Blue Jays Interested In Victor Martinez and anyone who breathes.

[Olerud363]

"Need" and "WAR/WINS" in some cases, they go together. We need Wins, and for that you must upgrade some areas.

 

Point 1A: Reduce the PA of the below replacement level players.

 

Normal Team - assume there is some reasonable floor (like 1 WAR) to all positions and start improving Roster with that assumption.

 

Jays - Assume Ryan Goins will play 155 games and structure offseason to prevent that. Even if we have to trade everything for Brandon Phillips it is so much better than Ryan Goins that it will be worth it just to help everybody's mental health.

[Olerud363]

I understand what you're saying, but my point is what's more achievable in practice.

 

It's easy to upgrade 2B, because 2B for the Jays is crap. Mike Trout isn't coming here unless significant holes were created elsewhere. I know you meant it as just an example, but it isn't an achievable scenario.

 

Out of the scenarios that are achievable given the circumstances, 2B is much important to upgrade over anything else.

 

I guess I'm just concerned about the DH spot. It seems to me that Dirks+Francisco or something could be a negative as well.

[Standards]

Nope, I predict they move Buehrle. The more you think about it, there's not a lot of scenarios where they will compete next year given the budget implications. AA will have to get very creative.

 

Doesn't help that we have a 7.75m tied up in Ricky Romero. But Buerhle's a safe prediction especially with the emergence of Stroman and Sanchez. I would like V-Mart however, if we can fit a few of our needs with his same payroll I would be more inclined to do that.

[Dick_Pole]

I guess I'm just concerned about the DH spot. It seems to me that Dirks+Francisco or something could be a negative as well.

 

I'm fully on board with the idea that you rotate the DH with your various aging and oft-injured vets. Getting 2 infielders and 1 OF (either Melky or someone else) allows for such a rotation.

[GNick49]

You lose a pick with Melky too though. You lose the pick that someone would give you if they signed him and playing Melky on turf isn't necessarily more desirable.

 

Quite a difference between Melky and Martinez. Melky is 30, still in prime has 4-5 good years left, everyday player. Martinez is 36 and strictly a bat. Can't play him everyday on turf. In a couple of years he will be done or near done...while that first round pick should be top part of farm system.

[Chappy]

Quite a difference between Melky and Martinez. Melky is 30, still in prime has 4-5 good years left, everyday player. Martinez is 36 and strictly a bat. Can't play him everyday on turf. In a couple of years he will be done or near done...while that first round pick should be top part of farm system.

 

Melky should be a DH at this point, he is not a good defender at all. By 36 he will need a wheel chair if he is still in LF.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Chappy

[Angrioter]

Quite a difference between Melky and Martinez. Melky is 30, still in prime has 4-5 good years left, everyday player. Martinez is 36 and strictly a bat. Can't play him everyday on turf. In a couple of years he will be done or near done...while that first round pick should be top part of farm system.

 

Conoces a Big Papi Ortiz?

[Deadpool]

Quite a difference between Melky and Martinez. Melky is 30, still in prime has 4-5 good years left, everyday player. Martinez is 36 and strictly a bat. Can't play him everyday on turf. In a couple of years he will be done or near done...while that first round pick should be top part of farm system.

 

I honestly don't believe that's the case. You're not looking at someone with gaudy Bautistaesque numbers to begin with, so a much smaller decline will be much more noticeable with Melky. I'd be uncomfortable giving him more than a 3 year deal, as I think Melky at age 34 is not going to be a valuable player anymore (and I could see the decline starting as early as next season...)

[Angrioter]

 

Back to the reality!!

[KingKat]

Two years ago, we were praying for a miracle that some value could be salvaged from the Melky contract. Now that the miracle has actually happened, let's count our blessings and just move on.

 

If we assume both players are essentially DHs (and really anything else is a risky assumption to make), V-Mart is better than Melky. He's older sure but he's a more productive hitter and he's a hell of a lot more consistent too. That being said, I'm not really advocating signing either. I just don't think the assumption that Melky will be more productive and useful than V-Mart because he's younger to be a valid one. It would be one thing if Mekly actually played like he was younger, if he had mobility and athleticism but he doesn't and there's no point in pretending like he does.

Edited November 12, 2014 by KingKat

[Chappy]

Back to the reality!!

 

Seems about right.

[Jimcanuck]

We already have Reyes, Bats, and EE. Don't need more expensive offensive players like Melky or VMart, just solid 1-2 WAR players who are not liabilities in the field.

 

But I guess the marketing aspect is important too. Are the Jays leaking info on the FA's they are talking to, to gauge fan reaction and potential for ticket sales?

[wardhenke1]

 

Back to the reality!!

 

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[jaysblue]

I think we all knew V-Mart wasn't coming here lol. I doubt he produces the same type of numbers he did this season moving forward.

[guylaroche5]

I think we all knew V-Mart wasn't coming here lol. I doubt he produces the same type of numbers he did this season moving forward.

 

68 mil for an aging DH that can't play the field in any capacity, yeah i'm glad we passed on this

[jayswin11]

68 mil for an aging DH that can't play the field in any capacity, yeah i'm glad we passed on this

 

Agreed. Especially when I think our best bet is to DH Reyes and get someone who can play SS.

[RealAccountant]

What Martinez got, makes things worse for the Jays. OVerpriced Market

[Inklink]

Crazy nutso.

[Angrioter]

 

lol +20M RP

Edited November 13, 2014 by Angrioter

[GD]

 

ftfy ang

[glory]

Gaining financial flexibility only to blow it on a closer definitely reeks of Toronto baseball post-1993, and Miller is someone who will go with the highest bid.

 

This definitely scares me a bit.

[BTS]

It's only a matter of time until a Grilli/Miller/Robertson/Romo is a Blue Jay.

[Angrioter]

It's only a matter of time until a Grilli/Miller/Robertson/Romo is a Blue Jay.

 

Miller 4/26M and Grilli 1/6.5M lol

We're screwed!!

[jayswin11]

 

lol +20M RP

 

BJ Ryan 2.0

[Nox]

It's only a matter of time until Grilli & Miller & Robertson & Romo are Blue Jays and they traded Bautista's salary for pennies on the dollar to make it happen.

 

ftfy

[Angrioter]

It's only a matter of time until Grilli & Miller & Robertson & Romo are Blue Jays and they traded Bautista's salary for pennies on the dollar to make it happen.

 

AA "Kansas was the league champs thanks to his bullpen"

[Nox]

AA "Kansas was the league champs thanks to his bullpen"

 

AA - "Fransisco Cordero? Never heard of him. Oh wait, he runs that Ecuadorian joint down the street doesn't he? Yea, that's right. I LOVE his hornado."

[Jim_Ackers_balls]

Why would any free agent worth a damn want to go to the Jays? Short of an overpay, they're not getting anyone except through trade.

 

Give your heads a shake.

[GNick49]

VMart did Jays a favour not signing here

[KingKat]

VMart did Jays a favour not signing here

 

I doubt the Jays even made a competitive offer.