AA on Tim&Sid

[labadee]

Bob Ryan of the Boston globe on PTS saying that Boston's acquisition of Ramirez and Sandoval trumps Toronto's. Says Donaldson is one year from a career year and before that he wasnt that good...

[labadee]

Bob Ryan now saying you can compare Sandoval to Donaldson one on one. Says WAR is an opinion based on numbers...

[z3r0s]

lol, was just saying in the other thread how out of touch he has seemed this OS, especially relating to the Sox pickups.

[JFD]

Yeah AA doesn't have to do anything Navarro asks for, he is under contract. Mom sure he will try to accommodate him if a deal that helps this team presents himself, otherwise Navarro can suck it up. He would get plenty of AB's anyways, although I'd prefer a better offensive player for DH.

 

probably not a good Idea to bring Navarro back after he requested a trade. having a sulking player can cause problems in the club house.

[ScientificReason]

Bob Ryan of the Boston globe on PTS saying that Boston's acquisition of Ramirez and Sandoval trumps Toronto's. Says Donaldson is one year from a career year and before that he wasnt that good...

 

Boston globe...... Lol

[burlingtonbandit]

Add to that bullpen help including a closer and an upgrade to the starting rotation and we're a long, long way from contending.

 

Funny I pointed this out already and was outvoted 5-36.....

 

I thought that quote was a good thing. This team is really good at a number of positions and can still improve at a few positions by adding average players. No need to upgrade the rotation. For all those clamoring for an "ace" I just saw a tweet that Steamer has Stroman projected at the 12th best SP in all of baseball.

 

Also listening to Bob Ryan right now and all I can say is wow what a moron. Thinks that Nelson Cruz signing was good and thinks Sandoval is better than Donaldson...

[burlingtonbandit]

Bob Ryan now saying you can compare Sandoval to Donaldson one on one. Says WAR is an opinion based on numbers...

 

That makes zero sense... Numbers aren't opinions, they are facts.

[Deadpool]

That makes zero sense... Numbers aren't opinions, they are facts.

 

"Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true. Facts schmacts."

- Homer Simpson, the greatest philosopher of our age.

[LongTimeReader]

That makes zero sense... Numbers aren't opinions, they are facts.

 

There is an arbitrary factor to WAR; in that not everything can be measured and some things that can be measured are not a perfect measurement, maybe that's what he meant.

[Smokey]

No need to upgrade the rotation. For all those clamoring for an "ace" I just saw a tweet that Steamer has Stroman projected at the 12th best SP in all of baseball.

 

Stroman is the only starter with any upside and he's far from proven. Who are you going to rely on in October? A 23 year old rookie and a 40 year old fancy-boy who can't pitch in bad weather??

[Olerud363]

Bob Ryan now saying you can compare Sandoval to Donaldson one on one. Says WAR is an opinion based on numbers...

 

I was talkin to the old skool boys like Cito and the Beest and they said it's all about Homerzzz and the ribizzzz. We looked it up.

Josh Donaldson 29 homerrrzzz 98 rbizzzz

 

Pablo Sandovol 16 andz 73.

 

Then I talked to some of the eggheads and they said Donaldson has major WARZZZZ. Like almost as many as Mike Trouts.

 

Then I talked to the weight watchers people. And they said Donaldson didn't come over for a consultation but the Panda-bear did. He is a fat man.

 

3/3 of all different types of expertzzz agree Donaldson is better.

 

Who is this Bob Ryan anyway?? Doesn't he talk to the experts.

[burlingtonbandit]

Stroman is the only starter with any upside and he's far from proven. Who are you going to rely on in October? A 23 year old rookie and a 40 year old fancy-boy who can't pitch in bad weather??

 

Hutchison, Sanchez, Norris? Stroman is also not a rookie anymore and yes there is risk with relying on 2 young starters but there is risk in pitching in general. You could sign Scherzer and have his arm blow out next season and be stuck with that contract...

 

KC got to game 7 in the WS with a rotation that looks worse than the Blue Jays this year. Give me an upgrade of LF and 2B over another starter.

[Frenchsoup]

Stroman is the only starter with any upside and he's far from proven. Who are you going to rely on in October? A 23 year old rookie and a 40 year old fancy-boy who can't pitch in bad weather??

 

I trust Stroman a lot, but I do think they should grab a guy like Liriano to be the number 2-3.

[saskjayfan]

That makes zero sense... Numbers aren't opinions, they are facts.

 

There are a lot of arbitrary numbers associated with WAR that are not based on mathematical proofs. WAR definitely is not an exact science or without error. That said, Donaldson hits just as well as pablo, runs better and plays better defense.....the eye test works just as good as advanced statistics.

[GD]

There are a lot of arbitrary numbers associated with WAR that are not based on mathematical proofs.

 

Like what, specifically?

 

Not saying there aren't, but you could at the very least expand on that.

[jaysblue]

Bob Ryan is awful.

[reedjohnsonfan]

on pts now

[burlingtonbandit]

Like what, specifically?

 

Not saying there aren't, but you could at the very least expand on that.

 

I think how much value is defence compared to offence is one.

[Smokey]

Hutchison, Sanchez, Norris?

 

No.

 

You could sign Scherzer and have his arm blow out next season and be stuck with that contract...

 

No one is realistically suggesting Scherzer. Lester is the only FA that I'd feel comfortable giving a $100M contract to and that's not even realistic. As I've suggested earlier, a midseason acquisition is definitely a feasible option.

 

Give me an upgrade of LF and 2B over another starter.

 

Why do you feel the need to put limitations on things? Travis is expected to be the long term 2B and a utility gap filler (someone a bit better than Izzy) is all that's really needed and LF is probably the easiest position to fill. Why do those simple needs have to prevent you from acquiring a starter down the line??

[burlingtonbandit]

FFS Bob asks the exact same question Tim asks 5 hours earlier on the same station.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Doesn't sound like he wants to trade any starters or even Estrada/Hendricks.

[bill]

My prediction is that Donaldson underachieves next year while Lawrie bounces back and has a great year. In fact I wouldn't be suprised if those last two years by Donaladson were the best of his career. This seems to be the way when Toronto signs big players they come to Toronto and underachieve.

[burlingtonbandit]

No.

 

 

 

No one is realistically suggesting Scherzer. Lester is the only FA that I'd feel comfortable giving a $100M contract to and that's not even realistic. As I've suggested earlier, a midseason acquisition is definitely a feasible option.

 

 

 

Why do you feel the need to put limitations on things? Travis is expected to be the long term 2B and a utility gap filler (someone a bit better than Izzy) is all that's really needed and LF is probably the easiest position to fill. Why do those simple needs have to prevent you from acquiring a starter down the line??

 

If you don't think Hutch, Norris or Sanchez have upside then I don't know what to say...

 

So your saying you want a starter (currently have a very good rotation and depth) because it isn't a proven rotation yet are advocating going into the season with a guy at 2B who hasn't played above AA?

[o2cui2i]

It's pretty scary that we still have this many "holes" or "undefined" positions after making a couple blockbuster signings/trades.

 

neither trade filled holes, they were just upgrades and getting Martin is probably the biggest step forward since AA traded away the horrendous Wells contract. Our pitching just got a lot better.

 

I just hope the front office isn't going to do this half way. We need to Fill in some holes.

 

Our offense looks pretty good. We have a lot of guys who are high OBP hitters and a s*** load of pop. If we can add a LF who can hit... sweet!

[burlingtonbandit]

Sounds like Sancehz will be a reliever going into the season.

[labadee]

My prediction is that Donaldson underachieves next year while Lawrie bounces back and has a great year. In fact I wouldn't be suprised if those last two years by Donaladson were the best of his career. This seems to be the way when Toronto signs big players they come to Toronto and underachieve.

 

Hello Bob Ryan

[burlingtonbandit]

Wow AA says he wouldn't be surprised if Castro is in the major league bullpen at the end of the season.

[saskjayfan]

Wow AA says he wouldn't be surprised if Castro is in the major league bullpen at the end of the season.

 

yeah that surprised me....the bullpen is going to be the young guys.

[JFD]

My prediction is that Donaldson underachieves next year while Lawrie bounces back and has a great year. In fact I wouldn't be suprised if those last two years by Donaladson were the best of his career. This seems to be the way when Toronto signs big players they come to Toronto and underachieve.

 

why would you think that? I would love to hear you try and explain your logic behind this.

[King]

Wow AA says he wouldn't be surprised if Castro is in the major league bullpen at the end of the season.

 

This isn't new.