BlueJays not in on K-Rod, Soriano or Chamberlain

[shortstop]

Kingkat,

 

We differ on that - I think we're 5 strong including delabar - the 6th is long man eat up innings guy so whoever...

 

Question for me is #7 - I guess Hendricks since he has better control & Drabek is frustrating. My sense is plan is for the Pen to remain as is till Norris gets called up.

 

Another way of looking at it - tougher to call up Norrus with another established reliever in the mold.

[KingKat]

Another way of looking at it - tougher to call up Norrus with another established reliever in the mold.

 

I think it's unlikely another reliever gets brought in on a MLB contract. If they bring in anyone, it will probably be another MiLB contract like they tried to do with the last guy.

[jays76]

I think it's unlikely another reliever gets brought in on a MLB contract. If they bring in anyone, it will probably be another MiLB contract like they tried to do with the last guy.

 

Phil Coke

[Governator]

Gawdd.. I hope Phil Coke is not our go to solution to bailing Dickey out of jams in the 7th.

[shortstop]

That's my issue Governator

 

You're gonna need that guy for depth to pitch in & get guys out when it matters

 

Hendricks? Maybe.

 

I really liked Graveman but that was part of the bargain.

[jays76]

Gawdd.. I hope Phil Coke is not our go to solution to bailing Dickey out of jams in the 7th.

 

Don't you mean the 6th.

[jays76]

Speaking of Dickey I find it hard to believe Thole's option was picked up so quick, I know this happened ages ago but if it was declined was anyone really going to swoop in and grab Josh Thole??

 

Picture the flexibility AA would have now if he was signed to a MiLB contract going into spring training. If Martin can catch Dickey and Navarro stays on as the backup (which looks more and more likely) then AA could've saved almost 2M in salary by bidding adieu to Thole and his roster spot.

[Governator]

Don't you mean the 6th.

 

lol yes that too. Bottom line is if a guy like Coke is coming in with runners on you're going to be cringing. His glorious H/9 is above 10... I'd rather Delabar walk a batter and then strike the next out to lessen the damage.

[jays76]

lol yes that too. Bottom line is if a guy like Coke is coming in with runners on you're going to be cringing. His glorious H/9 is above 10... I'd rather Delabar walk a batter and then strike the next out to lessen the damage.

 

I concur.

[NorthOf49]

lol yes that too. Bottom line is if a guy like Coke is coming in with runners on you're going to be cringing. His glorious H/9 is above 10... I'd rather Delabar walk a batter and then strike the next out to lessen the damage.

Coke is very effective against lefties though. If we're going to have Cecil close, having a third lefty in the pen could be useful. And there's no risk if it's a minor league deal.

[RealAccountant]

Ya my guess is that Sanchez is like a 4.10-4.20 ERA/FIP reliever. Wouldn't be that much of a stretch for him to turn into Zach Britton though.

 

I'm glad people are comfortable with Sanchez relieving now

[BTS]

Ya my guess is that Sanchez is like a 4.10-4.20 ERA/FIP reliever. Wouldn't be that much of a stretch for him to turn into Zach Britton though.

 

There's upside there without question. I just take issue with the way people are assuming an elite reliever floor.

[Gorlak]

There's upside there without question. I just take issue with the way people are assuming an elite reliever floor.

 

Funny because most consider that his ceiling as well.

[BTS]

Funny because most consider that his ceiling as well.

 

I don't think anyone considers that his ceiling.

[jays76]

Coke is very effective against lefties though. If we're going to have Cecil close, having a third lefty in the pen could be useful. And there's no risk if it's a minor league deal.

 

I would rather a Delabar bounce back as well but yeah it couldn't hurt seeing what Coke has to offer, the more we can bring in this ST the merrier. Rasmussen might also be an option for that 3rd lefty spot if he has a strong showing.

[bendera3]

Speaking of Dickey I find it hard to believe Thole's option was picked up so quick, I know this happened ages ago but if it was declined was anyone really going to swoop in and grab Josh Thole??

 

Picture the flexibility AA would have now if he was signed to a MiLB contract going into spring training. If Martin can catch Dickey and Navarro stays on as the backup (which looks more and more likely) then AA could've saved almost 2M in salary by bidding adieu to Thole and his roster spot.

 

I could see it. It seems like catching is always in need and I could see a team picking him up as depth.

[L54]

There's upside there without question. I just take issue with the way people are assuming an elite reliever floor.

 

I really don't see many people parading around claiming him to be elite. Maybe in the comments section of Sportsnet articles.

 

There is also a difference between predicting what will happen, and what people would choose to do. The way the offseason has unfolded, it appears that AA has constructed the BP to feature Sanchez. Just because he seems destined to start in the back end of the pen, doesn't mean people are labeling him elite.

[BTS]

I really don't see many people parading around claiming him to be elite. Maybe in the comments section of Sportsnet articles.

 

There is also a difference between predicting what will happen, and what people would choose to do. The way the offseason has unfolded, it appears that AA has constructed the BP to feature Sanchez. Just because he seems destined to start in the back end of the pen, doesn't mean people are labeling him elite.

 

He mostly likely will start in the back end of the pen, but there are a lot of posts along the lines of "outside of Cecil, Loup, and Sanchez the pen is weak" it just seems to be widely assumed that he's going to warrant high leverage innings, when I think its a lot more likely that Sanchez in those types of spots hurts the team more than it helps.

[L54]

He mostly likely will start in the back end of the pen, but there are a lot of posts along the lines of "outside of Cecil, Loup, and Sanchez the pen is weak" it just seems to be widely assumed that he's going to warrant high leverage innings, when I think its a lot more likely that Sanchez in those types of spots hurts the team more than it helps.

 

I see where you're coming from. Penciling him in for the 8th inning isn't a good strategy, but his ability to get ground balls at an above average rate should make him a valuable piece of the bullpen.

 

I'm not even a big Sanchez fan (I've advocated he's most valuable to the Jays in a trade), but he's not 6th inning mop up duty either.

[BTS]

I see where you're coming from. Penciling him in for the 8th inning isn't a good strategy, but his ability to get ground balls at an above average rate should make him a valuable piece of the bullpen.

 

I'm not even a big Sanchez fan (I've advocated he's most valuable to the Jays in a trade), but he's not 6th inning mop up duty either.

 

He could very well be. Steamer thinks he's a 4.83 ERA guy. ZiPS 4.44. Shave a third of a run off that if he's exclusively a reliever, and that's still not really playable.

[jays_fever]

Some of the negative bias in this thread is pretty hilarious.

 

Cecil is a really good pitcher..vs both lefties and righties. I suppose he looks funny so he shouldnt be counted on to "close out" games though.

 

Dickey's given us about 220 innings the past two years..yet there's jokes about him not being able to get out of the 6th inning

[bendera3]

 

Dickey's given us about 220 innings the past two years..yet there's jokes about him not being able to get out of the 6th inning

 

Dickey is valuable. He's not the #1 that everyone wants but the (mostly) quality innings he gives us are incredibly valuable to the team.

[ElNik2013]

Just me or do we need 1 more reliever?

 

Cecil, Loup, Sanchez, Redmond are locks

Delabar imo will rebound

 

Even with 2 uncertainties, that's discomforting

 

 

 

I'm sure RealAccountant agrees with you.

[L54]

He could very well be. Steamer thinks he's a 4.83 ERA guy. ZiPS 4.44. Shave a third of a run off that if he's exclusively a reliever, and that's still not really playable.

 

I guess we'll see. I would be inclined to take the under on either of those numbers as FIPs out of the pen.

[jays_fever]

Dickey is valuable. He's not the #1 that everyone wants but the (mostly) quality innings he gives us are incredibly valuable to the team.

 

Yea 200+ IP pitchers are really valuable. Sure he stinks sometimes but he's a league average starter who isn't overpaid. What we gave up for him has nothing to do with his current contributions to the team

[JaysFan4Ever]

I wouldn't mind giving K-Rod a shot but he must be asking for some serious money or years.

 

I still wish they would add to the pen and possibly rotation and not just the AAAA bounce around guys to be safe.

 

Hopefully the rotation holds. MB and RA seem to be locks for 200IP and solid while the younger guys look like they could hold their own and we have a few we could use.

 

The deeper the starters go the less strain on the pen. Hopefully, like mentioned, a waiver claim works out, someone has a good year for use, Delabar somehow corrects what his problem(s) and can be dominate again.

 

As long as everyone does their job and doesn't fall apart they can be fine. A bonafide closer would be great but so would a true #1. They're not available right now or they're waiting them out for them to sign for next to nothing (relatively speaking) since ST is days away.

 

Time will tell. I think they're going to use Sanchez as a RP if not closer (at times) this year since he was great last year then maybe transition him back to a starter if next year a better RP comes along.

[Boxcar]

Some of the negative bias in this thread is pretty hilarious.

 

Cecil is a really good pitcher..vs both lefties and righties. I suppose he looks funny so he shouldnt be counted on to "close out" games though.

 

Dickey's given us about 220 innings the past two years..yet there's jokes about him not being able to get out of the 6th inning

 

What do you mean? He has goggles. Those are premier closer accessories.

[L54]

#Belsario

[Spanky99]

Nothing can hide that lid.

[Atothe]

BTS forgets that Sanchez pitch in high leverage situations last year, unless their advanced stats guys have input as to who gets what then I doubt there will be any difference. Gibbons will run with him in the 7th/8th until he can no longer run with him