2015 Arbitration Deadline

[TwistedLogic]

So it looks like the Jays are either set to go to arbitration for the first time since 1997, or they're looking at a Donaldson extension of at least 5 years. I actually think an extension is not a bad idea, because I fully expect Donaldson to make a good 50M in his cycle through arb, barring any catastrophic injury or sudden decline.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Alex sees this situation in the same way he saw Bautista's in 2011; guy coming off tremendous short term success, unable to settle on an arbitration number, ultimately signs a mutually beneficial extension that supersedes all his arbitration years and dips into some free agent years.

 

Of course the differences here are that an extension is inevitably trickier when you're looking at four arb years, and there's also the matter of the player not having spent any actual time with the team or in the city yet.

[Jimcanuck]

So it looks like the Jays are either set to go to arbitration for the first time since 1997, or they're looking at a Donaldson extension of at least 5 years. I actually think an extension is not a bad idea, because I fully expect Donaldson to make a good 50M in his cycle through arb, barring any catastrophic injury or sudden decline.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Alex sees this situation in the same way he saw Bautista's in 2011; guy coming off tremendous short term success, unable to settle on an arbitration number, ultimately signs a mutually beneficial extension that supersedes all his arbitration years and dips into some free agent years.

 

Of course the differences here are that an extension is inevitably trickier when you're looking at four arb years, and there's also the matter of the player not having spent any actual time with the team or in the city yet.

 

Comparison to Bautista (another late bloomer) is a good one. He is one of the most valuable players in MLB with that contract. Donaldson could follow a similar performance trajectory. Hey, Bautista was a 3rd sacker too!

 

Let's say someone like Matt Dean catches fire and is MLB ready sometime in 2016.... a performing Donaldson with a good contract would fetch a significant return.

 

I expect there have been negotiations on a longer term deal since the trade and arb figures exchanged mean nothing to either party. No hard feelings.

[Brownie19]

Price got 19.xx so yeah Porcello seems steep, he's a mediocre pitcher who overachieved last year, and people think he's good because he came in when he was 19. I'd rather have Happ and his contract for a year.

 

Lay off the crack sir. Porcello's been basically a 3 WAR pitcher for 4 years now (which is about 30-35th best in baseball annually). He's a very solid pitcher and light years ahead of Happ. He's also young with room for improvement. I'd he was on the Jays you wouldn't have the same opinion.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Lay off the crack sir. Porcello's been basically a 3 WAR pitcher for 4 years now (which is about 30-35th best in baseball annually). He's a very solid pitcher and light years ahead of Happ. He's also young with room for improvement. I'd he was on the Jays you wouldn't have the same opinion.

 

I meant at the price but it depends on the team. For Boston clearly you take Porcello, for Tampa or a team with a crappy infield maybe you take Happ at less than half the contract.

[TwistedLogic]

I meant at the price but it depends on the team. For Boston clearly you take Porcello, for Tampa or a team with a crappy infield maybe you take Happ at less than half the contract.

 

I don't know, I don't think you take Happ over Porcello unless it's virtually impossible for you to afford Porcello. I'd much rather have him at 12.5 over Happ at 6.7.

[Brownie19]

Porcello is 25th in the majors total WAR overall the past 4 years. Happ would have to be paying you before you'd take him over Porcello

[TheHurl]

Ya, that can't be good. Talk about pissing off your star player. WTF is wrong with that FO, fking adiots.

 

This kind of reaction is why many teams like to avoid arbitration. I don't believe the players take it personally but media and fans play it up. If Donaldson struggles at all, I bet there will be fans and media blaming the arb case.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Porcello is 25th in the majors total WAR overall the past 4 years. Happ would have to be paying you before you'd take him over Porcello

 

I am not a big Happ fan, I thought he was making a little less than that. Why do you keep referencing WAR? I know what his WAR is I don't care, I am just not a Porcello fan he just seems like a guy who is good but could fall off of a cliff. Time will tell how his career goes.

[Boxcar]

I am not a big Happ fan, I thought he was making a little less than that. Why do you keep referencing WAR? I know what his WAR is I don't care, I am just not a Porcello fan he just seems like a guy who is good but could fall off of a cliff. Time will tell how his career goes.

 

Because it's an objective, all encompassing measure of value?

[reedjohnsonfan]

Because it's an objective, all encompassing measure of value?

 

There's no substance in referencing it multiple times if that's going to be your only argument. Why even have a message board if every discussion starts and ends with someone going to fangraphs and looking at WAR and calling it a day?

 

Referencing stats that everyone knows already is a complete waste of time.

[Brownie19]

There's no substance in referencing it multiple times if that's going to be your only argument. Why even have a message board if every discussion starts and ends with someone going to fangraphs and looking at WAR and calling it a day?

 

Referencing stats that everyone knows already is a complete waste of time.

 

I agree it's not the only way to judge a talent, but he's so far ahead of Happ there's really nothing else to debate.

 

Btw, you haven't really explained why you don't like him or why you like Happ more. Repeating you just do doesn't really make for a riveting message board debate either.

[TwistedLogic]

I am not a big Happ fan, I thought he was making a little less than that. Why do you keep referencing WAR? I know what his WAR is I don't care, I am just not a Porcello fan he just seems like a guy who is good but could fall off of a cliff. Time will tell how his career goes.

 

lol he seems like a guy who could fall off a cliff? After four straight consistently good seasons, he's going to fall off a cliff at age 26?

[BTS]

Porcello is about the last guy I'd expect to 'fall off a cliff'. Zero history of arm/elbow problems, and thrives by hitting his spots and getting groundballs.

[reedjohnsonfan]

lol he seems like a guy who could fall off a cliff? After four straight consistently good seasons, he's going to fall off a cliff at age 26?

 

He doesn't strikeout a lot of guys, I wonder how badly his K rate is going to decline after a couple more seasons. Also IIRC Detroit is one of the slowest infields in baseball, how much was that helping him? I'm just not a fan of guys who get by hitting their spots at such a young age.

 

Plus, it's not that uncommon for a player to be pretty good for a few seasons in their 20s and then suck.

[TheHurl]

RJF thinks any baseball player can fall off a cliff at any time, so he doesn't like them.

 

Nope...just the the ones that newly became Red Sox.

[BTS]

He doesn't strikeout a lot of guys, I wonder how badly his K rate is going to decline after a couple more seasons. Also IIRC Detroit is one of the slowest infields in baseball, how much was that helping him? I'm just not a fan of guys who get by hitting their spots at such a young age.

 

Plus, it's not that uncommon for a player to be pretty good for a few seasons in their 20s and then suck.

 

You're asking how much the Detroit infield has helped Porcello?

[TheHurl]

He doesn't strikeout a lot of guys, I wonder how badly his K rate is going to decline after a couple more seasons. Also IIRC Detroit is one of the slowest infields in baseball, how much was that helping him? I'm just not a fan of guys who get by hitting their spots at such a young age.

 

Plus, it's not that uncommon for a player to be pretty good for a few seasons in their 20s and then suck.

 

How much has being a groundball pitcher with one of the worst defensive infield's behind him helped over the past 3 years? Nothing about his peripherals indicate that he'll fall off a cliff...right now the biggest warning sign about him is that he's a pitcher. That doesn't mean that you are wrong...but at least point out something in his game that you think will change and why.

[TheHurl]

You're asking how much the Detroit infield has helped Porcello?

 

About as much as getting a fast car helps Dominican prospects.

[Spanky__99]

You're asking how much the Detroit infield has helped Porcello?

 

lol

[Spanky__99]

About as much as getting a fast car helps Dominican prospects.

 

The Devil^^^^

[TwistedLogic]

He doesn't strikeout a lot of guys, I wonder how badly his K rate is going to decline after a couple more seasons. Also IIRC Detroit is one of the slowest infields in baseball, how much was that helping him? I'm just not a fan of guys who get by hitting their spots at such a young age.

 

Plus, it's not that uncommon for a player to be pretty good for a few seasons in their 20s and then suck.

 

What?

[Spanky__99]

What?

 

lol

[Deadpool]

About as much as getting a fast car helps Dominican prospects.

 

I am in love with your recent foray into dark humour. I hope this is a trend on this board (and the world in general)

[Spanky__99]

I am in love with your recent foray into dark humour. I hope this is a trend on this board (and the world in general)

 

Evil Sidekick^^^^

[Deadpool]

Evil Sidekick^^^^

 

I'm willing to take in a ward, like Batman with his Robin... As long as said ward doesn't mind getting his/her fingerprints on a few incriminating objects...

[G-Snarls]

So the Tigers avoided arbitration with Price by signing him to a 1-year 19.75 MM deal. Damn.

 

Holy crap

[KingKat]

Holy crap

 

That certainly won't make the Rays regret the trade.

[flafson]

I am in love with your recent foray into dark humour. I hope this is a trend on this board (and the world in general)

 

Better than the flapping humor, that's for sure.

[TwistedLogic]

Better than the flapping humor, that's for sure.

 

flap flap flap

[JaysFan4Ever]

$19.75 for Price. Damn, wouldn't that be about half of the Rays' payroll? Imagine how much he could make if he comes off another good season.