess the Angels screwed themselves and his development. Really needed a couple more minor league seasons and that dang arbitration. Wonder if they are kicking themselves about that. How about Harper, Bryce. Hell I could name 100s of cases both ways. That's why holding for arbitration reasons is stupid as s***. You never know what will happen until they are in the majors. If they are ready they should play...period

 

How about Chris Sale...played less games in the minors than just about everyone...how is he doing...

[glory]

Jays stretching out Copeland. Is he any good?

[RealAccountant]

Jays stretching out Copeland. Is he any good?

 

Bahaha

 

Good bye playoffs ;-)

[BTS]

It would be awesome if Jenkins' terrible spring costs him a job and we never see him again.

[Brownie19]

Case...Trout, Mike....ever heard of him. I guess the Angels screwed themselves and his development. Really needed a couple more minor league seasons and that dang arbitration. Wonder if they are kicking themselves about that. How about Harper, Bryce. Hell I could name 100s of cases both ways. That's why holding for arbitration reasons is stupid as s***. You never know what will happen until they are in the majors. If they are ready they should play...period

 

How about Chris Sale...played less games in the minors than just about everyone...how is he doing...

 

For Christ sakes - I meant cite the case where the prospect was given the impression he's nothing but a $ to the team (because they delayed his arbitration clock) and bolted when he became a FA because of it. Some agents have threatened action against the team, but I've never heard of a prospect who refused to resign with a team solely based on how his arbitration clock was handled.

 

Oh - and BTW - both the Angels and the Nats delayed the arbitration clock for Trout and Harper respectfully. Both spent the first 20 odd games in AAA during their rookie seasons, which I believe was to gain an extra year of control for each player.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/12/24/kris-bryant-and-emphasizing-the-distinction-between-extra-control-and-super-two/

[Angrioter]

It would be awesome if Jenkins' terrible spring costs him a job and we never see him again.

 

Agree my Canadian enemy; Jenkins sucks.

 

Deck McGuire could be useful now.

[Daniel Labude]

For Christ sakes - I meant cite the case where the prospect was given the impression he's nothing but a $ to the team (because they delayed his arbitration clock) and bolted when he became a FA because of it. Some agents have threatened action against the team, but I've never heard of a prospect who refused to resign with a team solely based on how his arbitration clock was handled.

 

Oh - and BTW - both the Angels and the Nats delayed the arbitration clock for Trout and Harper respectfully. Both spent the first 20 odd games in AAA during their rookie seasons, which I believe was to gain an extra year of control for each player.

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/12/24/kris-bryant-and-emphasizing-the-distinction-between-extra-control-and-super-two/

At age 19...not 21

 

And I know for a fact players have signed elsewhere because they were held back for s*** reasons such as arbitration clocks, etc. I will not divulge their names because it's not my place to.

[Spanky99]

The funny part to me was his less than stellar synopsis of Estrada compared to the other two.

 

He went deeper than that on TV, it's funny how it was isolated.

[KingKat]

http://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/719319

 

[h=1]3 pitchers the Blue Jays should target in a trade[/h]by Dan Toman 11h ago

David Kohl-USA TODAY Sports / Reuters

 

Few teams can withstand the loss of their best pitcher. For the Toronto Blue Jays, in particular, the season-ending injury to Marcus Stroman is crippling.

The Blue Jays must now rely more heavily on a rotation that entered the season with pre-existing question marks. Toronto was already asking a lot from its youngsters this year - at least 380 innings of above-league-average pitching from Stroman and Drew Hutchison - not to mention optimistic results from veterans R.A. Dickey and Mark Buehrle.

The Jays have Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion under contract for at least one more season, and the 2016 free-agent pitcher class is shaping up to be extremely deep. For now, they could do worse than rolling the dice on these three pitchers:

[h=3]Trevor Cahill, Arizona Diamondbacks[/h]2015 Salary: $12 million

2016 Status: $13-million option ($300,000 buyout)

Oh, you were expecting Cole Hamels? The Blue Jays have coveted an ace to compliment their high-powered offense, but at this point they need their top young trade chips (Daniel Norris, Dalton Pompey andAaron Sanchez) contributing to the wins column now.

Cahill has struggled to demonstrate consistency during his six-year career, and suffered through his worst ERA and walk rate in 2014. But the Diamondbacks right-hander is still just 27 years old and averaged slightly over 200 innings from 2010-13. There's optimism Cahill can rebound to his previous form with a new arm slot, and the Diamondbacks need a catcher (Dioner Navarro). Cahill might not outperform Sanchez or Norris, but he wouldn't have to. There will surely be more injuries, and the Blue Jays need the depth to roll with them.

[h=3]Bartolo Colon, New York Mets[/h]2015 Salary: $11 million

2016 Status: FA

Pivoting off the previous point, it's not clear what exactly the Blue Jays are expecting from Sanchez and Norris. The pair combined to throw just 39 2/3 MLB innings last year, and neither pitcher has claimed a defined role on the staff less than a month to go before the season.

Adding the 41-year-old Colon would allow the two prospects to develop more organically.

Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos loves acquiring players with years of control, and it's no secret he's working on a team-imposed budget. But Colon's ERA, FIP, and BB/9 rate over the last two seasons would be tops among Toronto's current starters, and therefore makes this an obvious option to explore.

[h=3]Mike Leake, Cincinnati Reds[/h]2015 Salary: $9.775 million

2016 Status: FA

Leake, 27, is coming off a personal-best 214 1/3 innings pitched - only Dickey threw more - and the highest strikeout clip of his career. Despite a high HR/FB rate, the right-hander has been better than league average at inducing grounders and fly balls for five straight seasons. Those are encouraging numbers for a pitcher at hitter-friendly Rogers Centre.

The Reds already dealt impending free agents Mat Latos and Alfredo Simon this offseason - why not gut the entire staff?

[BTS]

Cahill is awful, and it seems like we've been talking for years about acquiring him.

[jays_fever]

Leake's sneaky good, Cahil's pretty bad and I couldnt stand the thought of replacing Stroman with Colon who's a likely candidate to have a heart attack this year

[KingKat]

Cahill is awful, and it seems like we've been talking for years about acquiring him.

 

Any chance he can be the 2 win pitcher he used to be again? A 2 win, 200 IP guy for a roughly 6-7 million dollar payroll bump (assuming Navaro's contract goes the other way) seems like a justifiable move for a potential contender looking for pitching depth.

[ScientificReason]

We don;t have much to trade at this point to get anyone decent, without getting rid of the top prospects.

[Deadpool]

We don;t have much to trade at this point to get anyone decent, without getting rid of the top prospects.

 

We have more than enough to get any of these 3 pitchers without getting rid of "top prospects".

[glory]

Navarro and Romero (salary equalizer) for Cahill would be as far as I would go for him.

 

Man, I really wish we traded for Bolsinger or Miley when we had the chance. Stewart hates FIP, WAR, and anything else he couldn't see on the back of a 1970's baseball card.

[KingKat]

Navarro and Romero (salary equalizer) for Cahill would be as far as I would go for him.

 

 

Can't see the Diamondback doing that. Cahill is a bounce back candidate for them. No reason to move him if there's no money saved. Maybe Estrada + Navarro but then that doesn't really help pitching depth much at all unless the Jays are very confident that Cahill is an upgrade (something a lot of people would doubt).

[Angrioter]

[Governator]

That grounds crew cuts grass worse than my lawn.,

[Angrioter]

Ben Nicholson-Smith ‏

Asked Gibbons if Castro is still a longshot for #BlueJays. "I don't know ... If he's good enough, it's an important year for us"

 

Miguel Castro was considered a longshot to make the #BlueJays a few days ago, but the more he pitches, the better his chances seem.

 

Gibbons ready to rely on young arms if they have good feel for pitching. "If a guy's polished, regardless of his age, why waste it?"

[glory]

Any chance Arizona trades Chase Anderson for Navarro? Morosi lists him as a holdover who the new regime in Arizona may move. Him and Estrada as the 4/5 starters while Norris gets some development time in AAA would be solid.

[BTS]

Any chance Arizona trades Chase Anderson for Navarro? Morosi lists him as a holdover who the new regime in Arizona may move. Him and Estrada as the 4/5 starters while Norris gets some development time in AAA would be solid.

 

I think not.