Would you Hire Brian Cashman?

[Key22]

I know some posters hate AA so my question is basically - if Cashman were available would you hire him? Steinbrenner noted that if the Yankees don't make the playoffs then Cashman could be on the chopping block "“It would be horrible not to make the playoffs three years in a row,” he said. “We’d be embarrassed. So anything [as far as firings or restructuring] would be on the table, yes.”

 

There is a decent shot that the Yankees don't make the playoffs.

 

The Jays will have a new president next year and if the Jays don't make the playoffs there is a decent chance AA gets fired.

[Laika]

It's pretty hard to determine how good Cashman really is.

 

Actually, I think it's impossible.

 

But my instinct is that he's better than AA... I tend to credit a lot of the small, well done things in New York to Cashman, and then blame the higher ups for some of the bigger messes. That's probably not entirely fair.

[Orgfiller]

It's pretty hard to determine how good Cashman really is.

 

Actually, I think it's impossible.

 

But my instinct is that he's better than AA... I tend to credit a lot of the small, well done things in New York to Cashman, and then blame the higher ups for some of the bigger messes. That's probably not entirely fair.

 

Yeah it's pretty hard, he's obviously made a lot of shrewd moves but when all the money that you need and then some is available it's kind of hard to not be competitive. He's got some pretty big albatrosses in his roster and you can't really attribute that to bad negotiating specifically since you can basically offer whatever the hell you want in order to obtain it. He's the perfect Yankees GM.

[Dick_Pole]

If the team was in need of a GM, then he might be an option. But I'll vote no if the action is you have to fire AA just to bring in Cashman. If the Jays are going fire AA they might as well interview a whole pool of eligible candidates.

[Laika]

I do think that AA is pretty entrenched. He hasn't been such a disaster that he'll be fired. He's been mediocre enough to stick around for a decade

[Key22]

Am I restricted to AA and Cashman? If I was hiring someone it wouldn't be Cashman because there are so many other options out there.

 

You're not really restricted but when I read the above - Cashman seemed like a guy who could be available. When we say there are MANY other options I would assume those options already have GM positions - unless you deem AA to be the worst GM in baseball and there are MANY candidates better sitting by the phone waiting for the call to replace one of the employed GMs.

 

I'm not sold on Cashman - merely because the Yankees can buy their way out of mistakes. Their owners are PRIVATE businessmen so that can always be in the bidding for 19 year olds and can make decisions to pay $30million and $30 million in luxury taxes - Rogers is a corporation and I doubt they're ever in on any of those kinds of players with boards and shareholders etc to answer to.

 

If AA in October was told he would have a $200 million payroll I wonder what the roster would look like right now?

[KingKat]

Not walking away from ARod when they had a chance was a colossal mistake. Understanding what part he played in that would be key in evaluating his legacy similarly to how whether or not you blame J.P. for Vernon Wells drastically changes his legacy.

[TwistedLogic]

Alex Anthopoulos is a better general manager than Brian Cashman.

[Daniel Labude]

Cashman is only good because of a $300 million payroll.

[Inklink]

He'll give you money for your ... gold, oh yeah.

[reedjohnsonfan]

I'd probably take Cashman over AA. He's made some nice moves and gets pressured into the bigger contract which usually end up looking poor after a few years. He knows what he is doing, for those that say he only did well because he has a huge payroll let's see what Friedman does. He will shell out huge contracts that will look stupid from a $$$/WAR perspective but will still make the Dodgers a better team in the short term.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Alex Anthopoulos is a better general manager than Brian Cashman.

 

Why?

[BTS]

I don't have a strong opinion on Cashman one way or another. I don't really see how you could.

[TwistedLogic]

Why?

 

Because the Yankees are garbage at scouting and developing young players, and the Jays have been elite at it since AA took over.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Because the Yankees are garbage at scouting and developing young players, and the Jays have been elite at it since AA took over.

 

Ok so that means AA>Cashman. Good point lol once again you are talking out of your ass.

[TwistedLogic]

Ok so that means AA>Cashman. Good point lol once again you are talking out of your ass.

 

No, I simply choose not to spend any additional time rationalizing my stance to you. No offense but you aren't worth debating with.

[BTS]

No, I simply choose not to spend any additional time rationalizing my stance to you. No offense but you aren't worth debating with.

 

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[reedjohnsonfan]

Because the Yankees are garbage at scouting and developing young players, and the Jays have been elite at it since AA took over.

 

Then why'd you reply in the first place dude (I assume you are a dude)?

 

You are saying that the Yanks are garbage at scouting and development, so AA is better than Cashman. If I'm not worth debating with why did you even reply in the first place and make it seem (to me at least) that you're making s*** up?

[TwistedLogic]

It's pretty ass-backwards to cleanse Cashman of any blame for the Yankees' many garbage big-ticket signings, and then turn around and wholeheartedly s*** on AA for the Marlins trade, but even if you let that slide, anyone who thinks Cashman would be a better GM for the Jays than AA based on only what we know, is, as rjf so eloquently put it, talking out of their ass.

 

Anyone that talks s*** about the Dickey trade, I'd love to see them justify the time when Cashman also traded for an aging pitcher after contending for a Cy Young award, and gave up Jose Contreras for half a year of below replacement production from Esteban Loaiza. For the people that love to talk about how the Jays gave up a s*** ton in exchange for less in the Marlins deal (which is still paying off for them), I'd love to see them justify the Yankoffs trade of Jackson (15.6 war in the 5 years since), Kennedy (13.6 WAR in the five years since), and Coke (1.1 WAR, 1.8 WAR in the two seasons after the trade) for Curtis Granderson. Everyone loves to lick the Yankees balls and say that it was a win-win trade, but it wasn't. It was a s*** trade. Ajax alone was worth more for the Tigers than Granderson was for the Yankees in the exact same amount of time.

 

The Yankees have a garbage farm system, and they've had a garbage farm system for years. Since AA took over for the Jays in 2009, the Yankees have converted an entirety of two top prospects into regular major leaguers in Ivan Nova and Dellin Betances, who struggled for years as a SP prospect before finally putting it together in the pen. The last good guys to come out of their system were Gardner and Robertson, back in 2008. The only other top guys from their system in the last seven years were literally all traded to the Tigers in the Granderson trade. They've gotten nothing out of Gary Sanchez, they've gotten nothing out of Mason Williams, they've gotten nothing out of Bichette, and the "Killer B's" were an utter embarrassment until they caught lightning in a bottle and Betances finally emerged from the pile of steaming s*** to become a relief god.

 

The Yankees are atrocious at signing free agents to long term deals, they suck at developing their own players, they don't have a good track record with the guys they've extended, and their good to bad trade ratio can't be much better or worse than the Jays. They have decent depth from time to time, but that's because every old f***er in the game wants to play for the Yankees before they retire, and so they get to squeeze marginal value out of guys like Ibanez, Jones and Ichiro on cheap contracts.

 

I don't think AA is the best GM out there. I actually think that there are probably a host of executives out there that might be better for the job than he is. Having said that, the chances that the Jays actually go out and sign someone better than AA for the job are so slim that it wouldn't surprise me at all if the same people begging for him to leave right now are eventually bawling their eyes out when the Jays replace him with someone like Stewart or Minaya.

[TwistedLogic]

So no, I wouldn't hire Brian Cashman.