Blue Jays seeking replacement for Beeston

[LongTimeReader]

Your welcome, ya pussy. Hide all you like, it's f***ing lame.

 

Nobody is hiding spanktastic

[Stangstag]

Hey guys, Orioles fan here! Personally, I think DD should be allowed to go. I'm a teacher, and this really seems like if I wanted to go to a rival school to be a department chairman. It should just be allowed. What I do think that sucks is the timing. I mean, for all we know this could have been talked about since the end of the World Series, I guess it's all just speculation.

 

I just think it should be done. There's no sense in having someone unhappy doing the a job. The only thing I don't like is how close to the season we are and this situation is going on. He's a good GM and it does feel sucky that he would be leaving. I've suffered a lot as an O's fan. I was so young the last time they were relevant, so I enjoyed the recent success.

 

Thanks for the rational post. I agree with you, the timing of this is terrible for you guys and its not right that DD has been sitting with his thumb up his ass throughout this whole offseason.

 

On our side, I just want a new president. Beeston is terrible. Anybody else would be an improvement. Obviously DD is smarter than alot of other guys out there and it would be nice to have him as president, but I don't see our front office giving up anything close to Hoffman/Sanchez/Norris etc. It just wouldn't make sense for us.

 

If Angelos is demanding a talent like one of those guys and won't budge, then I don't think we will get DD. We would just look elsewhere.

[Spanky99]

Nobody is hiding spanktastic

 

K..............

[Sammy225]

K..............

 

Are you kids f***ing done! Worse then my 6year old nephew.

[Spanky99]

Nobody is hiding spanktastic

 

What's your original handle, on the old forum? Mine's Spanky99, yours pussy?

[GD]

Hey guys, Orioles fan here! Personally, I think DD should be allowed to go. I'm a teacher, and this really seems like if I wanted to go to a rival school to be a department chairman. It should just be allowed. What I do think that sucks is the timing. I mean, for all we know this could have been talked about since the end of the World Series, I guess it's all just speculation.

 

I just think it should be done. There's no sense in having someone unhappy doing the a job. The only thing I don't like is how close to the season we are and this situation is going on. He's a good GM and it does feel sucky that he would be leaving. I've suffered a lot as an O's fan. I was so young the last time they were relevant, so I enjoyed the recent success.

 

Welcome! I do agree that he should be allowed to go, but I don't think giving up a top prospect is worth it.

[Spanky99]

Are you kids f***ing done! Worse then my 6year old nephew.

 

Sammy...blow me.

[Sammy225]

Sammy...blow me.

 

Didn't bring my tweezers today..... Sorry

[Spanky99]

F U lol

[BTS]

If there is mutual interest between Duquette and the The Jays, he'll be hired for minimal compensation. That's just how these things work. Angelos knows he can't deny Duquette an opportunity to advance his career, because if he does it becomes a very toxic environment in Baltimore's front office. People throwing out names like Stroman and Sanchez are out of touch. If that's the demand, Duquette won't be coming. And if he wants to come and that's the demand, he'll be gone from Baltimore within the year.

[Spanky99]

What's your original handle, on the old forum? Mine's Spanky99, yours pussy?

 

*crickets*

 

Hide bitch.

[Spanky99]

Alternate ego FTW

[Spanky99]

If there is mutual interest between Duquette and the The Jays, he'll be hired for minimal compensation. That's just how these things work. Angelos knows he can't deny Duquette an opportunity to advance his career, because if he does it becomes a very toxic environment in Baltimore's front office. People throwing out names like Stroman and Sanchez are out of touch. If that's the demand, Duquette won't be coming. And if he wants to come and that's the demand, he'll be gone from Baltimore within the year.

 

No doubt.

[Baltbballfan]

Thanks for the rational post. I agree with you, the timing of this is terrible for you guys and its not right that DD has been sitting with his thumb up his ass throughout this whole offseason.

 

On our side, I just want a new president. Beeston is terrible. Anybody else would be an improvement. Obviously DD is smarter than alot of other guys out there and it would be nice to have him as president, but I don't see our front office giving up anything close to Hoffman/Sanchez/Norris etc. It just wouldn't make sense for us.

 

If Angelos is demanding a talent like one of those guys and won't budge, then I don't think we will get DD. We would just look elsewhere.

 

To be honest, I don't think DD would maliciously sit on his hands this off season. It doesn't really seem to be his character. And waiting for a "deal" or project seems to be what he does best. Nelson Cruz basically fell in our laps late last year. Pearce was another project player. Although he did sign Jimenez...not a very good signing so far.

 

Angelos is a horrible owner, but he's a pretty good guy. He cares about this city. So I'm assuming he's being defensive about this situation. I mean, it probably wouldn't sit well with fans if he "gave" DD away. I think he's posturing. I seriously doubt any value will traded over. I would have valued more time to find a GM then trying to get a player out of the deal. Which will probably end up being a career minor leaguer.

[Orioles]

If there is mutual interest between Duquette and the The Jays, he'll be hired for minimal compensation. That's just how these things work. Angelos knows he can't deny Duquette an opportunity to advance his career, because if he does it becomes a very toxic environment in Baltimore's front office. People throwing out names like Stroman and Sanchez are out of touch. If that's the demand, Duquette won't be coming. And if he wants to come and that's the demand, he'll be gone from Baltimore within the year.

 

Not gonna happen.

[Chappy]

Can you guys give it a rest (Spanky, LongTimeReader)?

[Spanky99]

Not really, I've been poked. Tell him to give up his old forum name, and I'll know why?

[IBleedOrange]

If there is mutual interest between Duquette and the The Jays, he'll be hired for minimal compensation. That's just how these things work. Angelos knows he can't deny Duquette an opportunity to advance his career, because if he does it becomes a very toxic environment in Baltimore's front office. People throwing out names like Stroman and Sanchez are out of touch. If that's the demand, Duquette won't be coming. And if he wants to come and that's the demand, he'll be gone from Baltimore within the year.

 

If there is one thing you can say about Peter Angelos, is that he is as stubborn as it comes. From back when the Nationals first came to Washington, to the current MASN lawsuit, he never gives an inch and if he doesn't get exactly what he wants, then he's not gonna agree to it. So he won't just give in and accept some throwaway player. Its going to end up being a top prospect like a Norris/Sanchez, or he's not letting Duquette go. Thats just who he is.

[Pulk_Pull]

Not gonna happen.

 

Thanks Angelos.

 

Although, I think BTS and I have it right. Angelos' hard-ass ways are not greater than how the MLB and career advancement work. Compensation is often provided in these cases as a 'thank you', not as an actual bargaining chip.

 

If I was an Oriole fan, I'd be more worried about the O's cock-blocking DD and pissing him off than actual comp. Jays fans have been through a similar situation with Farrell. As soon as it was known he preferred the Red Sox job, he couldn't leave fast enough (Although there were some Jays fans who thought the comp for him would be more than it was...).

 

If the Jays give up anything of consequence, it will be a massive fail on their part as they have the leverage (assuming Dan wants the job and the Jays want him).

[IBleedOrange]

Then it is not happening. No one is stupid enough to give up anything of real value for an executive.

 

I think thats his ultimate goal by asking for such high demands. He has no intention of giving him up unless he is able to fleece the Jays in the process.

[Stangstag]

If there is mutual interest between Duquette and the The Jays, he'll be hired for minimal compensation. That's just how these things work. Angelos knows he can't deny Duquette an opportunity to advance his career, because if he does it becomes a very toxic environment in Baltimore's front office. People throwing out names like Stroman and Sanchez are out of touch. If that's the demand, Duquette won't be coming. And if he wants to come and that's the demand, he'll be gone from Baltimore within the year.

 

End thread.

[King]

All these Orioles fans coming out lol

[Pulk_Pull]

If there is one thing you can say about Peter Angelos, is that he is as stubborn as it comes. From back when the Nationals first came to Washington, to the current MASN lawsuit, he never gives an inch and if he doesn't get exactly what he wants, then he's not gonna agree to it. So he won't just give in and accept some throwaway player. Its going to end up being a top prospect like a Norris/Sanchez, or he's not letting Duquette go. Thats just who he is.

 

He gets what he wants, eh... how about that 2016 All-Star game?

[IBleedOrange]

He gets what he wants, eh... how about that 2016 All-Star game?

 

Well, anything within his power. Its not his fault that the MLB Commish office threw a hissy fit and decided to punish the Orioles for defending themselves in the MASN lawsuit.

[TheHurl]

The Red Sox asked for Garza, Brett Jackson, Starlin Castro among others for compensation for Theo. They got the other Chris Carpenter. Truth is that they know if it goes to any form of arbitration it's going to be low comp as that precedent has been set (back in 1994 for Andy MacPhail). Angelos can remain stubborn but if there any sort of tail off in Baltimore's success this year he'll have to hear the media and fans say "DD isn't trying to improve this team", or "DD just wants out".

 

Does anyone believe that DD would do that (no it's Baltimore's lack of talent that will hinder their success this year) but the scenario I put forward is reality (we saw it in Toronto with Farrell). The O's are much better off to take some form of an asset and part ways. Of course Angelos is not your typical logical owner.

[IBleedOrange]

From a Buster Olney insider article:

 

Let's say Jays ownership agreed to give up Hoffman and Urena. A package like that would add tens of millions of dollars in player value to the Orioles' organization, something that Angelos should seriously consider.

 

If the Jays' ownership says no, well, then the Orioles can move ahead with the status quo. It never hurts to ask.

 

And it's possible Toronto's ownership, looking for the future leader of the Jays' organization who can do for the team what Epstein is doing for the Cubs, will be prepared to pay a steep price, yet a fair price, given the value of good baseball operations leadership these days, in a sport flush with money.

 

I think Hoffman and Urena would be fair compensation. If the Jays don't want to pay it, both sides can just move on. We have no need to trade him, he's signed here for a long time and is doing a very good job.

[Pulk_Pull]

I think Hoffman and Urena would be fair compensation. If the Jays don't want to pay it, both sides can just move on. We have no need to trade him, he's signed here for a long time and is doing a very good job.

 

Execs aren't players, my Oriole friend.

[King]

I think Hoffman and Urena would be fair compensation.

 

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[BTS]

If there is one thing you can say about Peter Angelos, is that he is as stubborn as it comes. From back when the Nationals first came to Washington, to the current MASN lawsuit, he never gives an inch and if he doesn't get exactly what he wants, then he's not gonna agree to it. So he won't just give in and accept some throwaway player. Its going to end up being a top prospect like a Norris/Sanchez, or he's not letting Duquette go. Thats just who he is.

 

Then it won't happen. But I don't think he's foolish enough to create that toxic an environment.

[L54]

From a Buster Olney insider article:

 

 

 

I think Hoffman and Urena would be fair compensation. If the Jays don't want to pay it, both sides can just move on. We have no need to trade him, he's signed here for a long time and is doing a very good job.

 

What you guys are failing to understand is it will happen regardless of whether you feel it needs to or not. If Angelos doesn't budge, a third party will make it happen. It's basic business practice.

 

I'd like to hear all these clown's responses to being denied the opportunity to advance their careers.

Edited January 16, 2015 by L54