Rotation and Bullpen Post Stroman Injury

[Olerud363]

What's he supposed to say? "Well f***, there goes 15'" Like the rest of these chicken littles.

 

I admire your positivity through thick and thin... the problem is that we aren't a 90 win projected team, we are the same 84 win projected team we know and love.

 

Stroman was a key, in that he had the capability of producing a 6 win season -- our projections probably had him at 3, but a lot of fans dreamed that Stroman could be better than that and push the win total into the high 80s. Giving us a realistic chance.

 

Now no Stroman. So we move back to 80-81 win projected... and we lose the guy fans felt could push us 3 or 4 wins above projections.

 

So

 

Tuesday morning - 84 wins with a possibly special pitcher that could push us to 87

Wednesday morning - 81 wins and harder to see the path that leads us above projection.

 

So mentally this is a 6 win swing for a lot of fans. 87 yesterday, 81 today.

[StroShow]

The way he short-changed Estrada was kinda funny.

 

Krylian with the expert journalism kinda shortchanged Dickey on what he said. There was a pause with a few "and"'s, but he followed it up with "...and have a good year".

[CrackerJack]

I admire your positivity through thick and thin... the problem is that we aren't a 90 win projected team, we are the same 84 win projected team we know and love.

 

Stroman was a key, in that he had the capability of producing a 6 win season -- our projections probably had him at 3, but a lot of fans dreamed that Stroman could be better than that and push the win total into the high 80s. Giving us a realistic chance.

 

Now no Stroman. So we move back to 80-81 win projected... and we lose the guy fans felt could push us 3 or 4 wins above projections.

 

So

 

Tuesday morning - 84 wins with a possibly special pitcher that could push us to 87

Wednesday morning - 81 wins and harder to see the path that leads us above projection.

 

So mentally this is a 6 win swing for a lot of fans. 87 yesterday, 81 today.

 

the good news (I guess) is that you gotta play the actual games

... didn't the Yankees get like 7 more wins than projected in each of the last two seasons?

[glory]

This kind of thinking is extremely short sighted and ignoring what's best in the long-term to chase a longshot is tomfoolery. The reality is - a lot of the young pitchers they have aren't ready to perform in the Majors sir.

 

I think the plan all along was Norris in AAA, Sanchez in the pen, and Estrada in the rotation. With Stroman out, there's really not much else they can do. Norris is their fourth best starter right now.

[TBJ12]

This kind of thinking is extremely short sighted and ignoring what's best in the long-term to chase a longshot is tomfoolery. The reality is - a lot of the young pitchers they have aren't ready to perform in the Majors sir.

 

 

 

What makes you so sure they aren't ready to pitch in MLB? What the magic number of innings a guy needs in AAA for you to consider him MLB ready? I don't really give a f*** about anyone's arb clock, if that player is the best option I want to see him on the MLB roster. This team is loaded with pitching prospects. I don't see the need for concern if one or two of them get here a little quicker than expected.

[Governator]

Last year we were 10 games above .500 at end of May with no 2B, Francisco at 3B and no Stroshow. Things can happen.

[Angrioter]

steamer finally has norris as a full starter now and have him at 1.8 war/200 ip. Less than a 2 win downgrade from stroman.

 

1.8 war/200 ip = 1.2 war 140 ip

[tercet]

Steamer finally has Norris as a full starter now and have him at 1.8 WAR/200 IP. Less than a 2 win downgrade from Stroman.

 

Steamer has Sanchez - 111IP, 4.29fip, 4.3bb/9, 7.71/9, 0.4WAR

ZiPS has Sanchez - 127.7IP, 4.77fip, 4.9bb/9, 7.1k/9, 0.0WAR

 

I still think those are both being nice to Sanchez if he were to be a starter lol

[Brownie19]

What makes you so sure they aren't ready to pitch in MLB? What the magic number of innings a guy needs in AAA for you to consider him MLB ready? I don't really give a f*** about anyone's arb clock, if that player is the best option I want to see him on the MLB roster. This team is loaded with pitching prospects. I don't see the need for concern if one or two of them get here a little quicker than expected.

 

Sanchez's minor league performance suggests he's not ready to be a starter in the big leagues (in fact is suggests he isn't even close). There is no magic number of innings a guys needs in AAA before he's considered MLB ready; however, history suggests the vast majority of pitchers need more than 58 innings pitched above A ball before they are ready to be successful in the majors (which is how many Norris has pitched).

 

You don't care about a players arbitration clock because you're a short sighted fan.

[Angrioter]

Steamer has Sanchez - 111IP, 4.29fip, 4.3bb/9, 7.71/9, 0.4WAR

ZiPS has Sanchez - 127.7IP, 4.77fip, 4.9bb/9, 7.1k/9, 0.0WAR

 

I still think those are both being nice to Sanchez if he were to be a starter lol

 

These young pitchers only practice in the minors. In real games, they should practice with pitches that they are developing, therefore, results or stats will not be favorable.

Sanchez will destroy those projections.

[gruber92]

Any game updates?

[StroShow]

These young pitchers only practice in the minors. In real games, they should practice with pitches that they are developing, therefore, results or stats will not be favorable.

Sanchez will destroy those projections.

 

Pretty much what Sanchez did when they tweaked his arm slot(?) in Buffalo. Just threw all fastballs to try and harness his pitches.

 

I'll take a Blanton with an elite GB%

[gruber92]

Reyes 1B

Santiago 1B

Bautista Fly out

Smoak RBI GB

Pillar RBI 2B

 

Hutch 2IP 1BB 0R 0H 0K

 

Thanks..

[gruber92]

All the second baseman are having decent springs so far.

[tercet]

Pretty much what Sanchez did when they tweaked his arm slot(?) in Buffalo. Just threw all fastballs to try and harness his pitches.

 

I'll take a Blanton with an elite GB%

 

Joe Blanton is a terrible comparsion..

 

But to be simple, Blanton had ok command, Aaron Sanchez has god damn terrible command. Maybe Sanchez will improve, but when ur walking 5bb/9 u will fail 99.99%%%%%

[Angrioter]

Pretty much what Sanchez did when they tweaked his arm slot(?) in Buffalo. Just threw all fastballs to try and harness his pitches.

 

I'll take a Blanton with an elite GB%

Jarred Cosart 2013

60 IP: (4.95 K, 5.25 BB, 0.45 HR)/9; 55% GB; 4.38 FIP; 0.4 Wins (1.8 Wins/180 IP)

 

Sanchez could be better than that IMO.

 

Jarred Cosart 2014

180.33 IP: (5.74 K, 3.64 BB, 0.45 HR)/9; 54% GB, 3.77 FIP; 2.1 Wins

[TBJ12]

Sanchez's minor league performance suggests he's not ready to be a starter in the big leagues (in fact is suggests he isn't even close). There is no magic number of innings a guys needs in AAA before he's considered MLB ready; however, history suggests the vast majority of pitchers need more than 58 innings pitched above A ball before they are ready to be successful in the majors (which is how many Norris has pitched).

 

You don't care about a players arbitration clock because you're a short sighted fan.

 

I wasn't aware we were talking about any one player in particular. Sanchez might not be ready but that doesn't mean some others are not. If by being a short sighted fan you mean I'm not going to worry about what's going on 6 years from now, I guess I am.

[Sammy225]

If it makes anyone feel a little bit better at all Hutch through 4 solid innings of work (4IP, 0R, 2H, 1BB, 2Ks).

[BlueBirdBro]

Castro follows up with a perfect inning striking out Wieters (0-19) and Machado.

[Angrioter]

Miguel Castro

 

 

Wieters Swinging K

Pearce GB out

Machado Called K

[glory]

Wow. Castro's actually going to make the team, isn't he?

[tercet]

These young pitchers only practice in the minors. In real games, they should practice with pitches that they are developing, therefore, results or stats will not be favorable.

Sanchez will destroy those projections.

 

Maybe in a few years, But not this year imo..

[HERPDERP]

Castro just got 2 K's in 1 hitless inning. 1 called 1 swinging.

 

put him in the BP brah

[tercet]

Castro doing well vs ML hitters....... sick!

[Angrioter]

f*** you Chapman, Castro is here to stay!!

[StroShow]

Joe Blanton is a terrible comparsion..

 

But to be simple, Blanton had ok command, Aaron Sanchez has god damn terrible command. Maybe Sanchez will improve, but when ur walking 5bb/9 u will fail 99.99%%%%%

 

It was literally the comp that was thrown on him by ZiPs projections. That's the only reason why I mentioned Blanton by name.

[Angrioter]

Miguel Castro

 

1st Inning - GB and 2 K's

2nd inning - 2 GB

 

 

FAP FAP FAP

[StroShow]

Miguel Castro

 

1st Inning - GB and 2 K's

2nd inning - 2 GB

 

 

FAP FAP FAP

 

Robertico and Miguelito, the future is now?

[tercet]

Miguel Castro

 

1st Inning - GB and 2 K's

2nd inning - 2 GB

 

 

FAP FAP FAP

 

Ever met Castro in the DR?

How is he?

[flafson]

Ever met Castro in the DR?

How is he?

 

Tall and skinny.