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Which wild card front office do you most believe in?  

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  1. 1. Which wild card front office do you most believe in?

    • Houston Astros (led by Jeff Luhnow)
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    • New York Yankees (led by Brian Cashman)
      4
    • Chicago Cubs (led by Theo & Jed)
      68
    • Pittsburgh Pirates (led by Neal Huntington)
      15

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http://www.hardballtimes.com/re-examining-wars-defensive-spectrum/

 

I missed this until it was discussed in a more recent article. Jeff Zimmerman has re-calculated Tom Tango's positional adjustments, and his numbers look a fair bit different than Tango's, with DH and 1B being particularly undervalued, maybe. Oakland's Billy Butler signing probably reflects internal work with a similar conclusion. I wonder if fangraphs will end up adjusting their fWAR.

 

Greenwood: this would be an appropriate time for you to talk about Colabello.

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http://www.hardballtimes.com/re-examining-wars-defensive-spectrum/

 

I missed this until it was discussed in a more recent article. Jeff Zimmerman has re-calculated Tom Tango's positional adjustments, and his numbers look a fair bit different than Tango's, with DH and 1B being particularly undervalued, maybe. Oakland's Billy Butler signing probably reflects internal work with a similar conclusion. I wonder if fangraphs will end up adjusting their fWAR.

 

Greenwood: this would be an appropriate time for you to talk about Colabello.

 

http://tangotiger.com/index.php/site/comments/update-to-the-fielding-spectrum-run-values

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Maeda has asked to be posted. Would be an absolutely perfect signing.

 

That would be a dream. If he's somewhere between Iwakuma and Tanaka, he's worth a lot.

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Did you notice that the Fangraphs writer added two prospects to his Braves rankings (very highly, they're now 4th and 6th) after the commenters complained? Jake won. It's kind of a mess.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/evaluating-the-2016-prospects-atlanta-braves/

 

Might as well just do community rankings and scouting reports at this point, lol.

 

From twitter, I know there were some industry people and scouts that were laughing at the initial list and some were actually mad about it because this guy is getting money to do this.

 

I don't know how much of that is legitimate. It's OK and sometimes actually a good thing to not follow the pack. Ranking Ryan Weber highly is fine in theory. Ranking John Gant above Newcomb might be fine in theory. But leaving guys off the list because you forgot about them is pretty bad.

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Might as well just do community rankings and scouting reports at this point, lol.

 

From twitter, I know there were some industry people and scouts that were laughing at the initial list and some were actually mad about it because this guy is getting money to do this.

 

I don't know how much of that is legitimate. It's OK and sometimes actually a good thing to not follow the pack. Ranking Ryan Weber highly is fine in theory. Ranking John Gant above Newcomb might be fine in theory. But leaving guys off the list because you forgot about them is pretty bad.

 

He didn't forget Allard and Riley. He left them unranked because of insufficient data and he still had a write-up on Allard where he explained his rationale for leaving him off and gave him a scouting report. I thought that approach was fine and perfectly defensible. Now he's doing what everything else does and slotting the new draftees in his list.

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He didn't forget Allard and Riley. He left them unranked because of insufficient data and he still had a write-up on Allard where he explained his rationale for leaving him off and gave him a scouting report. I thought that approach was fine and perfectly defensible. Now he's doing what everything else does and slotting the new draftees in his list.

 

Not entirely true on Riley, even if that was his thought process. All he said initially was "Riley hit well in rookie ball and could be really good if he keeps the strikeouts in check"

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Not entirely true on Riley, even if that was his thought process. All he said initially was "Riley hit well in rookie ball and could be really good if he keeps the strikeouts in check"

 

I admit, I screwed up leaving Riley off the list. There isn’t a ton of great information on him after the draft, but his talent is too high to be left out, and I can’t even give a reason why I did that. My mistake. Though I didn’t write on the 2015 draft, he was one of my favorites to follow as the draft happened.

 

He says there was no good reason to leave him off but his reason is right there in the explanation. Insufficient data. He's not going to come out and say that he caved to an Internet lynch mob but that's clearly what he did.

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Where did this guy even come from? McDaniel had a long presence and track record before FG picked him up
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He had previously written a few articles on Fangraphs and THT, most of them about breaking down swings. Dave Cameron was impressed by how he foresaw success for JD Martinez, Jung-Ho Kang and Jose Abreu. Fangraphs knows they're taking a chance on someone with a track record and they believe that Farnsworth is smart enough to break out as a source of great original content.

 

Thanks, Dave

 

So basically this is a Youtube / stat scout with limited industry contacts and connections

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Thanks, Dave

 

So basically this is a Youtube / stat scout with limited industry contacts and connections

 

What's wrong with that?

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What's wrong with that?

 

Probably very little, in theory.

 

But he wouldn't really be a scout then... maybe they should make that distinction.

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Probably very little, in theory.

 

But he wouldn't really be a scout then... maybe they should make that distinction.

 

Personally, I'd love Fangraphs embracing that kind of guy. We have Sickels, Mayo, Callis, whoever is still at BP, all writing lists the same way, largely based on hype and subjective ********.

 

That's why the Greg Birds, Kole Calhouns, CoreDicks, etc. always "surprise" people since scouts mostly suck at what they do. I think if Farnsworth stays stat heavy and doesn't have an anxiety attack from the f***ing dumb FanGraphs mob, he could hit on a lot of guys everyone else overlooks.

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If he didn't forget Allard, then he forgot to leave a big note at the top about how he doesn't rank new draftees or players he doesn't have much information on. In the initial article, I had the impression that he didn't rank Allard because of the associated risk, not because of a policy he has with regards to that type of player. He admitted now that there was no reason that Riley wasn't ranked.

 

A lot of the frustration that people have with the list is the grades and they still seem weird. They don't really match the rankings or the major league average nature of 50.

 

He said in the original article that he left Allard "unranked". That didn't imply he was ranked and found inferior to the other prospects. He basically gave him an incomplete and yes that was in part because of how his injury history clouds his outlook. He also says in this latest piece that there wasn't a lot of info on Riley. He won't defend the choice to leave him off now but it was a perfectly defensible choice too. I suppose he could have put a note like you said but whatever, people are just being babies if you ask me.

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So Chris Ianetta is worth 1/5 Mil

 

Navarro shouldn't even expect that?

 

Iannetta is better than Navarro.

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