Around Baseball 2015

[Jimcanuck]

You're arguably the arguable leader in arguably infantile argumentative posts.

 

Whatever. I'm hear to discuss baseball.

[Laika]

Ted Williams, not on PEDS, .553 OBP in 1941.

 

Ted Williams took PEDs consistently:

 

"Yeah, we all did it back then. I used to take steroids, greenies, uppers, downers, brownies. It was just part of being a professional."

- Ted Williams in his autobiography

[Angrioter]

How do you know Williams was not on PEDs?

 

Because as time passes, steroids become more effective.

[Boxcar]

Ted Williams took PEDs consistently:

 

"Yeah, we all did it back then. I used to take steroids, greenies, uppers, downers, brownies. It was just part of being a professional."

- Ted Williams in his autobiography

 

oops

[GD]

Ted Williams took PEDs consistently:

 

"Yeah, we all did it back then. I used to take steroids, greenies, uppers, downers, brownies. It was just part of being a professional."

- Ted Williams in his autobiography

 

get rekt

[Jimcanuck]

Ted Williams took PEDs consistently:

 

"Yeah, we all did it back then. I used to take steroids, greenies, uppers, downers, brownies. It was just part of being a professional."

- Ted Williams in his autobiography

 

Fair enough. However, do you agree given the numbers it cannot be concluded Bonds is the best ever?

[CJ-Freeway]

In 2004 Bonds had a .609 OBP. I don't give a f*** what he was on, that is insane. You could put most MLBers on the best s*** on the market and tell them the f***ing pitches before they come and they still wouldn't get to .609.

 

True, that's f***ing crazy.

[o2cui2i]

Ted Williams took PEDs consistently:

 

"Yeah, we all did it back then. I used to take steroids, greenies, uppers, downers, brownies. It was just part of being a professional."

- Ted Williams in his autobiography

 

I can't believe how well some guys played while consuming copious amounts of alcohol daily. (Mantle, Ruth++) the game has been cleaned up a lot in the modern era but there are still some guys who can't deal with the money.

[Travis_Snider]

In 2004 Bonds had a .609 OBP. I don't give a f*** what he was on, that is insane. You could put most MLBers on the best s*** on the market and tell them the f***ing pitches before they come and they still wouldn't get to .609.

 

Exactly.

 

I have used in the past I can tell you the advantages of using steroids are extremely overblown.

 

Bonds is GOAT

[o2cui2i]

just read an interesting fun fact.

 

In the history of Major League Baseball, six players have been issued intentional walks with the bases loaded. This is only done in the rarest of cases, typically when the pitching team is leading by four runs or less late in the game and a particularly feared hitter is at the plate. The six players given such passes are Abner Dalrymple (1881), Nap Lajoie (1901), Del Bissonette (1928), Bill Nicholson (1944), Barry Bonds (1998), and Josh Hamilton (2008). In all six cases, the pitching team went on to win the game.

[Jimcanuck]

Exactly.

 

I have used in the past I can tell you the advantages of using steroids are extremely overblown.

 

Bonds is GOAT

 

Check this out

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=1109&position=OF&page=8&players=1014040

[Boxcar]

Fair enough. However, do you agree given the numbers it cannot be concluded Bonds is the best ever?

 

I thought you absolutely said Williams was clean? You can't just brush it off. Where is your self-righteous outrage now?

[Jimcanuck]

I thought you absolutely said Williams was clean? You can't just brush it off. Where is your self-righteous outrage now?

 

Never had self righteous outrage. And you are right, I was wrong about Williams.

[Laika]

I made up that Williams quote

 

It was a social experiment

 

You're all idiots

 

I thought "brownies" would be a dead giveaway

[Brownie19]

I'm not arguing Williams vs. Bonds. I'm just sick of hearing the Bonds/steroids thing. Of the likely thousands of MLBers who did steroids, none came close to some of the stuff Bonds did. It's because he was always more talented.

 

It's also likely that 75% of the pitchers Bonds faced were on steroids...

[Candy Maldonado]

I made up that Williams quote

 

You're all idiots

 

I knew this. You shouldn't have said anything and continued to make up more quotes.

[Jimcanuck]

I made up that Williams quote

 

It was a social experiment

 

You're all idiots

 

I thought "brownies" would be a dead giveaway

 

lol

 

you *******

[King]

Rekt

[Inklink]

I made up that Williams quote

 

It was a social experiment

 

You're all idiots

 

I thought "brownies" would be a dead giveaway

 

 

lmfao

[Brownie19]

...no. It shows that Bonds was pretty much just as good in that context. The argument is that Bonds had to play against blacks, latinos, Japanese. The player pool was much bigger. Ruth played against guys who worked on a farm.

 

You mean vs. the massive 2% of african Americans that play in the majors today? Your point is counterbalanced by the watered down competition of 30 teams and small ballparks...all of which have fences! Hahaha

[Brownie19]

That's up for debate. Babe Ruth has more career WAR in 400 less games and likely exceeds his peers by a larger amount than Bonds did his./QUOTE]

 

Ruth also had 12 more as a pitcher...

[dineke]

You mean vs. the massive 2% of african Americans that play in the majors today? Your point is counterbalanced by the watered down competition of 30 teams and small ballparks...all of which have fences! Hahaha

 

A man with a dad bod dominated early 1900s baseball, that tells you all you need to know.

[Brownie19]

A man with a dad bod dominated early 1900s baseball, that tells you all you need to know.

 

He hit more HRs in one year than the rest of the league combined...I don't care what your body looks like, that's good.

[Abomination]

A man with a dad bod dominated early 1900s baseball, that tells you all you need to know.

 

Prince Fielder has a terrible body, but led the league in home runs one year, and is a career 300 home run hitter (so far). Maybe it's not on the same level, but judging based on body probably isn't wise.

[King]

Prince Fielder has a terrible body, but led the league in home runs one year, and is a career 300 home run hitter (so far). Maybe it's not on the same level, but judging based on body probably isn't wise.

 

http://cdn3.everyjoe.com/wp-content/gallery/prince-fielder-body-issue/prince-fielder-cover.jpg

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yUNcWZbFac8/U744qNIwl2I/AAAAAAAAA8s/3Cid2Sk5PGc/s1600/prince5-c.gif

[dineke]

He hit more HRs in one year than the rest of the league combined...I don't care what your body looks like, that's good.

 

It was a joke... are we really arguing the level of talent in the MLB 100 years ago? Of course the talent pool is way higher in the present day.

[admin]

Don't know how we got onto the subject but Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player to ever play the game, and I'm sorry but you're a f***ing moron if you object to it because of steroid use.

[Boxcar]

I made up that Williams quote

 

It was a social experiment

 

You're all idiots

 

I thought "brownies" would be a dead giveaway

 

Amphetamines were prevalent in his era though. Whether he admitted to it or not, that was a real thing.

 

Sorry for taking you at your word, won't happen again.

[o2cui2i]

http://i.bullfax.com/imgs/0d4a287fa793178a870e9d95633b83c2844d0152.jpg

[Boxcar]

You mean vs. the massive 2% of african Americans that play in the majors today? Your point is counterbalanced by the watered down competition of 30 teams and small ballparks...all of which have fences! Hahaha

 

Ignored the latinos, eh? Who in the majors works in the field as their day job?