Strasburg reportedly available; make hypothetical offers within

[Boxcar]

Even Stroman alone for Strasburg doesn't make sense considering years of control.

 

Didn't say I'd do it. This is the same FO that gave up d'Arnaud and Syndergaard for Dickey, some people are seriously underestimating what Washington would demand.

[LunchBox]

Why should he? There were 12 pitchers that were better than him last year. Over the last three years (2012-2014) he ranks as the 14th best pitcher in the game.

 

Strasburg is an ace, but he isn't some inhuman world-beater. You could make two full rotations of pitchers better than him before you pick up Strasburg.

 

That's a bit of an oversimplification. Hypothetically if every pitcher in baseball was available via FA this offseason, the list of guys worth Strasburg money is a lot shorter. Off the top of my head: Kershaw, Sale, Harvey, Fernandez, Bumgarner, Hernandez?

 

Edit: There's probably a handfull of pitchers that in reality are not immediately approaching FA, that in that particular hypothetical would also have to be listed; however, the point stands that there probably aren't 12 pitchers worth more in FA than Stras.

Edited January 19, 2015 by LunchBox

[KingKat]

that's all I would give up to be honest.

 

I think that plus a lower level but good prospect is pretty realistic. The problem with it is the timing. It's pretty late in the off season to try to replace Pompey.

[AdamGreenwood]

Steamer thinks they are only 0.5 WAR apart this season, with Stras being 3 years older and 4 less years of control left.

 

And that doesn't even take into account salary differentia, which will probably be about $10 million difference in the next two years.

[TwistedLogic]

That's a bit of an oversimplification. Hypothetically if every pitcher in baseball was available via FA this offseason, the list of guys worth Strasburg money is a lot shorter. Off the top of my head: Kershaw, Sale, Harvey, Fernandez, Bumgarner, Hernandez?

 

That doesn't exactly make sense to me. What is "Strasburg money"? What he should make, or what he will make? Because that's where my argument is in the first place. He is going to make a lot more than he should.

 

You're saying that if every pitcher hit the open market today, and you could get guys like Kluber, Quintana, Zimmermann, Price and Darvish all cheaper than "Strasburg money", you would still rather overpay Strasburg? We're talking about talent and what that talent is worth. If the premise here is that Strasburg will make a f*** ton, and there's several guys out there that are probably better than him and probably wouldn't make as much, then you proved my point.

[Nox]

Trading Stroman++ for Strasburg would be so awful.

[TwistedLogic]

I think that plus a lower level but good prospect is pretty realistic. The problem with it is the timing. It's pretty late in the off season to try to replace Pompey.

 

It's realistic in terms of value, but it's not realistic in terms of what the Nationals would ask for. I could easily see them saying no to Hutch/Pompey/Osuna. The same way if we were the ones trading away Strasburg, most of the people here would frown at that trade in disgust, despite the "realistic" value trade-off.

 

I'm not sure I'd make that trade if I was either team.

[LunchBox]

That doesn't exactly make sense to me. What is "Strasburg money"? What he should make, or what he will make? Because that's where my argument is in the first place. He is going to make a lot more than he should.

 

You're saying that if every pitcher hit the open market today, and you could get guys like Kluber, Quintana, Zimmermann, Price and Darvish all cheaper than "Strasburg money", you would still rather overpay Strasburg? We're talking about talent and what that talent is worth. If the premise here is that Strasburg will make a f*** ton, and there's several guys out there that are probably better than him and probably wouldn't make as much, then you proved my point.

 

I instantly regretted that hypothetical and in retrospect I may have misinterpreted "You could make two full rotations of pitchers better than him before you pick up Strasburg" as "you could build two rotations via FA before signing Strasburg".

 

Essentially what I objected to was equating the fact that 13 pitchers outperformed him between 2012-2014 to the notion that there are 13 pitchers more valuable than him available via FA.

[saskjayfan]

Trading Stroman++ for Strasburg would be so awful.

 

I would structure a deal around Hutch, but I'm not sure the Nationals would be interested. I guess it depends on the ++. I don't really want to see Pompey included in any trade proposals with our lack of options in centre.

[RealAccountant]

Edwin + Sanchez

[Zaun of the Dead]

Edwin + Sanchez

 

lol for real?

[GD]

Edwin + Sanchez

 

lol

[RealAccountant]

Yeah I would

 

Who's on 1st in Washington? Stratsburg still has two years left

[Hipfan]

Yeah I would

 

Who's on 1st in Washington? Stratsburg still has two years left

 

Zimmerman is switching to 1st, IIRC, due to shoulder issues. I'd offer up Sanchez, Pentecost, and any other prospect not named Norris/Pompey (in a 3/4 for one swap). But I wonder if it would be better just to wait one year and try and land the other Zimmerman (Jordan) as a FA. Hopefully by then we will have a President who won't enforce ridiculous 5 year contract length rules and we can be contenders for top end FA talent.

[GD]

C Ramos

1B Zimmerman

2B Espinosa?

3B Rendon

SS Desmond

LF Harper

CF Span

RF Werth

 

Sigh that's so stacked, especially when they trade Zimmerman for one of the Cubs' infield prospects (Arismendy Nats 2B 2k15?)

[GD]

Escobar 2B dumb dumb

 

Inb4 traded because chemistry

[RealAccountant]

Why wouldn't the nats keep everybody

[GD]

Why wouldn't the nats keep everybody

 

money + playing time

[intentional wok]

Only issue with their lineup is that Werth is actually going to start the season on the DL because of some-such (I forget what). He'll be missing significant time too, IIRC.

[Daniel Labude]

Strasburg won't take half of what you all think to get.

[intentional wok]

Strasburg won't take half of what you all think to get.

 

Probably not, all things considered. I have a sinking feeling he will be a member of the Red Sox by this time next month, though. They certainly have the assets and inclination to nab him.

 

OTOH, if they've already balked at Hamels...

[Dr. Dinger]

Only issue with their lineup is that Werth is actually going to start the season on the DL because of some-such (I forget what). He'll be missing significant time too, IIRC.

 

Latest report is the surgery went very well and he could be ready for opening day. At most he'll probably miss a month.

[RealAccountant]

Only issue with their lineup is that Werth is actually going to start the season on the DL because of some-such (I forget what). He'll be missing significant time too, IIRC.

 

Werth is great but he is no Jason frasor

[intentional wok]

Latest report is the surgery went very well and he could be ready for opening day. At most he'll probably miss a month.

 

Oh, okay.

 

Well I guess the Nats are sitting pretty, then.

[TwistedLogic]

Stroman, Sanchez, Norris, and Pompey for Harper and a reliever.

 

That's also dumb and doesn't make sense. What is your rotation at that point? Hutch, Dickey, Buehrle, Estrada and Hendriks? Lol

[Jimcanuck]

Bautista and Osuna for Strasburg and Desmond

[TwistedLogic]

So Jeff Sullivan did a write-up about Strasburg's trade value on FanGraphs today (here), and while I don't really care about the article or the topic itself, I just wanted to mention how crazy an article like that would have been had it been written about Josh Donaldson, if his trade availability had been made public before he was moved. If Strasburg is worth all that with two years of control, coming off 7.6 wins over the past two years, projected for 7-8 more wins over the next two, it's kind of feasible to say that Donaldson would have been worth nearly twice as much, no?

 

Man, the Jays made a good f***ing move.

[Orgfiller]

Why should he? There were 12 pitchers that were better than him last year. Over the last three years (2012-2014) he ranks as the 14th best pitcher in the game.

 

Strasburg is an ace, but he isn't some inhuman world-beater. You could make two full rotations of pitchers better than him before you pick up Strasburg.

 

He probably has the best arsenal in all of baseball (for a starter), and it's not like he walks the ballpark every other day. He really is as good as they say. The injury concern is very real but that applies to every pitcher.

[Orgfiller]

C Ramos

1B Zimmerman

2B Espinosa?

3B Rendon

SS Desmond

LF Harper

CF Span

RF Werth

 

Sigh that's so stacked, especially when they trade Zimmerman for one of the Cubs' infield prospects (Arismendy Nats 2B 2k15?)

Gross, git something better please.

[GD]

Gross, git something better please.

 

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