2015 HOF thread

[Atothe]

Griffey is the Mickey Mantle of his generation. Much like with Mantle, people will always wonder what Griffey could have accomplished with better health and unlike Mantle, Griffey isn't known as someone who abused his body.

 

Except Mickey Mantle is a much better player in context

[Jimcanuck]

Interesting read:

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/feature/video/_/id/8652210/espn-hall-100-ranking-all-greatest-mlb-players

 

No Satchel Paige = Fail

[wamco]

Take away Bonds obvious steroid years (2000-2007) and replace them with regular years and then assume Griffey stayed healthy, just maybe you could compare the two.

 

Yup. And considering Griffey made the all-century team and bonds didn't, that was already done

[wamco]

For all we know, Griffey was juicing his whole career...and just hid it better.

 

Never a whisper about KG, one prosecuted in federal court in relations with steroids. His lab raided. Don't be ridiculous.

 

What season did Arod start exactly? How about palmeiro? McGwire?

[wamco]

You're really f***ing stupid.

 

This is how it works around here?

[baseballsss]

Yup. And considering Griffey made the all-century team and bonds didn't, that was already done

 

Just cause he makes an all century team and bonds doesn't doesn't mean s***.

[baseballsss]

Never a whisper about KG, one prosecuted in federal court in relations with steroids. His lab raided. Don't be ridiculous.

 

What season did Arod start exactly? How about palmeiro? McGwire?

 

Just cause there wasn't a whisper doesn't mean he wasn't doing them. Apparently there's already someone in the HOF that did steriods. Obviously it was a long time ago or he was good at hiding it.

[Spanky99]

guessing you didn't see his numbers in the games they lost

 

Wat???

 

Bwahahaha......

[LongTimeReader]

This is how it works around here?

 

One person being a dick doesn't represent the entire board

[jb22]

One person being a dick when it was completely warranted doesn't represent the entire board

 

fixed

[LongTimeReader]

fixed

 

Ya. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, they just need to accept the consequences of that... esp on bluejaysmessageboard.com

Edited January 9, 2015 by LongTimeReader

[Boxcar]

No. Read it again.

 

Ruth had almost twice as many triples as Bonds in less AB. Only means that Ruth was no slouch, speed wise. Of course Bonds >>> Ruth speed. However, before Ruth bloated in the latter half of his career, he was quite the athlete. An ace pitcher and home run king.

 

Having more triples then Bonds has more to do with the cavernous parks of Ruth's day, which incidentally depressed his home run totals. If Ruth played in parks of today's (Bonds era) size, he would have many many more HR.

 

Also, Ruth did play in exhibitions against Negro League teams and hit .400 in those games.

 

You realize Bonds much of his career in a terrible park for LH power.

[Boxcar]

Funny how no one regularly hits 50 home runs anymore. If you are confident that anyone in the late 90s/early 2000s was completely clean, you're a delusional moron.

[Hipfan]

Funny how no one regularly hits 50 home runs anymore. If you are confident that anyone in the late 90s/early 2000s was completely clean, you're a delusional moron.

 

Define "clean"...if it means no steroids then clearly many were clean, but if you include greenies then you could say no era has been clean from at least the 60's.

[TheHurl]

Define "clean"...if it means no steroids then clearly many were clean, but if you include greenies then you could say no era has been clean from at least the 60's.

 

Steroids were prevalent in the 60's too.

[KingKat]

Steroids were prevalent in the 60's too.

 

In baseball?

[Jimcanuck]

In baseball?

 

My high school football teammates (15/16 yrs old some of them) were taking steroids in the early 80's. Would not surprise me if professional athletes, including in baseball, have been taking performance enhancing drugs of some type for 100 years.

[GD]

My high school football teammates (15/16 yrs old some of them) were taking steroids in the early 80's. Would not surprise me if professional athletes, including in baseball, have been taking performance enhancing drugs of some type for 100 years.

 

wtf

[Spanky99]

My high school football teammates (15/16 yrs old some of them) were taking steroids in the early 80's. Would not surprise me if professional athletes, including in baseball, have been taking performance enhancing drugs of some type for 100 years.

 

They have been, it goes back as far as the 1890's

[Jimcanuck]

wtf

 

why you surprised? drugs and high school go hand in hand

[GD]

why you surprised? drugs and high school go hand in hand

 

None of my teammates take steroids, lol

[Jimcanuck]

None of my teammates take steroids, lol

 

Public school is different

 

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/steroids-used-by-waterloo-region-high-school-athletes-1.1519018

[GD]

Public school is different

 

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/steroids-used-by-waterloo-region-high-school-athletes-1.1519018

 

I go to public school

[TBJ12]

My high school football teammates (15/16 yrs old some of them) were taking steroids in the early 80's. Would not surprise me if professional athletes, including in baseball, have been taking performance enhancing drugs of some type for 100 years.

 

I have a hard time believing too many 15/16 year olds were taking roids. I remember a few seniors taking roids but not kids in grades 9 or 10.

[TheHurl]

In baseball?

 

Tom House gets quickly swept under the rug as a guy looking to make a buck. I think he predicted 25 to 30% were taking in one interview. He stops short of saying Hank Aaron but has always insinuated it

 

 

 

Former major league pitcher Tom House used steroids during his career and said performance-enhancing drugs were widespread in baseball in the 1960s and 1970s, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Tuesday.

 

House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves' bullpen, said he and several teammates used amphetamines, and that he tried human growth hormone and "whatever steroid" he could find in order to keep up with the competition.

 

"I pretty much popped everything cold turkey," House said. "We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses. That was the '60s, when nobody knew. The good thing is, we know now. There's a lot more research and understanding."

 

House, a former pitching coach with the Texas Rangers and co-founder of the National Pitching Association near San Diego, is one of the first players to describe steroid use as far back as the 1960s.

 

He was drafted in 1967 by the Braves and pitched eight seasons for Atlanta, Boston and Seattle, finishing his career with a 29-23 record and 3.79 ERA.

 

"We didn't get beat, we got out-milligrammed," House, 58, said. "And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them."

 

House said he gained almost 30 pounds while using steroids, blaming the extra weight for contributing to knee problems. He said the drugs helped improve recovery time and conditioning but did not add velocity to his fastball.

 

"I tried everything known to man to improve my fastball, and it still didn't go faster than 82 miles per hour," House said. "I was a failed experiment."

 

House said he stopped using steroids after learning about the long-term harm they could cause.

 

"I'd like to say we were smart, but we didn't know what was going on," he said. "We were at the tail end of a generation that wasn't afraid to ingest anything. As research showed up, guys stopped."

[Jimcanuck]

I have a hard time believing too many 15/16 year olds were taking roids. I remember a few seniors taking roids but not kids in grades 9 or 10.

 

There were not many. If there are 17/18 years old taking steroids, some of that will filter down to the younger kids. How did you think kids as young as 12 get hooked on crack?

[Spanky99]

None of my teammates take steroids, lol

 

Kids are more educated on roids, both my football and rugby teammates, did, just a few though, I told them to suck farts, when I was asked.

[TheHurl]

There were not many. If there are 17/18 years old taking steroids, some of that will filter down to the younger kids. How did you think kids as young as 12 get hooked on crack?

 

And this is how the govt. got everyone to ignore Iraq. WAR ON DRUGS, STEROIDS ARE BAD! Are steroids addictive? Do the effects of steroids linger after taking them (Answer to this is not in men)? Where do steroids rank on the drug scale?

[John_Havok]

Nope, just a cheater and ineligible for the HOF. A choice the players were well aware of when they took the PED's. This was off set by promise of guaranteed contracts

 

Why are cheaters in other eras allowed in but not cheaters from the current one?

[TBJ12]

There were not many. If there are 17/18 years old taking steroids, some of that will filter down to the younger kids. How did you think kids as young as 12 get hooked on crack?

 

I don't know any 12 year old crack heads either. Sounds like you grew up in Detroit.