Around Baseball 2015

[HERPDERP]

If I were the Reds GM I'd definitely ask. Doesn't mean it will happen. Gotta set the bar somewhere. Either way, GMs go crazy at the deadline, and the extra wildcards just bring more buyers into the equation.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yes. There is precedent for top-of-rotation rentals being traded for top prospects at the deadline.

 

2014:

2013: Zack Greinke for Jean Segura, Johnny Hellweg, Ariel Pena

2013: Matt Garza for Mike Olt, CJ Edwards, Justin Grimm

2012: Ryan Dempster for Christian Villanueva, Kyle Hendricks

2012: Anibal Sanchez (and Omar Infante) for Jacob Turner, Rob Brantley, Brian Flynn

2010: Cliff Lee for Justin Smoak+

2010: Jake Westbrook for Corey Kluber (Indians perspective of three-way)

2010: Edwin Jackson for Daniel Hudson, David Holmberg

 

Many of those prospects were valued similarly to how Hoffman is now.

 

interesting to see how almost all of the prospects turned into nothing/ lost a ton of value.

[Orgfiller]

Agreed if they ask for Hoffman. Would they ask for that much though for half a year from Cueto?

 

If we wanted to compete then it doesn't get much better than trading for Cueto. I would definitely trade Hoffman for Cueto without having second thoughts, and if there is any reasonable chance for an extension then I do that 11/10 times.

[Orgfiller]

interesting to see how almost all of the prospects turned into nothing/ lost a ton of value.

 

That's just how prospects work. Exactly the reason why many should lower their expectations on Hoffman, or there could be a lot of sad people.

[Brownie19]

That's just how prospects work. Exactly the reason why many should lower their expectations on Hoffman, or there could be a lot of sad people.

 

If this is true - why do so many people on here continually bring up how bad the Dickey deal was? (the complaints re: Marlins deal should mainly relate to salary issues).

[Angrioter]

Steve Pearce getting a start at second base

[Brownie19]

Something tell me we should be able to get someone under control for more than half a year if we were willing to deal Hoffman. See Hamels, Cole.

[jays_fever]

It's almost as if we shouldn't expect Jeff Hoffman to have a Gerrit Cole floor.

 

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[Orgfiller]

If this is true - why do so many people on here continually bring up how bad the Dickey deal was? (the complaints re: Marlins deal should mainly relate to salary issues).

 

Because we traded two top 50 prospects for an aging knuckleballer who had just put up a career year. Basically the definition of selling high from the Mets and we took the bait. Not saying that d'Arnaud/Syndergaard will both be studs, but I'm sure a lot of people would have preferred to trade for a Price or Latos (yeah I know) rather than Dickey.

 

It's all in terms of value, a lot of people advocated trading Bautista for Profar when the latter looked like a surefire stud, and here we are. Prospects are highly volatile.

[Daniel Labude]

Something tell me we should be able to get someone under control for more than half a year if we were willing to deal Hoffman. See Hamels, Cole.

 

That would be so bad AA would be fired the next day.

[Brownie19]

That would be so bad AA would be fired the next day.

 

As compared to trading Hoffman for 1/2 a year of Cueto?

 

Are you too stupid to follow the context of the conversation?

[Brownie19]

Because we traded two top 50 prospects for an aging knuckleballer who had just put up a career year. Basically the definition of selling high from the Mets and we took the bait. Not saying that d'Arnaud/Syndergaard will both be studs, but I'm sure a lot of people would have preferred to trade for a Price or Latos (yeah I know) rather than Dickey.

 

It's all in terms of value, a lot of people advocated trading Bautista for Profar when the latter looked like a surefire stud, and here we are. Prospects are highly volatile.

 

You're suggesting we deal Hoffman for 1/2 a year of Cueto (say a 4.6 WAR pitcher). We dealt 2 good prospects for a full season of Dickey at $5M coming off a 4.9 WAR season. And with Dickey - we had a much better chance of extending him (which we did). That's the comparison I'm making.

[burlingtonbandit]

Because we traded two top 50 prospects for an aging knuckleballer who had just put up a career year. Basically the definition of selling high from the Mets and we took the bait. Not saying that d'Arnaud/Syndergaard will both be studs, but I'm sure a lot of people would have preferred to trade for a Price or Latos (yeah I know) rather than Dickey.

 

It's all in terms of value, a lot of people advocated trading Bautista for Profar when the latter looked like a surefire stud, and here we are. Prospects are highly volatile.

 

Dickey has been pretty good though thats what I don't get. His RA9-WAR the last 2 years was 5.3 with him being paid 17 million for that. There's a ton of value in that and that doesn't include the added performance the Dickey effect includes.

[Daniel Labude]

As compared to trading Hoffman for 1/2 a year of Cueto?

 

Are you too stupid to follow the context of the conversation?

 

Take it easy...you don't want to stain your pants again do you

 

Hoffman for Cueto or Hamels is idiotic. We could trade others and should be able to get either. Out of Cueto or Hamels, I'd rather have Cueto.

[Orgfiller]

Take it easy...you don't want to stain your pants again do you

 

Hoffman for Cueto or Hamels is idiotic. We could trade others and should be able to get either. Out of Cueto or Hamels, I'd rather have Cueto.

 

You think teams don't ask for good prospects when they deal their best pitchers? There's a very low probablity that if we acquire either of them that Hoffman isn't part of the package going back. I also think you're delusional in thinking that it would be a one-for-one. Easily Hoffman + if not ++

[Daniel Labude]

You think teams don't ask for good prospects when they deal their best pitchers? There's a very low probablity that if we acquire either of them that Hoffman isn't part of the package going back. I also think you're delusional in thinking that it would be a one-for-one. Easily Hoffman + if not ++

 

When did I say any of that.

 

For Cueto: Castro, Pentecost, Nay,

For Hamels: Castro, Sanchez, DJ Davis, +

 

How do you think teams like Boston, Dodgers, Cardinals are going to keep their best prospects and still get one of these pitcher, because it probably will happen. You give up a little more but keep the untouchable prospects.

 

Didn't we trade Halladay and not get the Phillies top prospect......

[RealAccountant]

Didn't we trade Halladay and not get the Phillies top prospect......

 

I distinctly recall Kieth Law interviewing on the radio after that ALL 3 of the prospects the Jays got were blue chippers. In fact they were 3 of the Phillies top 5 prospects which is a great haul

 

Just didn't work out, thats all.

 

Edit: You said prospect, my bad.

[Jimcanuck]

Have to LOL at some of this stuff

 

If Castro was in Lansing or Dunedin right now where he belongs, and dominating as expected, he would be ranked higher than Hoffman, even with the nice extended spring reports Hoffman is getting.

 

Yet because Castro struggling in MLB, where he shouldnt be in the first place, he's one of three going to the Phillies for Hamels.

 

LOL

 

ps. can a mod please sticky the board's BJ prospect ranking

[Dylan]

Have to LOL at some of this stuff

 

If Castro was in Lansing or Dunedin right now where he belongs, and dominating as expected, he would be ranked higher than Hoffman, even with the nice extended spring reports Hoffman is getting.

 

Yet because Castro struggling in MLB, where he shouldnt be in the first place, he's one of three going to the Phillies for Hamels.

 

LOL

 

ps. can a mod please sticky the board's BJ prospect ranking

 

lmao this is true

[Brownie19]

Have to LOL at some of this stuff

 

If Castro was in Lansing or Dunedin right now where he belongs, and dominating as expected, he would be ranked higher than Hoffman, even with the nice extended spring reports Hoffman is getting.

 

Yet because Castro struggling in MLB, where he shouldnt be in the first place, he's one of three going to the Phillies for Hamels.

 

LOL

 

ps. can a mod please sticky the board's BJ prospect ranking

 

I'd still have Hoffman ranked above Castro.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd still have Hoffman ranked above Castro.

 

Yes it would be close

[HERPDERP]

Brewers selling

 

[GD]

Brewers selling

 

 

Lohse/Garza pls

[Praxis]

Brewers selling

 

 

I'll give them Marco Estrada for Adam Lind.

 

Meanwhile DeSclafani hits a sac fly and the Reds lead 3-0 over Atlanta after 3. DeSclafani's ERA after 3⅓ games? 0.93.

 

Addendum: That got busted up quickly - 3-2 with the Atlanta pitcher hitting a double!

[GD]

You're confusing tenses here. "Figure to be" is guessing (educated or otherwise) ... as to the future. "Has not panned out" is reflective of past and present. That's not semantics - that's pointing out that you're suggesting something already hasn't worked out, based on things that haven't actually happened yet. There is much value in certainty and current contribution as compared to possible uncertain future contributions.

 

Thanks Moog, always appreciate a nice grammar lesson. Glad to have you back.

[jaysfan2014]

Blake Swihart time? Ryan Hanigan suffered a hand injury in the Yankees/Red Sox game:

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2015/05/01/ryan-hanigan-leaves-game-after-being-hit-on-hand/

[HERPDERP]

lol Arod f***s over Red Sox fans

[jaysfan2014]

lol Arod f***s over Red Sox fans

 

And now the fight over his bonus money begins, as that was #660 for him.

[HERPDERP]

And now the fight over his bonus money begins, as that was #660 for him.

 

I think that milestone is worth $6 million.

[jaysfan2014]

I think that milestone is worth $6 million.

 

Which the Yankees will do everything not to pay. We'll see what happens. Anyway, the Yanks are poised to beat the Red Sox.. up 3-2 in the 8th.